8541 Antworten in diesem Thema

[jlb524]

This is the new (and hopefully much improved) thread for Liara T'Soni. First and foremost, this isn't a 'support' thread, but will serve as a 'discussion' thread for the character. The purpose of this thread is to discuss Liara's character and her roles in ME1, ME2, and LotSB DLC, plus also speculate on her future role in ME3. This thread was not made
to compete with the other threads for post-count. This means:

• DO NOT bump the thread just for the sake up moving it to the top of the forum or to keep the thread on the first page of the forum. If you have nothing insightful to add by posting DO NOT POST. That kind of
  spam is to be discouraged here.
• DO NOT discuss page count/post count. Period.
• DO NOT respond to others posts with meaningless one or two word replies just to keep the post count up. Again, if you have nothing meaningful to say about Liara, DO NOT POST.

Also, there need to be some rules of etiquette set for this thread.

• Please try not to post too many pictures. Also, if you are quoting a picture posted by another, please remove the [*img] tags and replace them with a link, i.e., use [*url] tags. Or, just remove the picture completely when you quote it.
•  Please avoid FemShep vs. MaleShep flame wars. If you want to discuss either of them, take it to the appropriate thread for Shepard. However, simply stating a preference for why you prefer one gender of Shepard for the Liara romance is not bashing or trolling the other gender. Saying that you prefer to romance Liara with a FemShep because
  of Hale's VA or because you prefer the relationship dynamic is perfectly fine.
• On that note, no bashing the default MaleShep. On the other hand, understand that most people prefer to play custom Shepards, and yes, even Female Shepards, for the Liara romance, and their fan made
  content will not include the default Male.
• This is not a chat room. Do not discuss what you are doing for the weekend.
• OT posts are okay if they still apply to Mass Effect in some way.  However, if you find the discussion of this topic is going on for pages and pages, and it not longer involves Liara, continue the discussion in the appropriate thread or create a new one if that thread doesn't exit.
• Do not bash any other Mass Effect character or love interest. Contrary to popular belief, this does not make Liara look any better. Also, there are Liara fans that like the other characters/LIs. This also includes Feron. I see no reason to hate on the guy, and some people do like him. It is okay to state that Liara is your favorite character/LI...just don't put all the others down to prove your point.
• Sexist/racist/homophobic comments will not be tolerated. Please keep words like 'bang' and 'scrog' out of your posts. These words do offend some people, even when used as a 'joke'.
• Link to site rules.

Non 'discussion' things that are acceptable.

• Just posting links to a Liara related fan fic you wrote or one that you like.
• Posting links Liara related videos.
• Posting links/images to fan art. However, do not post NSFW stuff and nothing with any kind of nudity or overtly sexual themes.  Also, if you post fan art that is not your own creation, try to provide a link to the artist's dA account or web page out of courtesy and respect. 
• Pictures are fine, just don't post a picture to bump the thread without adding a discussion point.

Potential discussion points regarding Liara:

• What do you think Liara's role in ME3 will be like?
• Why do you like Liara's character? Do you like her more in ME1, ME2, or both equally? Where do you hope they take her character in terms of development in ME3?
• Discuss details of the Liara's new Shadow Broker role. What are her daily duties? Will she succeed in making the organization 'better'? How often can she realistically leave the ship? What other rooms/functions does a ship that size possess?
• Discuss and speculate on the dynamics of Liara's relationship with Benezia, and her potential future relationship with Aethyta.
• Liara's still an expert on the Protheans and their extinction. Do you think this will aid Shepard again in ME3, or no? Will Liara ever go back to her archaeologist roots after ME3 is said and done with?
• What was Liara's childhood like being the daughter of a powerful Asari Matriarch?

...bow down before the almighty blue!

Bearbeitet von jlb524, 05 Juni 2011 - 08:54 .

[Sunnie]

So, I really believe the Liara has grown more mature as a person. She has experienced very heart warming emotions and personal devastation over the span of the 2.2 years between the day they traveled to Ilos, and the day she found out that Shepard was alive again. Love, death, loss, redemption, and renewal. I don't think any other character in the story could have better endured all that and matured as well as Liara has, including Shepard.

Bearbeitet von Sunnie22, 08 Dezember 2010 - 01:09 .

[Sunnie]

rynluna wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

So, I really believe the Liara has grown more mature as a person. She has experienced very heart warming emotions and personal devastation over the span of the 2.2 years between the day they traveled to Ilos, and the day she found out that Shepard was alive again. Love, death, loss, redemption, and renewal. I don't think any other character in the story could have better endured all that and mature as well as Liara has, including Shepard.

Oh, and don't forget that she has also lost her mother too and in my playthrough was brought along to Noveria which means she witnessed her own mother's death.    She's been through so much, yet she is still so strong.  It's admirable.

