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[Busomjack]

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What is it it about the Onlive that makes it's users such smug, ostentatious, prophets of our technolgical future?
Yeah, lets ignore all market trends about how consumers prefer actual tangibility in their products and make way for this new cabal of 14 year old internet geniuses who have had onlive for a total of 2 weeks.  They clearly know everything about consumer demands.
You know it seems that with every generation there is this group of people who will claim that just because something is new and different that it is automatically the future.  The people who are talking about Onlive like it's going to kill off consoles are the same people who talked about how Virtual Reality was going to change everything, and listened to New Wave in the 1980's.
I keep on hearing from everybody who is bragging about this stupid product about how revolutionary and "ahead of it's time" it is.  You know what else was ahead of it's time?  LASERDISCS!  The OnLive will fail because it's trying to change something that almost nobody wants to see changed in the first place.  I have games on my shelf that are nearly 20 years old that I can still go back to and relive, the last thing gamers want is to have their collection of games at the mercy of some crappy, laggy, barely functioning service that can only run games at mid-quality level to begin with. 
The games on Onlive are mediocre quality at best and considering the Onlive requires an internet connection, logic would dictate most of it's users already have a computer.  Being that Onlive can only run games with the same quality of a low to mid range computer I don't see a very wide market of appeal for this product.  Most people do not have computers which are that crappy and even those who do would prefer a tangible product.  Hell, you can't even save the games on Onlive to your hard drive so if the service ever goes down or gets interrupted say goodbye to your entire library of games!
If people want to play all their games through a crappy streaming service thats their business but don't tell me that Onlive marks the death of console gaming.  Even with digital purchases factored in the majority of games purchased are still physical copies.
The Onlive is the future, it's the future fad of the past we'll all look back at and laugh upon thinking about how at one time some people actually thought it represented the future of gaming.

Modifié par Busomjack, 06 décembre 2010 - 08:53 .

[marbatico]

did i mis something? wth is onlive?

[Stanley Woo]

Sensationalist hyperbole really doesn't get your point across better than well-reasoned arguments, and aren't you doing the same thing as the people you're arguing against, by proselytizing against OnLive and insisting it's going to fail?



If it truly is as bad as you think it is, it will fail on its own, don't you think? No amount of "14-year-old geniuses" will save a product if it really is that bad. Usually, however, people hope something will fail because they don't agree with it, or don't want to believe in it. they don't want it to succeed without their endorsement, don't want to feel like they're missing out on something. So let's please tone down the metaphors and hyperbole, and maybe we can discuss the actual meat of your dislike for the product.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Let them buy into it so when it fails we can point and laugh.

[DenisN]

I haven't really seen anything special about Onlive, from what I've seen and read it's basically xbox live arcade/wii-ware/playstation converted into a subscription form instead of a direct purchase form. A lot of people thought netflix was an insane concept doomed to failure. 10+ years later it's going very strong. I don't really think you can judge a product or service and it's future potential when it's in it's infancy.



I also can't understand why you seem so deeply offended by it, since you can simply not pay for it or touch it.

[Busomjack]

My issue with Onlive are the numerous claims from it's users that it marks the end of the era of consoles, a claim that has been made many times and one that has never held true.  I remember when 3dFX released their Voodoo graphic cards in the 90's PC gamers claimed it would bring an end to the console era too(Next Generation magazine was especially guilty of this).  I think that is the real hyperbole, suggesting that people who are perfectly satisfied with a gaming template are going to abandon it in droves for something which nobody was really asking for in the first place.
I can see why the Onlive might be appealing to some people, particularly people with terrible computers who are better off just streaming their games in the first place but there is no reason why Onlive is going to kill consoles when most gamers already have superior means to play the games which the service offers and when the majority of products purchased are still physical copies.
If gamers prefer physical copies over digital copies, why would they suddenly prefer streaming a game? 

Modifié par Busomjack, 07 décembre 2010 - 12:14 .

[AshedMan]

Busomjack wrote...

If gamers prefer physical copies over digital copies, why would they suddenly prefer streaming a game? 

Because the gaming market in general is shifting gears towards digital products.  

[Bryy_Miller]

I'm interested in seeing how OnLive progresses in a few months, when it has matured.

[slimgrin]

I don't think it will fly.

[Busomjack]

AshedMan wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

If gamers prefer physical copies over digital copies, why would they suddenly prefer streaming a game? 

Because the gaming market in general is shifting gears towards digital products.  

Even still, there is a big difference between a digital copy of a game from a source like Steam and a product which is streamed.  The success of digital distribution services like Steam does not promise Onlive's success, it is not the same thing.
Yet ask the people who use Onlive and they'll declare that the age of consoles has come to an end.  I remember PC gamers who talked about how Voxel technology was going to kill consoles since the ram advantage of computers would make it impossible for consoles to catch up.  Of course they completely ignored the fact that only about ONE game used voxels.
It seems we have to deal with this "consoles are going to die" every 2-3 years when some gimmicky fad gets released.

Modifié par Busomjack, 07 décembre 2010 - 11:32 .

[AshedMan]

I do not know anyone using Onlive and I've never heard anyone exclaim it's going to kill consoles. All I've heard is you making sweeping generalizations that Onlive users all feel it's going to kill consoles.

[Bryy_Miller]

The fanbase of *insert platform* always feels like it's going to kill the other one. This is like a law of nature.

[MerinTB]

Onlive sounds like it'll work about as well as Pay Per View and On Demand. It'll fill a niche, maybe, but it's not the "future." It's just another option.



I do think that a virtual library that people pull from instead of keeping actual copies of everything is probably in the cards at some point (like a public library without having to go to the building) but many things have to change before we get there. Like universal computer usage (we are not there yet), at least fiber optic speed networking being the majority of connections, and probably things we can't imagine at the moment.

[Busomjack]

AshedMan wrote...

I do not know anyone using Onlive and I've never heard anyone exclaim it's going to kill consoles. All I've heard is you making sweeping generalizations that Onlive users all feel it's going to kill consoles.

There was a discussion in the Mass Effect 2 forums last week where a poster created a thread about Onlive bragging about owning it(pretty sad) and talking about how consoles were soon going to become obsolete.  Unfortunately it was locked before I could voice my opinion in it so I decided I would create a seperate thread challenging all Onlive worshippers on their BS.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Isn't OnLive the bastard-child of that strange "Phantom" console they were hyping up for years that went nowhere. I expect the same fate.

[Khayness]

It's understandable that you don't like the taste of your own medicine, but OnLive is very recent, so just lets wait and see how it fares.

I think it has potential.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Host of twilight-kind console games?

[Lachy27]

I think the concept is a few years to early, but as binary said the idea will most likely be implented into the next playstation or xbox. With the brand name of those proven products behind it and the ability to still use physical copies, it could really work.

[slimgrin]

Or people can just buy a pc.

[Darkshore]

I think it's a worthwhile solution for gamers on a budget.