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[Big Blue Car]

outlaworacle wrote...

"Yes, we have totally rushed this game. EA made us do it and it is going to suck bad. Sorry guys."

Well, honesty is always the best policy.

Just something. I want to pre-order the game, I do. But I also want them to address my concerns. I've bought every Bioware game within a week of its release for a decade (except shattered steel). My concerns about DA2 are valid no matter what you may say, and so I communicated them. Not sure what else you want.

[Bullets McDeath]

My point was, all you could reasonably expect them to come in here and say is "no, we're not rushing it" and possibly list the same reasons other posters already have: setting is already created, engine is already built, they started working on it further back than most people realize, etc.



All of which, I've noticed, you can probably figure out for yourself. The devs are here, when they want to be, to answer questions, not hold our hands. Which is basically what you are asking for.

[knighteffect]

I share the concern of this game being rushed. DAO was supposed to be supported for two years. That got scrap, and we are getting a sequel a little over a year later. It just seems weird, doesn't it?



I firmly believe DA2 started as DLC or even an expansion pack, but was changed to a full game.

[Bryy_Miller]

That's a completely unrealistic belief, given what we have seen of the updated everything. Love it or hate it, I highly doubt anyone thinks this is spruced up DLC beyond just saying that out of contempt or something.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 07 décembre 2010 - 02:25 .

[Beaner28]

outlaworacle wrote...

What do you honestly expect them to come in here and say?

"Yes, we have totally rushed this game. EA made us do it and it is going to suck bad. Sorry guys."

The better thing to do would be to withhold gameplay footage and remain tight lipped about details until the pre-order deadline has passed. Pacify doomsaying rumors by spouting cheesy marketing slogans and utilize community forums as a tool to tell, nay insist, to everyone that it is, in fact, going to rock.

[slimgrin]

ErichHartmann wrote...

halO bendeR wrote...

I think the fact that this thread has gone on six pages and the developers have not yet commented speaks loudly to the validity of the op's premise.

The developers should be glued to this forum 24/7? LOL

Sometimes I wonder. 

[halO bendeR]

outlaworacle wrote...

My point was, all you could reasonably expect them to come in here and say is "no, we're not rushing it" and possibly list the same reasons other posters already have: setting is already created, engine is already built, they started working on it further back than most people realize, etc.

All of which, I've noticed, you can probably figure out for yourself. The devs are here, when they want to be, to answer questions, not hold our hands. Which is basically what you are asking for.

My whole point was that I don't expect them to comment in a thread like this.

If I missed a post by a developer addressing the single year development cycle, my bad. I come to these forums daily and it's one subject I've never seen the dev team comment on. 

[Bryy_Miller]

Well, they are insisting. Because they are making it. What they don't insist is that we like it.

[Bullets McDeath]

Beaner28 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

What do you honestly expect them to come in here and say?

"Yes, we have totally rushed this game. EA made us do it and it is going to suck bad. Sorry guys."

The better thing to do would be to withhold gameplay footage and remain tight lipped about details until the pre-order deadline has passed. Pacify doomsaying rumors by spouting cheesy marketing slogans and utilize community forums as a tool to tell, nay insist, to everyone that it is, in fact, going to rock.

I C WUT U DID THAR

Not to be overly rude (let's pretend we're on the "rivalry" friendship path), but you have clearly made up your mind on this issue already, so wtf do you care anymore?

[Big Blue Car]

Beaner28 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

What do you honestly expect them to come in here and say?

"Yes, we have totally rushed this game. EA made us do it and it is going to suck bad. Sorry guys."

The better thing to do would be to withhold gameplay footage and remain tight lipped about details until the pre-order deadline has passed. Pacify doomsaying rumors by spouting cheesy marketing slogans and utilize community forums as a tool to tell, nay insist, to everyone that it is, in fact, going to rock.

Think like a general, fight like a spartan!

(but not as spartan as our pre-release info)

[TJPags]

Now we're going to say that the devs not coming in here is somehow proof of something?



Come on, I have doubts and issues with the marketing campaign and lack of concrete information too, but let's be a little realistic, okay?

[Bullets McDeath]

halO bendeR wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

My point was, all you could reasonably expect them to come in here and say is "no, we're not rushing it" and possibly list the same reasons other posters already have: setting is already created, engine is already built, they started working on it further back than most people realize, etc.

All of which, I've noticed, you can probably figure out for yourself. The devs are here, when they want to be, to answer questions, not hold our hands. Which is basically what you are asking for.

My whole point was that I don't expect them to comment in a thread like this.

If I missed a post by a developer addressing the single year development cycle, my bad. I come to these forums daily and it's one subject I've never seen the dev team comment on. 

That was really aimed at Big Blue Car and not you, but I guess I did misunderstand your post as you said that this thread going on for 6 pages without developer response meant the OP was right. I took that to mean you thought the developers SHOULD come in and comment, but I see what you're saying now.

[Ortaya Alevli]

halO bendeR wrote...

My whole point was that I don't expect them to comment in a thread like this.

And you said, "I think the fact that this thread has gone on six pages and the developers have not yet commented speaks loudly to the validity of the op's premise" to get that point across, huh.

Cool story.

[Harid]

Big Blue Car wrote...

halO bendeR wrote...

I think the fact that this thread has gone on six pages and the developers have not yet commented speaks loudly to the validity of the op's premise.

There are time zone issues to be fair.

But yeah, the devs tend to weigh in on issues that genuinely concern the community and the first page of this thread alone confirms this is one, if they still haven't some tomorrow then I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Too busy posting in fangirl squee threads.

