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[TMA LIVE]

Tancho wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mines is more like what Shepard tells Jacob right here.



I hate that Jacob is the only person Shepard can tell that too. Apart of me want to just start his romance just for that line, and then tell him to just be friends after talking to him. Maybe play it as a moment of weakness, until Shepard realizes what she needs to do, tells Jacob to just be a friend, and waits for Liara. Maybe after the illium scene, Shepard is so down that she wants anything to fill the gap, but stops herself before it's too late. I don't know.

Are you kidding me? Jacob gets to hear that and Liara doesn't. AHHHH. 

Yeah, I hate it too. But I want that goddamn line, since Shepard doesn't express anything till LOTSB. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Tancho wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mines is more like what Shepard tells Jacob right here.



I hate that Jacob is the only person Shepard can tell that too. Apart of me want to just start his romance just for that line, and then tell him to just be friends after talking to him. Maybe play it as a moment of weakness, until Shepard realizes what she needs to do, tells Jacob to just be a friend, and waits for Liara. Maybe after the illium scene, Shepard is so down that she wants anything to fill the gap, but stops herself before it's too late. I don't know.

Are you kidding me? Jacob gets to hear that and Liara doesn't. AHHHH. 

My thoughts were simply..

WHY WASN'T THIS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE, AND WHY DOESN'T KELLY ASK THE QUESTION?!

[TheMarshal]

Tancho wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mines is more like what Shepard tells Jacob right here.



I hate that Jacob is the only person Shepard can tell that too. Apart of me want to just start his romance just for that line, and then tell him to just be friends after talking to him. Maybe play it as a moment of weakness, until Shepard realizes what she needs to do, tells Jacob to just be a friend, and waits for Liara. Maybe after the illium scene, Shepard is so down that she wants anything to fill the gap, but stops herself before it's too late. I don't know.

Are you kidding me? Jacob gets to hear that and Liara doesn't. AHHHH. 

Nnnnngggh...  I am loathe to even talk to Jacob because of how quickly Shep drops into flirtations with him (so creepy...), but that was some good material...  I think you've got the right idea about how it can be used in RP with Liara's romance.

[jbauck]

Heh ... just finished the Illium cameo on my newest playthrough.


"Oh, Goddess.  Shepard is right behind me, isn't she?  She heard me use that 'asari commando' line.  How embarrassing ..."

I agree with LET about Liara's frustration with herself, but I can also see her being angry at Shepard a little, too.  Anger is part of the grieving process - it's just not a rational anger.  I could see her being angry - to some extent, being surprised at her own anger - because from a grieving POV, Shepard sent Liara away and then went off and got herself killed instead of getting on an escape pod.  And then, two years later, Shepard shows up and basically says, "Hey - I'm sure the life you've built for yourself the past two years can't possibly be as important as my mission.  Why don't you just drop everything and come with me?"

That's a little insensitive.  Though, in Shep's defense, it's not really her fault she was written to be a big lump of a log in that scene ...

[Robhuzz]

I think it's because, honestly, you can't realize what Liara's been through. You could guess, but you just don't know what it was like. To you, it was 3 weeks from the last time you guys cuddled in bed. To her, it was 2 years ago without you in her life.

Well it's not so much can't realize, it's more like just don't want to realize or whatever you want to call it. I understand it's got to be strange remembering sleeping with Liara just a few weeks ago but it was actually over 2 years ago. But Shepard has been told numerous times, first by Jacob, then again in the shuttle away from the research base. It's just a matter of "Oh.. that's right.. Liara and I were really close. It has been two years, better be carefull what I say to her" Or something like that... Would've made the Illium reunion a lot happier. And I'm pretty sure Liara would've opened up more at that point with Shepard showing (s)he realizes what Liara went through.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 19 janvier 2011 - 07:01 .

[Tancho]

@Jbauck -



You are probably the only other person who I've seen with that haircut/look for Shepard. My Shepard is always short blonde hair and green eyes. Nice to see that someone else likes the haircut.

