I'm more critical of Sheploo's dialogue when he describes Liara, and the fact that he sounds incredibly pervy and lecherous. The player is informed that she is intelligent, but aside from that she's the busty, beautiful and sexy alien chick that is able to have mindsex with Sheploo. That's what I mean when I say that Liara has been objectified.
That skintight labcoat doesn't really help, either!
Liara T'Soni Character Discussion Thread *possible ME3 spoilers*
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#2552
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 02:25
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Yeah, her outfit has been rather ridiculous. I actually (I can hear everyone shouting now) purchased Redemption tonight. I had some extra money from tips and it was on sale, so I thought, 'What the heck?' I mean, I'm fully aware that it was a waste of money, but I do like having the canon story between ME1 and ME2...even if it's poorly drawn.
Anyways, continuing on - shooooot, Liara is totally objectified in Redemption. I'm sure they were trying to show the change in her character, but I wasn't aware that ****-tastic was part of her new attitude.
Anyways, continuing on - shooooot, Liara is totally objectified in Redemption. I'm sure they were trying to show the change in her character, but I wasn't aware that ****-tastic was part of her new attitude.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 02:26
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sl*t-tastic was what I wrote, just so you know. The row of stars makes it seem like I wrote something else, haha. But, yes, her outfit and mannerisms were just...gross.
#2554
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 02:34
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Cypher0020 wrote...
I have this image in my head of Kelly by Shep's door, and Liara answers it wearing one of Shep's old t-shirts or something....
Heh that is cute. I don't know why I didn't think to throw that into my fic somewhere before Shepard died. Have to do it after she comes back.
#2555
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 02:35
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Tancho wrote...
sl*t-tastic was what I wrote, just so you know. The row of stars makes it seem like I wrote something else, haha. But, yes, her outfit and mannerisms were just...gross.
It's a ME thing now. Just look at Miranda.
#2556
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 02:37
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TMA LIVE wrote...
Tancho wrote...
sl*t-tastic was what I wrote, just so you know. The row of stars makes it seem like I wrote something else, haha. But, yes, her outfit and mannerisms were just...gross.
It's a ME thing now. Just look at Miranda.
Just because Cerberus let's their people wh*re around however they want.
#2557
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 02:43
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MillaShepard wrote...
TMA LIVE wrote...
Tancho wrote...
sl*t-tastic was what I wrote, just so you know. The row of stars makes it seem like I wrote something else, haha. But, yes, her outfit and mannerisms were just...gross.
It's a ME thing now. Just look at Miranda.
Just because Cerberus let's their people wh*re around however they want.
Well, if it's Liara choice in how she dresses, I don't mind.
Though I do prefer her in that lovely dress.
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#2559
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 03:48
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jlb524 wrote...
There is a Hale version, I believe.
Anyone know where it is? I went to look for it on the FemShep thread but am now distracted with reading the hilarious captions there.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 04:10
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drwells123 wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
There is a Hale version, I believe.
Anyone know where it is? I went to look for it on the FemShep thread but am now distracted with reading the hilarious captions there.
Well, it hasn't been officially released yet so no one has uploaded it anywhere. Right now, the demo of the comic that has been released is only with DudeShep.
I expect that next week someone will grab the FemShep version and upload it to youtube.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 04:20
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Well, personally I think her LotSB lab coat is one of the best outfits in the game. It looks professional and practical, and yet emphasizes her curves (which are much better and much more natural than Miranda's). Especially the skirt part. Very lady-like I must say. And I love the fact that she doesn't wear heels (neither does my FemShep).
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 04:23
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jlb524 wrote...
Well, it hasn't been officially released yet so no one has uploaded it anywhere. Right now, the demo of the comic that has been released is only with DudeShep.
I expect that next week someone will grab the FemShep version and upload it to youtube.
Thanks!
#2563
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 04:34
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Yikes this comic must be bad. I haven't gotten it to play, but from the reviews... it sounds slapped together....
Liara....daydreaming look? Maybe about Shep, but that's about it.....
Why mess with a good thing? Why mess with Liara like that?
Liara....daydreaming look? Maybe about Shep, but that's about it.....
Why mess with a good thing? Why mess with Liara like that?
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 04:45
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www.youtube.com/watch
This is why my FemShep is the ONLY Shep who gets to romance Liara. Male Shep is a dog!
This is why my FemShep is the ONLY Shep who gets to romance Liara. Male Shep is a dog!
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 06:24
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MillaShepard wrote...
www.youtube.com/watch
This is why my FemShep is the ONLY Shep who gets to romance Liara. Male Shep is a dog!
Hilarious, someone send this to Fox News and watch the fireworks.
It puts me in mind of the Grinch song:
You're a monster, Mr. Grinch...
Your heart's an empty hole...
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul, Mr. Grinnn-hinch!
I wouldn't touch you with a...39 and 1/2 foot pole!
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#2566
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 06:31
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I hope the reason there weren't much consequence for having another LI in LOTSB was because it was DLC.
