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[AlexMBrennan]

It is customary to include a readme file with archives like this, if only to be able to tell people to RTFM. Given that these archives (at least the two I downloaded) contain only a single file each (with an obscure extension), people might be led to believe that you simply apply zip (or rar) to everything regardless of whether or not the files can actually be compressed...
Edit to add: Think MP3, JPEG and, these days, MS Office documents (you can open .docx & friends as a regular zip archive)
Sorry, I was under the impression that this was your project

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:10 .

[jwalker]

It's easy.
Google it or leave a polite comment in the project. How to use textmods is not Liara related.

Modifié par jwalker, 11 décembre 2010 - 02:49 .

[bjdbwea]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I do prefer the "Because I couldn't let you go" line, since it's one of my favorite Liara moments.

Yeah, that's a very nice moment. It's about the only moment in the whole Liara scene in the main game of ME 2 that was adequately well written. Unfortunately, the following reaction from Shepard to the revelations of how and why Liara saved Shepard was always one of the most annoying, artificial and unrealistic scenes in the whole game, paralled perhaps only by the contrived idea of a human reaper. The contrast between Liara's beautiful words and Shepard's completely inappropriate responses is what makes this scene especially terrible.

That's why I for one prefer the new scene in LotSB. If anyone hasn't seen it yet, you should. Just ignore the dialogue choice that would normally lead to the "because I couldn't let you go" line, and then at the beginning of LotSB, Liara will tell the story in a slightly different way. And most importantly, finally Shepard can react properly and like a human.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[TMA LIVE]

bjdbwea wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I do prefer the "Because I couldn't let you go" line, since it's one of my favorite Liara moments.

Yeah, that's a very nice moment. It's about the only moment in the whole Liara scene in the main game of ME 2 that was adequately well written. Unfortunately, the following reaction from Shepard to the revelations of how and why Liara saved Shepard was always one of the most annoying, artificial and unrealistic scenes in the whole game, paralled perhaps only by the contrived idea of a human reaper. The contrast between Liara's beautiful words and Shepard's completely inappropriate responses is what make this scene especially terrible.

That's why I for one prefer the new scene in LotSB. If anyone hasn't seen it yet, you should. Just ignore the dialogue choice that would normally lead to the "because I couldn't let you go" line, and then at the beginning of LotSB, Liara will tell the story in a slightly different way. And most importantly, finally Shepard can react properly and like a human.

Yeah, but I'm not happy with either of Shepard's response for both scenes. That's why I prefer the other, since I get a better Liara response.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:35 .

[bjdbwea]

So what do you not like about Shepard's response in the new scene?

[jbauck]

bjdbwea wrote...

Yeah, that's a very nice moment. It's about the only moment in the whole Liara scene in the main game of ME 2 that was adequately well written. Unfortunately, the following reaction from Shepard to the revelations of how and why Liara saved Shepard was always one of the most annoying, artificial and unrealistic scenes in the whole game, paralled perhaps only by the contrived idea of a human reaper. The contrast between Liara's beautiful words and Shepard's completely inappropriate responses is what make this scene especially terrible.

QFT.

And, sadly, I haven't avoided that scene yet, and have willfully tortured myself with StumpShep.  I just keep forgetting that I can skip that line and Shep will be better in LotSB - because that line used to be pretty much required to have Liara make any kind of sense.  Weird that now I need to skip it so Shep will make some sense.  I'm pretty sure I have a save right before that - I'm going to go do that now.

[Sunnie]

bjdbwea wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I do prefer the "Because I couldn't let you go" line, since it's one of my favorite Liara moments.

Yeah, that's a very nice moment. It's about the only moment in the whole Liara scene in the main game of ME 2 that was adequately well written. Unfortunately, the following reaction from Shepard to the revelations of how and why Liara saved Shepard was always one of the most annoying, artificial and unrealistic scenes in the whole game, paralled perhaps only by the contrived idea of a human reaper. The contrast between Liara's beautiful words and Shepard's completely inappropriate responses is what make this scene especially terrible.

That's why I for one prefer the new scene in LotSB. If anyone hasn't seen it yet, you should. Just ignore the dialogue choice that would normally lead to the "because I couldn't let you go" line, and then at the beginning of LotSB, Liara will tell the story in a slightly different way. And most importantly, finally Shepard can react properly and like a human.