Indeed! That would be another personally devistating thing to deal with. Most of us would have had a substantial breakdown after 25% of what Liara has endured.

[LiquidGrape]

On the subject of Liara and Benezia, was anyone else disappointed that there was no consequence to finishing Noveria before recruiting Liara? I mean, Ashley does address the issue, something along the lines of "harsh, learning we killed her mother". But neither Liara nor Shepard makes a point of mentioning it...

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What interests me is the hypothetical role that Liara will play within ME3's story. I do not think it's a coincidence that the head of the most powerful, widespread and influential information in the galaxy also happens to be a Prothean
expert. Furthermore, Liara also states that the previous Shadow Broker believed that the Protheans could provide something that could aid organics in the forthcoming war against the Reapers.

That's a convenient coincidence for sure [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

It seems that the Protheans (of all the previouisly extinct species that we know of) were the closest to unlocking the mystery of the Reapers.  They may not have been close, but may have been the closest out
of all the others.  And, yes, if something the Protheans discovered is the key to stopping the Repears, both Liara (and Shepard with the Cipher) will be vital in unlocking this secret.

Sunnie22 wrote...

Indeed! That would be another personally devistating thing to deal with. Most of us would have had a substantial breakdown after 25% of what Liara has endured.

Yes.  The same can be said of Shepard (given most players' background combinations).  This may perhaps be why Liara and Shepard are such good friends (or lovers) by the end of LotSB.

Bearbeitet von jlb524, 08 Dezember 2010 - 01:21 .

[jlb524]

LiquidGrape wrote...

On the subject of Liara and Benezia, was anyone else disappointed that there was no consequence to finishing Noveria before recruiting Liara? I mean, Ashley does address the issue, something along the lines of "harsh, learning we killed her mother". But neither Liara nor Shepard makes a point of mentioning it...

What kind of consequences do you think there should be?

I think when you talk to Liara about Benezia (in Liara's med bay room), the dialog is slightly different if you have recruited Liara post-Noveria, but it's not a big differences. 

[BossumBuddy]

I found when I played the game, there seemed to be a natural way to decide where to head next. I never went to Noveria without Liara, then again I never went anywhere without Liara. She was always at my side after I rescued her, and will always be there in ME3 if possible.

[LiquidGrape]

jlb524 wrote...

What kind of consequences do you think there should be?

Well, if only Shepard expressed some tangible sense of guilt for it. I do think it would've been interesting if the Liara romance had been allowed two possible directions. One in which you bring Liara to confront her mother, thus bringing her a certain degree of closure, and one in which Shepard must struggle (or not, if you're renegade) with the knowledge that he or she killed the parent of his or her lover.

Bearbeitet von LiquidGrape, 08 Dezember 2010 - 01:36 .

[Jagged Orchid]

LiquidGrape wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What kind of consequences do you think there should be?

Well, if only Shepard expressed some tangible sense of guilt for it. I do think it would've been interesting if the Liara romance had been allowed two possible directions. One in which you bring Liara to confront her mother, thus bringing her a certain degree of closure, and one in which Shepard must struggle (or not, if you're renegade) with the knowledge that he or she killed the parent of his or her lover.

I see where you are going with. Then again, I never felt Liara ever really had a sense of closure in the game. I always felt Benezia's death was glossed over, regardless of when it took place and who accompanied Shepard on the mission. I would have loved to see more dialog between Liara and Shepard regarding Be****a's death.

[jlb524]

@BussomBuddy

In ME1, I usually go Therum > Feros > Virmire > Noveria.  Therum is always first

LiquidGrape wrote...

Well, if only Shepard expressed some tangible sense of guilt for it. I do think it would've been interesting if the Liara romance had been allowed two possible directions. One in which you bring Liara to confront her mother, thus bringing her a certain degree of closure, and one in which Shepard must struggle (or not, if you're renegade) with the knowledge that he or she effectively killed the parent of his or her lover.

So, in the first scenario (where Liara has closure) you believe the romance should then proceed as it already does in game, right?

I agree on the second point.  Shepard (especially if romancing Liara) should have been able to express more grief to Liara over killing Benezia in addition perhaps offering Liara more comfort. 

[ADLegend21]

LiquidGrape wrote...

On the subject of Liara and Benezia, was anyone else disappointed that there was no consequence to finishing Noveria before recruiting Liara? I mean, Ashley does address the issue, something along the lines of "harsh, learning we killed her mother". But neither Liara nor Shepard makes a point of mentioning it...

I kind of had an issue. I mean she gets taken aback by learning that Shepard knows more about the prothean's than she does, but never that Shepard had to kill her mother. Not knowing what saren did to her, she should be at least a little upset.

[LiquidGrape]

jlb524 wrote...


