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[Harid]

IAmTheExplorer wrote...

What worries me is how the only way to get Signature Edition is by preordering months before the release, it feels like a way to bait users into buying a game of which we've seen nothing, in case it's slammed by the reviews.

Wait and see, I guess, but the info has been scarce and generally ill-received by DA:O players. That can't be a good omen.

Cancel your preorder?

I have no idea how this is a concern to anyone.  I don't know any company that doesn't at the very least give you store credit when you cancel a preorder.

[ladydesire]

RedVisionaire wrote...


The changes from Baldur's Gate to Baldur's Gate 2 were at least as large as the changes (that we know of) between Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2. You do have a point, in that I imagine it is much easier to add and expand on a sprite based game. However, BG2 expanded dramatically on BG; DA2 is going to be shorter than DA:O.

Maybe it's going to be shorter, but how many games that don't have multiplayer are even twenty or thirty hours long? Not too many, if I'm not mistaken. I think part of the perception is that because Bioware put so much content into DAO, they have to put the same amount into DA2 for it to be as good; I don't think that has to be the case, and I'm not really all that enthused about getting DA2 based on many of the changes they have told us about.

[TJPags]

IAmTheExplorer wrote...

What worries me is how the only way to get Signature Edition is by preordering months before the release, it feels like a way to bait users into buying a game of which we've seen nothing, in case it's slammed by the reviews.

Wait and see, I guess, but the info has been scarce and generally ill-received by DA:O players. That can't be a good omen.

^^ this.

I want to like this game, I really do.  I want to preorder the SE, and I want the free DLC.  But I want to know what I'm getting, and so far, I don't.  It's troubling to me, very troubling.

[Big Blue Car]

Maria Caliban wrote...

BG was Advanced DnD, yo. Not that 3.x crap.

Nice to see you lighten up a bit. I stand corrected.

[Maconbar]

IAmTheExplorer wrote...

What worries me is how the only way to get Signature Edition is by preordering months before the release, it feels like a way to bait users into buying a game of which we've seen nothing, in case it's slammed by the reviews.

Wait and see, I guess, but the info has been scarce and generally ill-received by DA:O players. That can't be a good omen.

Cancelling your order is pretty easy.

I am not sure that you can accurately assert that the info has been generally ill-received by DA:O players.

[Bryy_Miller]

Beaner28 wrote...
I liken you guys to right wing teabaggers that support the government no matter what and believe everything they are told because they think it is patriotic. i.e. It's BioWare, it's not going to suck. Therefore, anyone that questions BioWare is an annoying hatemonger.

I don't support BW no matter what. I support them in decisions I think are good. But that doesn't really matter. You're mistaking constructive criticism for making wild speculation about a product that is not even out. You're saying things are fact that are based on a number of possible outcomes. This is why people are responding to you in the way that they are, not because you simply are expressing your concerns. Saying that BW has locked gameplay footage in the Disney vault... how is that constructive or even productive criticism?

[lv12medic]

I don't think it is rushed. I'm guessing DA2's development time frame is going to be sitting between 18-22 months (from initial concept formation on), which doesn't really say anything about the game one way or the other. It actually sounds like a reasonable amount of time, and is probably on par for a any game being made with an existing engine (more time is obviously required to build an engine and game from scratch). Changes and modifications to an engine are not the same than a brand new engine.

However, I would like to see game play footage, not to judge whether the game is awesome or pile of junk (or anything in between) but to see whats mostly been just talked about (ie: changes made and more fluid combat). I doubt we'll see anything like the Ostagar walk-through from DA:O, because I believe that was done to show a completely show off and introduce brand new IP than anything else. That really isn't the norm in terms of game marketing.

Modifié par lv12medic, 07 décembre 2010 - 01:16 .

[Ziggeh]

Beaner28 wrote...
I liken you guys to right wing teabaggers that support the government no matter what and believe everything they are told because they think it is patriotic.