That, and I'm also inclined to believe that, from an in-universe perspective, Liara gives Shepard something of a "free pass" in LotSB, given the difficult status of the relationship up until that point.
I'm not condoning cheating at all, but I think that, to a certain extent, Liara would understand if Shepard sought comfort with another LI whilst their own relationship was enduring a rocky period.
However, I think Liara will be seriously irritated and angered if Shepard cheats on her after reaffirming the romance in LotSB, and rightly so. This is why I believe that there will be more severe consequences for cheating in ME3.
I have a problem with Bioware even describing Shepard taking another LI in Me2 as 'cheating,' if he had previously romanced Liara or Ashley.
Shepard died and was gone for two years, and death tends to end relationships. When he returns, neither of his LIs express an interest in rekindling an old spark. Ashley is a little more standoffish than Liara, but both express no interest in picking up where things left off and Shepard gets the cold shoulder. The relationship with either character is over in ME2. So long as the player does LotSB *after* romancing a ME2 squadmate, it shouldn't be considered cheating.
Also it is far more likely and realistic that Ashley or Liara would have been in a relationship or two (or have taken lovers) during the period that Shepard was dead. 2 years is a long time.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:12
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Well, Shepard had been dead/in a coma for two years, and did go rather quickly from being in love with Alice to being in love with/having casual sex with Bob.
And Liara was aware that Cerberus was trying to rebuild Shepard. The decent thing would have been to wait until the doctors had given up before finding a new love interest, especially since Liara seemed to be more concerned with important things
And Liara was aware that Cerberus was trying to rebuild Shepard. The decent thing would have been to wait until the doctors had given up before finding a new love interest, especially since Liara seemed to be more concerned with important things
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#2568
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:35
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drwells123 wrote...
MillaShepard wrote...
www.youtube.com/watch
This is why my FemShep is the ONLY Shep who gets to romance Liara. Male Shep is a dog!
Hilarious, someone send this to Fox News and watch the fireworks.
It puts me in mind of the Grinch song:
You're a monster, Mr. Grinch...
Your heart's an empty hole...
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul, Mr. Grinnn-hinch!
I wouldn't touch you with a...39 and 1/2 foot pole!
hahaha! It would put the 4th of July to shame i'm sure.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:42
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Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Shepard died and was gone for two years, and death tends to end relationships. When he returns, neither of his LIs express an interest in rekindling an old spark. Ashley is a little more standoffish than Liara, but both express no interest in picking up where things left off and Shepard gets the cold shoulder. The relationship with either character is over in ME2. So long as the player does LotSB *after* romancing a ME2 squadmate, it shouldn't be considered cheating.
Maybe, but I still maintain that Shepard shows a distinct lack of respect and understanding toward both the relationship and love interest if another LI is romanced in ME2, moreso with Liara as the romance is never addressed or discussed at all. People also seem to miss the fact that, from Shepard's perspective, it has been a few weeks at most. As far as she is concerned, she was still in a loving relationship with said character a few days earlier. The two years that have elapsed in the interim period between ME1 and 2 can therefore not be used as viable justification of Shepard's actions.
Relationships endure difficult periods on a regular basis. There are complex, and deeply emotional reasons as to why Liara or Kaidan are unsure or anxious about continuing the relationship, and it would undermine their characters if they were to leap back into Shepard's arms as soon as she reappears. I maintain that, especially regarding Liara, Shepard should wait until the romance is discussed and addressed before taking a ME2 LI. Without doing so, a distinct lack of respect is shown toward the relationship. As I said, Liara is willing to tolerate Shepard's actions in ME2 as the relationship was enduring a difficult period, but that doesn't make it justifiable. Definitions of "cheating" are loose, but I think it applies to the Liara romance here in some form.
Additionally, I think it would be wrong to observe and examine the Ashley or Kaidan, or the Liara romances from identical perspectives. Both relationships are addressed differently in ME2, and not at all with Liara. One could argue that Shepard is "moving on" from Ashley or Kaidan, but I do not think the same criteria applies to the Liara romance.
Also it is far more likely and realistic that Ashley or Liara would have been in a relationship or two (or have taken lovers) during the period that Shepard was dead. 2 years is a long time.
Incorrect. We know nothing of Ashley or Kaidan's actions, but Liara has clearly not moved on in any way. I'm not sure how this is relevant, either.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 10:33
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Heh that is cute. I don't know why I didn't think to throw that into my fic somewhere before Shepard died. Have to do it after she comes back.
That would be adorable!
It's funny to imagine Shepard wearing Liara's labcoat, and looking incredibly awkward whilst doing so.
#2571
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 11:03
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Incorrect. We know nothing of Ashley or Kaidan's actions, but Liara has clearly not moved on in any way. I'm not sure how this is relevant, either.
Indeed she hasn't. In fact, she was actively working with Cerberus to bring Shepard back.
The reason she's cautious when meeting Shepard on Illyum is because she doesn't know how she will react to the news that it was Liara herself who gave Shep over to Cerberus. That, and she is focused on finding the Shadow Broker and avenging Feron.