In ME1, I usually go Therum > Feros > Virmire > Noveria.  Therum is always first

When I play reasonable characters, I go Feros > Therum > Virmire > Noveria.
Feros is potentially under attack, Liara may prove to provide leverage, Virmire seems rather...urgent, and lastly Noveria because it brings it all to a nice dramatic climax.

jlb524 wrote...

So, in the first scenario (where Liara has closure) you believe the romance should then proceed as it already does in game, right?

I agree on the second point.  Shepard (especially if romancing Liara) should have been able to express more grief to Liara over killing Benezia in addition perhaps offering Liara more comfort. 

Yeah, that's basically what I meant. The original arc ought to have been there, but only if Liara was present at the time Benezia dies.

And overall, I would've loved to see Shep emote more. But then again, in comparison with ME2, she/he was practically Shakespearean in the original.

ADLegend21 wrote...

I kind of had an issue. I mean she
gets taken aback by learning that Shepard knows more about the
prothean's than she does, but never that Shepard had to kill her mother.
Not knowing what saren did to her, she should be at least a little
upset.

 Indeed.

Bearbeitet von LiquidGrape, 08 Dezember 2010 - 01:48 .

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Bearbeitet von Pacifien, 08 Dezember 2010 - 01:54 .

[Jagged Orchid]

jlb524 wrote...

I agree on the second point.  Shepard (especially if romancing Liara) should have been able to express more grief to Liara over killing Benezia in addition perhaps offering Liara more comfort. 

I agree. I would have loved for Shepard and Liara to be able to talk about that in more detail. Instead, it is almost as if Liara completely brushes Shepard off.

Then again, I remember after Virmire, seeking out Liara for comfort and she had nothing to say to Shepard. I was really hoping for more dialog there as well.

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Bearbeitet von Pacifien, 08 Dezember 2010 - 02:16 .

[jlb524]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Yeah, that's basically what I meant. The original arc ought to have been there, but only if Liara was present at the time Benezia dies.

And overall, I would've loved to see Shep emote more. But then again, in comparison with ME2, she/he was practically Shakespearean in the original.

I think the Mass Effect series in general needs more dialog and dialog variations.  This is one example and:

ADLegend21 wrote...

I kind of had an issue. I mean she
gets taken aback by learning that Shepard knows more about the
prothean's than she does, but never that Shepard had to kill her mother.
Not knowing what saren did to her, she should be at least a little
upset.

This too.  Yeah, Shepard kind of dumps a lot on Liara at once and she acts no different from when she was along for the ride from the beginning. 

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In that respect, the LotSB writing is a huge improvement on the weaknesses of Liara's dialogue in ME1. The sheer amount of variations to the interaction between Shepard and Liara during the cabin scene is astonishing, and it would be quite awesome if all future conversations, romantic or otherwise, were to be as sensitive to the player's story and character progression.

Well, yes, but LotSB was a Liara-centric DLC.  It focused on her character dev and hers alone.  There will be 14 other squad mates to worry about in ME3.

The question is, how will the varying Shepard/Liara dialog options found in LotSB affect Shepard's relationship (friendship or romance) in ME3?  What will happen for those that didn't play/complete LotSB?

[kraidy1117]

I always do Therum > Feros > Novaria > Virmire.



I also bring Liara with me to Novaria and in my main Shepard pt, she was the one who gave the final hit to her mother



I think what Sunnie said is true, Liara has been through a lot, we still don't know everything that happen in those two years, but it shows that Liara has a very strong will, and what ever her reasons where if it was for Shepard, Feron, the galaxy ect it gave her purpose and a strong will to do what she did.

[Sunnie]

To help kick off the new thread, enjoy a tribute video I recently completed that features our beloved Liara and Shepard.
Enjoy!

Spoiler warning!

[pacer90]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In that respect, the LotSB writing is a huge improvement on the weaknesses of Liara's dialogue in ME1. The sheer amount of variations to the interaction between Shepard and Liara during the cabin scene is astonishing, and it would be quite awesome if all future conversations, romantic or otherwise, were to be as sensitive to the player's story and character progression.

Well, yes, but LotSB was a Liara-centric DLC.  It focused on her character dev and hers alone.  There will be 14 other squad mates to worry about in ME3.

The question is, how will the varying Shepard/Liara dialog options found in LotSB affect Shepard's relationship (friendship or romance) in ME3?  What will happen for those that didn't play/complete LotSB?

Makes me wonder what the romance situation will be in ME3, let alone the dialog changes if you didn't do LotSB. Suppose you romanced her in ME1, didn't do LotSB in ME2 do they find another way to reconcile? Or is the only option LotSB?

I suppose it will depend on if LotSB is assumed to have been done by Shepard in ME3 regardless, or if Liara somehow does it on her own if you don't give her the data.