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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I have a question about the mind meld thing.... does it affect Shep as well or just Liara?

They merged minds... so Liara can feel Shep's memories? and if they're mind linked...

did Liara feel Shepard die?

If she chose to look for Shepard's memories of dying, then I assume yes. She felt it as well.

[Cypher0020]

Oh ouch. Damn.



I guess I'm not sure what the mind melding means.... its transferring of memories and can be sexual as well?

[MillaShepard]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I have a question about the mind meld thing.... does it affect Shep as well or just Liara?

They merged minds... so Liara can feel Shep's memories? and if they're mind linked...

did Liara feel Shepard die?

The melding is how Liara consciously attunes her nervous system to Shepards.  Their nervous systems then become one.  I'm not sure if Liara could feel anything from Shepard while not melded, but the asari wiki goes on to explain that melding, briefly allows the Asari and said partner to have one unified nervous system.  So i'm gonna say probably not.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Oh ouch. Damn.

I guess I'm not sure what the mind melding means.... its transferring of memories and can be sexual as well?

So far there seem to be 3 types of mind-melding.

The first is used for tranfering information/memories, this is done by Shiala and Liara in ME1.

The second seems to be used for reproduction/sex/pleasure. Used by Liara in the romance scenes and Morinth (if you are into that sort of thing).

The third seems to be some sort of mind control. Used by Morinth.

[TMA LIVE]

I'm still wondering how the union affects Liara after Shepard's death. She talks about it creating a connection that transcends death, or something like that.

And it's not really transferring memories. Liara says it two identities merging and become one.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:30 .

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It's been a while since I experienced that particular piece of dialogue, but I do believe that Liara mentions that memories are shared between an asari and her partner during the union.

Essentially, the two entities become one.

Well, I think she says "Memories intertwine" or something like that.

[MillaShepard]

I believe what she means is, when Shepard and Liara bonded through the union, memories and genes were transferred from Shep to Liara, which can then be passed on to a future child. However, these memories and "pieces" of Shepard will always be a part of Liara now too even after Shep passes on.

[TMA LIVE]

MillaShepard wrote...

I believe what she means is, when Shepard and Liara bonded through the union, memories and genes were transferred from Shep to Liara, which can then be passed on to a future child. However, these memories and "pieces" of Shepard will always be a part of Liara now too even after Shep passes on.

I kind of hope not, for the sake of the asari. Since they seem to have sex with lots of people as a race, that kind of means a lot of sleavy guys they'll be sharing memories with.

[MillaShepard]

Remember though, Shepard's role in the Union is passive. Liara is the one who must submerge herself in your mind. Once she does this, she can then choose what pieces to keep and which to look over. It's how the Asari take "the best" of the father species to pass on to their kin.

From the Asari Wiki...
An asari's melding ability extends to a mental connection as well, which Liara describes as being the true union between an asari and her partner. It allows the asari to explore her partner's genetic heritage and pass desirable traits on to any offspring. During mating an asari and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feelings. It is also possible for an asari to meld with another for the sole purpose of transferring thoughts, without reproduction.

Modifié par MillaShepard, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:46 .

[Cypher0020]

Really? I didn't know that. It'd explain why Shep didn't feel anythng... since Liara takes the memories and bears the child.....



I wonder what Liara would choose from Shep to put into their child(ren) if possible...

[jlb524]

While the meld is passive from Shepard's POV, I'm sure she still is able to see Liara's memories or feel what Liara feels when their nervous systems are linked. They way I envision it, neither Shepard nor Liara exist as a single entity anymore and something entirely new is created...a new consciousness that contains memories/emotions/sensations from the pair of them but now tangled up into one single experience.

Modifié par jlb524, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:46 .

[Cypher0020]

Wow. That is epic. Really.



The other LI's are good, I guess... but none of them can match up the way Shep and Liara can....



so wouldn't it go beyond love/affection and enter the soulmate realm? Possibly? If you shared all your thoughts/memories and become one with that person....