Who? Who is doing this? People constantly make reference to this team of blindly optomistic zealots and while I've not been here all that long, I can't name one.

People constantly point out the lack of evidence, that assumptions aren't the same thing as reality and that people probably shouldn't be looking at things in isolation, but writing "being reasonable" off as fanboyish is nothing but feckless ad hominem.

[Dave of Canada]

Harid wrote...

that Bioware hasn't learned anything from it's past ad campaigns.

Though it seems to have worked relatively well, even with the leaked footage from ME2 and such and catch phrases like "Dark Second Act" and "Bone-Crushing, Visceral Combat" pissed people on the forums off equally as much as these catch phrases but those opinions have faded away with time.

[Eclipse_9990]

Well we don't even really know if this game is rushed or anything. I mean we have yet to see even a peace of real gameplay. I think its a tad soon to be assuming the game is rushed ya know?

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 07 décembre 2010 - 01:16 .

[upsettingshorts]

Beaner28 wrote...

Childish? Maybe. But it is comical to see the same people constantly come to BioWare's defense when there's nothing wrong with questioning the reasons why  we know so little about DA 2 compred to the gobs of info we knew about Origins at this point before its release.

Just as there's nothing wrong with questioning doesn't mean there is inherently something wrong with challenging those questions. 

I don't consider people who are critical haters - I've even gone to great, even absurd lengths - to try to define people more fairly and objectively than terms like haters, trolls, fanboys, and suckups.  I just get riled up over bad arguments.  Maybe you don't believe me, and that's fine.  But if you want to see me criticize the hell out of Bioware, look for my posts on the writing for Renegade Shepard when the Mass Effect 3 forums go live.  I'm not kidding.  I'm working on a damn Excel file for that one. 

But it is possible to either be not terribly worried, or even be in support of a controversial change without being some drooling Bioware "fanboy." 

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Who? Who is doing this? People constantly make reference to this team of blindly optomistic zealots and while I've not been here all that long, I can't name one.

Even one of the more infamous users of the "BDF" tag freely admits that very few people genuinely qualify for that label.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 07 décembre 2010 - 01:18 .

[Blacklash93]

Why don't we wait until real, up-to-date footage surfaces before we decide whether or not this is worth rambling on about? It shouldn't be long.

[Beaner28]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...
I liken you guys to right wing teabaggers that support the government no matter what and believe everything they are told because they think it is patriotic. i.e. It's BioWare, it's not going to suck. Therefore, anyone that questions BioWare is an annoying hatemonger.

I don't support BW no matter what. I support them in decisions I think are good. But that doesn't really matter. You're mistaking constructive criticism for making wild speculation about a product that is not even out. You're saying things are fact that are based on a number of possible outcomes. This is why people are responding to you in the way that they are, not because you simply are expressing your concerns. Saying that BW has locked gameplay footage in the Disney vault... how is that constructive or even productive criticism?

I was trying to inject some humor. You shouldn't look at it beyond that.

[Bryy_Miller]

My point was that you have not said anything productive, just abrasive and rude.

[Maconbar]

Beaner28 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...
I liken you guys to right wing teabaggers that support the government no matter what and believe everything they are told because they think it is patriotic. i.e. It's BioWare, it's not going to suck. Therefore, anyone that questions BioWare is an annoying hatemonger.

I don't support BW no matter what. I support them in decisions I think are good. But that doesn't really matter. You're mistaking constructive criticism for making wild speculation about a product that is not even out. You're saying things are fact that are based on a number of possible outcomes. This is why people are responding to you in the way that they are, not because you simply are expressing your concerns. Saying that BW has locked gameplay footage in the Disney vault... how is that constructive or even productive criticism?

I was trying to inject some humor. You shouldn't look at it beyond that.

Who would ever take that as humor?

[Harid]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Harid wrote...

that Bioware hasn't learned anything from it's past ad campaigns.