[TMA LIVE]

jbauck wrote...

Heh ... just finished the Illium cameo on my newest playthrough.


"Oh, Goddess.  Shepard is right behind me, isn't she?  She heard me use that 'asari commando' line.  How embarrassing ..."

I agree with LET about Liara's frustration with herself, but I can also see her being angry at Shepard a little, too.  Anger is part of the grieving process - it's just not a rational anger.  I could see her being angry - to some extent, being surprised at her own anger - because from a grieving POV, Shepard sent Liara away and then went off and got herself killed instead of getting on an escape pod.  And then, two years later, Shepard shows up and basically says, "Hey - I'm sure the life you've built for yourself the past two years can't possibly be as important as my mission.  Why don't you just drop everything and come with me?"

That's a little insensitive.  Though, in Shep's defense, it's not really her fault she was written to be a big lump of a log in that scene ...

Well, you are on a mission to stop all life from dying. But I don't ask her about joining me at first. I instead question how she knows what she knows, ask her for intel, and then drop the question.

Oh yeah, that picture is so .

[Rune-Chan]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Hmm I never thought about it that way. Shepard's behaviour could well have something to do with it. Kaidan/Ashley's reaction is proof of that. There's no really 'understanding' dialogue options there. Shepard doesn't seem to realize what Liara/Ashley/Kaidan etc went through in the two years (s)he was gone. To me, that would cause some tension, Shepard's lack of understanding.

Liara mourning about Shepard for over two years, then Shepard comes in and act like nothing's wrong. "I got better". That's all fine and all but (s)he completely ignores the fact that while it was an afternoon's nap for Shepard, for Liara it was two gruelling long years. Same for Ashley/Kaidan.

It would have made the entire situation a lot better if Shepard had just said something like: "I'm sorry I made you go through all that" Even though it wasn't Shepard's fault, an apology there would've made it better 

The part about Shepard not realising that other people beside himself have suffered as well is a big part on how I roleplay my canon Shepard during some of the scenes in ME2, Illium cameo being one of them.

I think the line paragon Shepard gives to Mordin during his LM explains it perfectly.

"It's easy to miss others when you're in the middle of your own soul-searching".

The quote might be used in a diffrent situation. But I think it can be used here as well. Sometimes when we having a bad time, we might miss or forget that other people might go through the same. And as a result we hurt them, even if we didn't mean it.

Mines is more like what Shepard tells Jacob right here.

That's definitely the kind of conversation they needed for LOTSB, if I were the person to shout at the screen in these kinds of situatuations then that's what I'd have been saying. It just seemed really odd that you couldn't point out that for you it's only been weeks and so you don't feel like you have missed out on much in terms of the relationship.

It also seems strange as it doesn't seem to bother Tali anywhere near as much even though (as a male Shepard) she will always have feelings for you in Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 19 janvier 2011 - 07:07 .

[Robhuzz]

Apart from the flirting, that dialogue about being dead was... excellent. I mean I might actually have my femshep get into that scene with jacob then breaking up before it gets too serious just to get that dialogue. Shows what you're missing when playing only maleshep...

I agree with Machines Are Us - that conversation would've made LotSB even better. Or they could've implemented some kind of 'understanding' dialogue on Illium too

@Machines Are Us

About Tali, Yeah that's been bothering me slightly as well. I always credit the fact that Tali is on a mission there, very important for her. If she went all emotional and tried hugging Shepard, it would've made her look bad in front of 'her' soldiers. A commander/captain can't have that.  I don't pretend to know everything about quarian military (or even human military for that matter) but I'd contribute it to the fact that Tali had to stay professional. But I have no doubt that while she was with veetor on the ship back to the flotilla she will have thought about Shepard extensively. As shown on Haestrom where she thinks of nothing BUT Shepard

Modifié par Robhuzz, 19 janvier 2011 - 07:13 .