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

While the meld is passive from Shepard's POV, I'm sure she still is able to see Liara's memories or feel what Liara feels when their nervous systems are linked. They way I envision it, neither Shepard nor Liara exist as a single entity anymore and something entirely new is created...a new consciousness that contains memories/emotions/sensations from the pair of them but now tangled up into one single experience.

Yeah, something like that. Though again, I don't think Liara has "records of data" which she uses till she feelings like it. The child would mostly likely need to be triggered in a certain union. Otherwise, other stuff from past partners would be used as well, which would defeat the prepuse of calling someone a father.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:55 .

[jlb524]

Also, I might add, I don't think this new consciousness created from the two is a simple sum of their own individual consciousnesses. I think it's an entirely unique thing in itself. In our own individual mind, we have certain thoughts or ideas that are connected to others. If we remember one thing, it triggers another memory or triggers a specific emotion (anger, guilt, happiness). If we receive certain stimuli, this triggers a memory or thought. I think these triggers would be gone in the united consciousness, so the Shep/Liara united mind would be looking back over both of their memories in a new light and forming new 'triggers' or 'connections' together. I'm also completely talking out of my ass.



RE: the soulmate thing....for my Shepard, yes....the Union (not necessarily the physical stuff but the simple act of melding) has taken their relationship into what can be described as the 'soulmate' realm. However, this apparently isn't the case with all Shepards (see the Sheps that jumped ship for a new LI).

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Clicky.

Stop it with the blue babies man, I'm all 'd'aaawwwwed' out.

[Shinannigan]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Clicky.

Awwwwwwwwwwwww!!! That's adowwwable!

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Also, I might add, I don't think this new consciousness created from the two is a simple sum of their own individual consciousnesses. I think it's an entirely unique thing in itself. In our own individual mind, we have certain thoughts or ideas that are connected to others. If we remember one thing, it triggers another memory or triggers a specific emotion (anger, guilt, happiness). If we receive certain stimuli, this triggers a memory or thought. I think these triggers would be gone in the united consciousness, so the Shep/Liara united mind would be looking back over both of their memories in a new light and forming new 'triggers' or 'connections' together. I'm also completely talking out of my ass.

RE: the soulmate thing....for my Shepard, yes....the Union (not necessarily the physical stuff but the simple act of melding) has taken their relationship into what can be described as the 'soulmate' realm. However, this apparently isn't the case with all Shepards (see the Sheps that jumped ship for a new LI).

Well, Drew writes is as two minds becoming one, with their identities crash together, splintered, reformed, then tore apart with overwhelming intensity. My guess is, when making a child, it's about putting all that into the womb and making something stick, before the two break apart.

As for the soulmate thing, my Shepards kind of look at it like destiny. It's the reason why they got together so soon, even though they didn't know why. 

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:11 .

[Cypher0020]

Ok..... what Shep would jump ship for a new LI??! That's just WRONG!



and zomg that pic is freakin' adorable! Awwwwwwww!



Also... is that a Blasto t-shirt?!

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, Drew writes is as two minds becoming one, with their identities crash together, splintered, reformed, then tore apart with overwhelming intensity. My guess is, when making a child, it's about putting all that into the womb before the two break apart.

I'm not really talking about making a child...I have no fracking clue how that's supposed to work and it's quite muddled.  

I would imagine that this newly formed single consciousness has to do something intentionally (whatever that may be) to alter one set of the asari's DNA and trigger whatever to happen and MAGIC TIME!  ...a baby is made.

[jlb524]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok..... what Shep would jump ship for a new LI??! That's just WRONG!

Apparently...loads.

Also... is that a Blasto t-shirt?!

Yes, it is...that's why it's completely awesome.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I hope Rachel is prepared to spend time with her blue babies!

Yes...just one planned for now.  We'll see how that goes.

Modifié par jlb524, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:17 .

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Stop it with the blue babies man, I'm all 'd'aaawwwwed' out.

I hope Rachel is prepared to spend time with her blue babies!

I wonder if asari can have twins?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:17 .