Though I really like the "Couldn't let you go" line and what it implies, Shepards response to Liara spilling her emotions at that point has always really bugged the crap out of me. I am going to avoid that dialog path on my latest PT, and I suspect I will be more satisfied now, as you already said, Shepard can now respond more appropriately and more like a human.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jbauck wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Yeah, that's a very nice moment. It's about the only moment in the whole Liara scene in the main game of ME 2 that was adequately well written. Unfortunately, the following reaction from Shepard to the revelations of how and why Liara saved Shepard was always one of the most annoying, artificial and unrealistic scenes in the whole game, paralled perhaps only by the contrived idea of a human reaper. The contrast between Liara's beautiful words and Shepard's completely inappropriate responses is what make this scene especially terrible.

QFT.

I second this. Shepard's "forgiving" respone is one of the worst moments Shepard have. And even if you pick the angry response, it leads to abseloutly nowhere when it should have resulted in a huge arguement or something.

[TMA LIVE]

Well, for one it seems that Shepard doesn't really care that much about finding it out. In the old version, Shepard at least asks why she never told him, and Liara has to confess because it's something deep. While in new version, Liara just tells him, and he's says "You kept me out of the Collector's hands. Without you, I wouldn't have been able to come back. Thank you." but he doesn't seem to be phased by what was said. You know, he's like "Oh, you saved me? Thanks!" It's just too casual. And Liara quickly gets over it.

While in the original version, it's more of a surprise and a confession. And though I hate the mission bit, at least Shepard says "You did the right thing, Liara" as if trying to comfort her. And you can tell her to be careful right after.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Sunnie]

Lizardviking wrote...

jbauck wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Yeah, that's a very nice moment. It's about the only moment in the whole Liara scene in the main game of ME 2 that was adequately well written. Unfortunately, the following reaction from Shepard to the revelations of how and why Liara saved Shepard was always one of the most annoying, artificial and unrealistic scenes in the whole game, paralled perhaps only by the contrived idea of a human reaper. The contrast between Liara's beautiful words and Shepard's completely inappropriate responses is what make this scene especially terrible.

QFT.

I second this. Shepard's "forgiving" respone is one of the worst moments Shepard have. And even if you pick the angry response, it leads to abseloutly nowhere when it should have resulted in a huge arguement or something.

To be blunt about that scene, it was BioWare giving us the finger to try and make us move on to one of the horribly written shiny new romances. Huge fail.

[Sunnie]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, for one it seems that Shepard doesn't really care that much about finding out. In the old version, Shepard at least asks why she never told him, and Liara has to confess because it's something deep. While in new version, Liara just tells him, and he's like "You kept me out of the Collector's hands. Without you, I wouldn't have been able to come back. Thank you." but he doesn't seem to be phased by what was said. You know, it like "Oh, you saved me? Thanks!" It's just too casual. And Liara quickly gets over it.

I think you can blame that one on the VO director. Hale puts a fair amount of emotion into that dialog, whereas Meer still comes across in that flat drone tone. This is not Meer's fault, its the director's.

[JamieCOTC]

Unfortunately, this all stems from the inane idea of killing Shepard off in the first place.

But back to Liara, as much as I like "because I couldn't let you go" I think I like Liara's response to renegade LI Shep the most. "They knew you and I ..." or something like that. Not very poetic, but says a lot about Liara ... and Cerberus.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 11 décembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jbauck wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Yeah, that's a very nice moment. It's about the only moment in the whole Liara scene in the main game of ME 2 that was adequately well written. Unfortunately, the following reaction from Shepard to the revelations of how and why Liara saved Shepard was always one of the most annoying, artificial and unrealistic scenes in the whole game, paralled perhaps only by the contrived idea of a human reaper. The contrast between Liara's beautiful words and Shepard's completely inappropriate responses is what make this scene especially terrible.

QFT.

I second this. Shepard's "forgiving" respone is one of the worst moments Shepard have. And even if you pick the angry response, it leads to abseloutly nowhere when it should have resulted in a huge arguement or something.

To be blunt about that scene, it was BioWare giving us the finger to try and make us move on to one of the horribly written shiny new romances. Huge fail.

Exactly. Whats worse is that most people accused Liara of being the that doesn't care.

No, no, no! Liara still cares, it's Shepard that doesn't!