[jbauck]

I really wrestled with that haircut She had long blonde hair in ME1 up in a bun, but I actually gave her the buzzcut for waking up on the operating table through Freedom's Progress through getting onboard the Normandy, where I figured futuristic medical intervention could grow her hair out. I wanted her to look a little different after being resurrected between ME1 and ME2. Oh, how I love Gibbed.

And for on-topic - Moar Liara!

"Must ... Kiss ... Shepard ..."

Edit: I know I could just skip the "come with me" dialogue ... but is it wrong I always select it because she gets snippy with Shepard?  I kind of love that, now that LotSB is out.  I like them having a bit of a tiff during the initial reunion.

Modifié par jbauck, 19 janvier 2011 - 07:15 .

[Robhuzz]

^Hmmm I don't. I always choose the sweetest possible dialogue. Maybe I'm just a little whimpy when it comes to Liara.



Lovely picture

"Must...Kiss....Shepard....Can't....Resist!"

[MillaShepard]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

There's a difference between knowing someone is alive, and actually seeing them standing infront of you, alive and well.

Liara may have known that the Normandy had just docked on Illium, and that Shepard had disembarked. However, to see that individual standing before you, after two years of nonstop and painful mourning, is something else entirely. It's difficult.

That's why Liara reacts in that manner.

Yes I agree, and also, remember that Liara lost Shepard once already.  I don't think she could stand losing her/him again (hence the whole, "promise you'll always come back to me".) scene on the Normandy.  I think Liara is also thinking to herself "don't get too close.  Shepards job is dangerous.  There's a good chance you'll lose her/him again."  Like Liara was thinking "Loving Shepard from a distance, may be easier, and less painful then getting to close."  If so, nice try Liara.

[RolandX9]

TheMarshal wrote...

The one thing that got me in my most recent playthrough was Ashley asking why Shepard never tried to contact any of them. All I could think was "God... Why didn't I try to contact any of them? Because The Illusive Man told me to move on??"

Hurt seems perfectly reasonable after that.

Yeah, except Anderson won't tell you where Ash/Kaidan is. As for the others, you already have contacted Tali, Garrus dropped of the face of the galaxy, and Wrex is just a little busy on Tuchanka (and you get to say hi to him anyway).

Liara...she's a big shot on Illium. What, she doesn't have a page on extranet advertising her business? Even if EDI's programmed to prevent you from finding it ("EDI-sense has blocked that website"), you can't drop a little cash to rent a terminal on the Citadel? I was pissed about that. Plus, you don't even get to throw TIM's blatant lie back in his face (she fought the Shadow Broker for Cerberus, and he tells you she's working for him? WTF?!). I wanted to find the SOB and beat his smug face in. With the Cain. After all that...well, I couldn't ask Liara to come with me. Even if it hadn't been that much of a wall-banger, it's a suicide mission. No way I'm taking Liara with me.

She'd better be with the party in 3, though. Not sure what they could do to keep me from buying it, but that's the top of the list of things I can think of.

Modifié par RolandX9, 19 janvier 2011 - 08:08 .

[TheMarshal]

RolandX9 wrote...

Yeah, except Anderson won't tell you where Ash/Kaidan is. As for the others, you already have contacted Tali, Garrus dropped of the face of the galaxy, and Wrex is just a little busy on Tuchanka (and you get to say hi to him anyway).

Liara...she's a big shot on Illium. What, she doesn't have a page on extranet advertising her business? Even if EDI's programmed to prevent you from finding it ("EDI-sense has blocked that website"), you can't drop a little cash to rent a terminal on the Citadel? I was pissed about that. Plus, you don't even get to throw TIM's blatant lie back in his face (she fought the Shadow Broker for Cerberus, and he tells you she's working for him? WTF?!). I wanted to find the SOB and beat his smug face in. With the Cain. After all that...well, I couldn't ask Liara to come with me. Even if it hadn't been that much of a wall-banger, it's a suicide mission. No way I'm taking Liara with me.

She'd better be with the party in 3, though. Not sure what they could do to keep me from buying it, but that's the top of the list of things I can think of.