Though it seems to have worked relatively well, even with the leaked footage from ME2 and such and catch phrases like "Dark Second Act" and "Bone-Crushing, Visceral Combat" pissed people on the forums off equally as much as these catch phrases but those opinions have faded away with time.

How so?  I mean, Mass Effect 2 sold decently well, but it certainly wasn't off of the back of it's advertisements.  They were universally panned.

Mario games sell well off of the back of Nintendo, not it's horrible ad campaigns.

[Bryy_Miller]

I'm the only one that liked Fight for the Lost, apparently.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 07 décembre 2010 - 01:21 .

[Beaner28]

Maconbar wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...
I liken you guys to right wing teabaggers that support the government no matter what and believe everything they are told because they think it is patriotic. i.e. It's BioWare, it's not going to suck. Therefore, anyone that questions BioWare is an annoying hatemonger.

I don't support BW no matter what. I support them in decisions I think are good. But that doesn't really matter. You're mistaking constructive criticism for making wild speculation about a product that is not even out. You're saying things are fact that are based on a number of possible outcomes. This is why people are responding to you in the way that they are, not because you simply are expressing your concerns. Saying that BW has locked gameplay footage in the Disney vault... how is that constructive or even productive criticism?

I was trying to inject some humor. You shouldn't look at it beyond that.

Who would ever take that as humor?

Opinions vary. Things you find funny might not be humorous to me. Things I find funny might be offensive and distasteful to you. Big deal.

[Bryy_Miller]

So you're saying that it doesn't matter if the person you're trying to converse with knows if you are being rude or not?

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 07 décembre 2010 - 01:22 .

[Big Blue Car]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Why don't we wait until real, up-to-date footage surfaces before we decide whether or not this is worth rambling on about? It shouldn't be long.

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure a few months before release, when they are just worried about playtesting and shipping, there will plenty of info released and we'll have more to go on.

Oh wait that's now and no info is being released. If you can't see how that is an indicative as anything else then damn son.

[Dave of Canada]

Harid wrote...

How so?  I mean, Mass Effect 2 sold decently well, but it certainly wasn't off of the back of it's advertisements.  They were universally panned.

How so? (Since you mentioned ME2...) I remember a lot of praise and cooler-discussion about the "Fight for the Lost" trailers, including the whole Launch Trailer being godly (or something) and they even filmed a show about the making of ME2. They also had a few live discussions with Casey Hudson where we could ask questions, those were taken really well (I'd say about as much as the Gaider interview).

[Morroian]

TJPags wrote...

I want to like this game, I really do.  I want to preorder the SE, and I want the free DLC.  But I want to know what I'm getting, and so far, I don't.  It's troubling to me, very troubling.

So wait until the 11th of January then if nothing has appeared your complaint will be somewhat more legitimate.

Modifié par Morroian, 07 décembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[Big Blue Car]

Harid wrote...

How so?  I mean, Mass Effect 2 sold decently well, but it certainly wasn't off of the back of it's advertisements.  They were universally panned.

What the christ? Compare these with a straight face. I dare you.





God damn I want to play Me2 again now that ad owned bones.

[upsettingshorts]

If I haven't seen gameplay footage - I mean real gameplay footage, with the GUI - by Jan 10, then I'll be worried.

That's my "start getting annoyed" cut-off.

[lv12medic]

Big Blue Car wrote...

Oh wait that's now and no info is being released. If you can't see how that is an indicative as anything else then damn son.

To be fair, they have been releasing information.  Little tid-bits about the world and such, a couple of trailers (of course CGI doesn't count for much except for hype building).  The flow is a bit slow, but it's much better than when DA2 was officially anounced and all we had to go on was we were playing Hawke, become Champion of Kirkwall and the player character was now voiced.  And we sat on that for months.

Also, for consideration, information reveals have to be geared not to just those that played DA:O but also newcomers to the franchise.