Ash and Kaiden are a bigger mistery since we have no idea what they've been up to for the past 2 years, other than the fact that they mourned Shepard for a time.
Ashley does send a letter where she clearly says that she still cares about Shepard despite the way she acted on Horizon and doesn't want to lose him the second time, even though she has no idea what the future will has in store for them.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 11:11
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Honestly, that Shadowbroker didn't arrive I'd say F.ck off to Liara. Rly. What is a guy suposed to do in normal situation? She tells him nothing, doesn't want to come with him, keeps her distance and tells him it's been two years for her and needs to focus on fighting SB, every normal guy would take a hint and accept that they lost her.
With Shadowbroker do, we get our real closure and my Shep stayed loyal to Liara and would stay loyal without second thought. But as game designers made at start with that little office on Illium, I just found it... well retarded to keep the relationship alive like that.
With Shadowbroker do, we get our real closure and my Shep stayed loyal to Liara and would stay loyal without second thought. But as game designers made at start with that little office on Illium, I just found it... well retarded to keep the relationship alive like that.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 11:39
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Durontan wrote...
Honestly, that Shadowbroker didn't arrive I'd say F.ck off to Liara. Rly. What is a guy suposed to do in normal situation? She tells him nothing, doesn't want to come with him, keeps her distance and tells him it's been two years for her and needs to focus on fighting SB, every normal guy would take a hint and accept that they lost her.
With Shadowbroker do, we get our real closure and my Shep stayed loyal to Liara and would stay loyal without second thought. But as game designers made at start with that little office on Illium, I just found it... well retarded to keep the relationship alive like that.
I've got to disagree with you on that one. It wasn't like Liara completely ignored you on Illium. To me the kiss Shepard and Liara shared with Liara breaking it off with a "I want to do this..but...I just can't right now" look on her face was a good first indication she still cared for Shepard. I wasn't angry with her, just dissapointed. But the way she's so busy with her work (before mentioning being after the shadow broker) and thereby ignoring her relationship with Shepard at that time was no reason for me to think:"This relationship is over... "
Just because I felt she had a good reason for acting the way she did and that the 'real' Liara was still there...somewhere.
Of course, I didn't play ME2 until after the release of LotSB so I had more of an indication than most that there was something bugging Liara at that point.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 12:43
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Robhuzz wrote...
I've got to disagree with you on that one. It wasn't like Liara completely ignored you on Illium. To me the kiss Shepard and Liara shared with Liara breaking it off with a "I want to do this..but...I just can't right now" look on her face was a good first indication she still cared for Shepard. I wasn't angry with her, just dissapointed. But the way she's so busy with her work (before mentioning being after the shadow broker) and thereby ignoring her relationship with Shepard at that time was no reason for me to think:"This relationship is over... "
Just because I felt she had a good reason for acting the way she did and that the 'real' Liara was still there...somewhere.
Of course, I didn't play ME2 until after the release of LotSB so I had more of an indication than most that there was something bugging Liara at that point.
That makes a big difference.
I still remember my first ME2 playtrough...when I was excited like a little kid arriving on Illium and that one asari tells you that Liara payed all your fees and that she would like to speak with you! I was buzzing Liaras name the entire time in various silly tones while I was searching her office (took me some time to find it^^).
Then, after I did her mission, and repeatedly returned to her office, left with normandy to return one sec later...seeing if some new dialogue was triggered, I was raging that day!! The entrie day I was just raging "THATS IT !?!?" "Bioware What the ****!" "you never have let me down like this!"...I quit Me2 for the rest of the day. I then played on and hoped after every big mission that maybe some new dialogue with Liara was possible...but none :/
Then came the moment of truth when I talked with Samara after her Loayalty mission. When I saw that little dialogue choice available to persue Samara. Playing my favorite canon Shepard I was thinking a lot about it. But then I came to my senses, knowing that the poor cameo is not Liaras fault but Biowares. So I continued the game staying faithfull...got a nice Liara Picture scene before going Omega 4 Relay and started to building up my hopes for a nice DLC.
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Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 01:26
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But the difference is all about gameplay; the player gets a nice fan service cabin scene (i.e. a scene where Liara drops the 'flaying people alive' act) but the situation is exactly the same. In both cases Shepard learns about Liara's involvement with Lazarus and about Feron and the Shadow Broker; Liara decides that brining down the Shadow Broker is more important than joining Shepard (which is not unreasonable since Shepard has no leads at that point).
At this point Shepard has to decide whether he wants to give Liara time and continue the relationship or break up with her. Some time after this he is given the SB intel and can help Liara take down the SB. (I know that the "Give Liara intel" become available when you talk to Liara for the 2nd time but that is merely to not outrage fans even more)
At this point Shepard has to decide whether he wants to give Liara time and continue the relationship or break up with her. Some time after this he is given the SB intel and can help Liara take down the SB. (I know that the "Give Liara intel" become available when you talk to Liara for the 2nd time but that is merely to not outrage fans even more)
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