[TMA LIVE]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm playing the LOTSB version of the scene where Liara tells you about saving your corpse. I didn't realize the lines are different if you were still romancing her. She talks about Cerberus knowing about you two. While in the original version, she says she wouldn't let a friend die.

When do you get this?

It's when you ask Liara why she gave you to Cerberus. If you're just a friend, or you moved on, she says something different. While if you haven't moved on, she says Cerberus knew about them, as in they knew they were together once.

Anyways, here's the difference:

Friend/moved on version: 

Shepard: So you're the one responsible for me ending up with Cerberus? Why?

Liara: Was I suppose to let my friend die when someone offered a silver of hope? (looks at the picture of Feron) They brought you back. And now they're giving me a chance to find Feron.

Romance/Didn't move on version:

Shepard: So you're the one responsible for me ending up with Cerberus? Why?

Liara: (looks down) Cerberus knew you and I... they said they could bring you back. They gave me a sliver of hope. (angry) Was I suppose to just leave you dead? (looks at the picture of Feron) They brought you back. And now they're giving me a chance to find Feron.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 11 décembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[Chief Martini]

Hey all. You gonna watch the VGA's in 27 minutes?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chief Martini wrote...

Hey all. You gonna watch the VGA's in 27 minutes?

I live in Denmark so I can't watch in on spike. Unless you happen to have a link that leads to a site where europeans can watch it.

[TMA LIVE]

Sunnie22 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, for one it seems that Shepard doesn't really care that much about finding out. In the old version, Shepard at least asks why she never told him, and Liara has to confess because it's something deep. While in new version, Liara just tells him, and he's like "You kept me out of the Collector's hands. Without you, I wouldn't have been able to come back. Thank you." but he doesn't seem to be phased by what was said. You know, it like "Oh, you saved me? Thanks!" It's just too casual. And Liara quickly gets over it.

I think you can blame that one on the VO director. Hale puts a fair amount of emotion into that dialog, whereas Meer still comes across in that flat drone tone. This is not Meer's fault, its the director's.

Well, I haven't heard the Hale version of it yet, since I never avoided the dialogue before. I just feel like the confession with Liara is more power, and the best way to end the situation between you and Liara till LOTSB. It makes it about them.

And the LOTSB intro I feel like should be more about Liara and Feron. It's a way of showing that you're there to help, and not just for yourself. While with the additional dialogue tries to make the scene about Shepard, Liara, and Feron. Since most of LOTSB is about helping Liara save Feron, I just feel it's better to focus on that as the intro, without shoving Shepard in there as well.

[Chief Martini]

Wait...some of the vids work on spike right? I mean, the VGA's a big event, I'm guessing that it's visible for Europeans as well.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chief Martini wrote...

Wait...some of the vids work on spike right? I mean, the VGA's a big event, I'm guessing that it's visible for Europeans as well.

I don't think so. I can't get it to work on the spike website.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shepard: So you're the one responsible for me ending up with Cerberus? Why?

Liara: (looks down) Cerberus knew you and I... they said they could bring you back. They gave me a sliver of hope. (angry) Was I suppose to just leave you dead? (looks at the picture of Feron) They brought you back. And now they're giving me a chance to find Feron.

I really like that.  I am totally going to skip the 'couldn't let you go' line next time.  I'm also glad they've added romance sensitive dialog.  The 'couldn't let you go' line plays regardless, and that's always bothered me.

Sunnie22 wrote...

To be blunt about that scene, it was BioWare giving us the finger to try and make us move on to one of the
horribly written shiny new romances. Huge fail.

Seemslike it.  I still wonder what their stats say about this and how many did move on (as Casey Hudson expected they would) and what this will mean in ME3?

My fear is that if most 'moved on', this tells them that most people are happy getting new LIs in a new game, and we'll get all new ones again in ME3.  Though this might not be as big of a concern for Liara due to her plot armor and the fact that she just got a DLC recently, it may be for the ME2 LIs.

Modifié par jlb524, 11 décembre 2010 - 08:39 .

[Chief Martini]

Anyone interested in reading a bit of my fanfic?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chief Martini wrote...

Anyone interested in reading a bit of my fanfic?

I am. Just PM if you want.

[Chief Martini]

I will, 1 sec.

[jlb524]

Here's a vid with Ali Hillis and Jennifer Hale at the VGA's, for those interested.



*continues fangirl squeeing*