Pretty sure they don't even read these anymore.  After the concern thread that was closed a while back, they probably just have the horse blinders on.

I don't think any dev that wants to keep his job is going to post on the corporate website that the corporation made them rush the game.  It is tantamount to career suicide, and I don't think some of you people live in the real world.

Modifié par Harid, 07 décembre 2010 - 02:35 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

halO bendeR wrote...

My whole point was that I don't expect them to comment in a thread like this.

And you said, "I think the fact that this thread has gone on six pages and the developers have not yet commented speaks loudly to the validity of the op's premise" to get that point across, huh.

Cool story.

Assuming he's not just using varying grades of sarcasm, he can still hold that opinion but not mean that the devs SHOULD come post in this thread. I reached the same conclusion when I read it, though.

[Bryy_Miller]

Big Blue Car wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

"Yes, we have totally rushed this game. EA made us do it and it is going to suck bad. Sorry guys."

Well, honesty is always the best policy.

Two points here:
1) Who says that is what is actually going on?
2) No responding is a lot better than what a guy I know did, which was get fed up and tell the forums to **** off.

[Ziggeh]

Harid wrote...

 After the concern thread that was closed a while back, they probably just have the horse blinders on.

I'd contend that theres something of a difference between applying the horse blinders and not responding to every item in a tide of unreasonable bashing.

[Big Blue Car]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

2) No responding is a lot better than what a guy I know did, which was get fed up and tell the forums to **** off.

That sounds amusing, what happened?

[Bullets McDeath]

The entire forum ****ed off. It was INCREDIBLE.

[Ortaya Alevli]

outlaworacle wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

halO bendeR wrote...

My whole point was that I don't expect them to comment in a thread like this.

And you said, "I think the fact that this thread has gone on six pages and the developers have not yet commented speaks loudly to the validity of the op's premise" to get that point across, huh.

Cool story.

Assuming he's not just using varying grades of sarcasm, he can still hold that opinion but not mean that the devs SHOULD come post in this thread. I reached the same conclusion when I read it, though.

Exactly. You reached the same conclusion as well. Because that's what's written there. If the point you intend to convey is that you don't expect devs to comment in such threads, you don't up and write stuff like "it's been six pages but they didn't come and comment yet, this speaks loudly to etc etc."

[Harid]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Harid wrote...

 After the concern thread that was closed a while back, they probably just have the horse blinders on.

I'd contend that theres something of a difference between applying the horse blinders and not responding to every item in a tide of unreasonable bashing.

I would argue that the bashing isn't unreasonable, given how little information has been given to the general public this far along into the dev cycle, devs not answering clear questions, and devs obfuscating the truth.

Generally when this is done, it is to cover up a bad project.  Like Alpha Protocol, for example.

Modifié par Harid, 07 décembre 2010 - 02:46 .

[Leonia]

Harid wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Harid wrote...

 After the concern thread that was closed a while back, they probably just have the horse blinders on.

I'd contend that theres something of a difference between applying the horse blinders and not responding to every item in a tide of unreasonable bashing.

I would argue that the bashing isn't unreasonable, given how little information has been given to the general public this far along into the dev cycle.

Generally when this is done, it is to cover up a bad project.  Like Alpha Protocol, for example.

And what does bashing accomplish? Does it make the devs change course to suit the basher's needs faster? It seems like a waste of energy to me.

[Big Blue Car]

The devs close a thread with objectively the best OP ever posted in these forums



http://social.biowar...1/index/5393254



but won't respond here. That says a lot about the new Bioware, and nothing good.

[halO bendeR]

outlaworacle wrote...

Assuming he's not just using varying grades of sarcasm, he can still hold that opinion but not mean that the devs SHOULD come post in this thread. I reached the same conclusion when I read it, though.

Alright, just to make my point clear once and for all: The developers presumably CHOOSE what threads they comment in, correct? The fact that they CHOOSE NOT to comment on issues pertaining to the development time of DA2 leads me to believe that SOME of the things people have said about development time ring true for them.
I didn't mean to put my lot in with the 'Dragon Age 2 is going to suck' crowd by making the comment I made. Nor was it my intent to call out the developers to post on this thread.

I could be wrong, I've never worked on a video game before. I do hear horror stories however about video game professionals pulling 18 hour days in order to meet some of the high demands that publishers put on them. All I'm saying, is I hope that's not the case here. Bioware when independent was considered one of 'Alberta's top employers'; I'm still hoping that rings true.

Modifié par halO bendeR, 07 décembre 2010 - 02:53 .

[Harid]

leonia42 wrote...

Harid wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Harid wrote...

 After the concern thread that was closed a while back, they probably just have the horse blinders on.

I'd contend that theres something of a difference between applying the horse blinders and not responding to every item in a tide of unreasonable bashing.

I would argue that the bashing isn't unreasonable, given how little information has been given to the general public this far along into the dev cycle.

Generally when this is done, it is to cover up a bad project.  Like Alpha Protocol, for example.

And what does bashing accomplish? Does it make the devs change course to suit the basher's needs faster? It seems like a waste of energy to me.

Does blind reverence do anything better?

It is human nature to complain, and what we have been shown warrants complaint.  Do you go up to your local Fast Food restaurant and thank them for making your food so fast?  Do you go up to your movie theater clerk and tell him "hey, thanks for having floors that aren't sticky!  Thanks for not having bedbug infested chairs!"  No one does this.

But you sure as hell will complain if the sound cuts in your movie or if your fries are soggy.  That's what people do, it's an intrinsic part of being human, as you are doing when you complain about the complainers.

Modifié par Harid, 07 décembre 2010 - 02:52 .