Any sort of "rocks fall, everyone dies" ending would really suck.  ANY unavoidable death would almost be too much to bear.  If they force Liara's death I may wind up having to buy a new monitor, since my old one will have had a fist put through it.

And yeah, after Ash on Horizon I stopped asking people to come with me, more out of the respect that I had for the fact that people moved on and had other things going on in their lives than any fear about the suicide mission.  Not asking Liara to come along was very difficult, though.

[Robhuzz]

I would still buy the game even if Liara won't be a party member at all. As long as both Liara and Shepard (and as many as possible others) have a chance of surviving I'm getting the game. If Liara only survives in special circumstances determined by a certain course of action in ME1. I'm playing the entire series again. Of course by the time I realise Liara won't survive ME3 it's already too late. In that case I'm probably putting my ME3 case in the corner of my room somewhere, never to look at it again.

[Tancho]

This is kind of a new topic, but oh well:



You know, there's still a chance for Kaiden/Ash people to get 'something nice'. The Cerberus Network announced that it was shutting down, only to come up again before the next DLC and Mass Effect 3. So, what with another DLC in the works, it might be that Ash/Kaiden make an appearance and you can continue a romance with them.



I'm hoping the DLC will involve the SB in some way. Maybe Liara provides the info? I dunno - she's obviously a big player now, so hopefully, she'll be present.



And I mentioned the thing about Kaiden/Ash because a lot of players have chosen Liara or an ME2 character because of the lack of conversation. Also, because of the comic and how it depicts Liara in comparison to Ash/Kaiden.

[Robhuzz]

^I sort of agree. Even though I chose Liara in ME1 because I liked her character better and 'there was something...compelling about you Liara'. I will not be cheating on Liara in any playthrough (having a hard time unlocking the ME2 paramour achievement) but I agree Ashley/Kaidan romancers should get the same kind of reunion us Liaramancers got in LotSB. For non romancers it would still give us a chance to catch up with an old friend, I won't enjoy a possible DLC like that any less.



I doubt Liara will be in the ME2 DLC though for one obvious reason: It is (most likely) possible to do the suicide mission, then the new DLC, then LotSB. In that case Liara can't give you any intel. No, my guessing is we'll have to make due with a journal update stating "Check your mailbox" and it'll have an email from (hopefully) admiral hackett asking Shepard about what happened to Ashley/Kaidan since he heard Shepard was on Horizon but Ashley/Kaidan never returned from the mission. Okay going off topic, you know what I mean...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
I doubt Liara will be in the ME2 DLC though for one obvious reason: It is (most likely) possible to do the suicide mission, then the new DLC, then LotSB. In that case Liara can't give you any intel. No, my guessing is we'll have to make due with a journal update stating "Check your mailbox" and it'll have an email from (hopefully) admiral hackett asking Shepard about what happened to Ashley/Kaidan since he heard Shepard was on Horizon but Ashley/Kaidan never returned from the mission. Okay going off topic, you know what I mean...

This.

Not to be mean or anything. But do not expect more Liara in ME2.

[JamieCOTC]

Even though the next DLC will be bridging, I doubt we will get it from Liara. I hope so, but it will most likely come from Cerberus. I am hoping for VS DLC myself.

[Co1in]

Ok, I have seen that abbreviation more than once now, what is VS?? I thought they hadn't told us what the next DLC would be yet, this is driving me nuts.

[oxymoo28]

Yeah the point at which you make Liara the Shadow Broker is still a variable, so I doubt we'd receive the intel from her. Hopefully the DLC mentioned will involve the VS and we'll get the info from Anderson or Hackett. Majorly annoying that TIM keeps messaging me. I blew up the damn collector base you'd think he'd get the message.

I don't think we'll see Liara in further ME2 DLC

[Tancho]

Someone mentioned the idea that those who broke away from Cerberus might get their intel from the SB now instead. Of course, I don't find this very likely, but it is an interesting idea.

[oxymoo28]

VS = Virmire Survivor

[Co1in]

Oooooohh ok, thanks.