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[MillaShepard]

jlb524 wrote...

drwells123 wrote...


Does anyone besides me think she has a very slight accent in ME1?

I do...it's...something.

I think she still kinda does.

[ZABL2010]

I, and two my friends, decided to make a short video on the topic - Comparative descriptions of romantic stories. Each co-author have a favorite story (and person) and "own" Shepard. Until now, we bet - what story is more "romantic". I'm a fan of Liara. What do you think?

Music: lyric Globus - Crusaders of the Light (Liara) and Globus - Spiritus Khayyam (Tali), Two Steps from Hell and X-Ray-Dog (Ashley)

http://www.dailymoti...li-ashley_music

[jlb524]

MillaShepard wrote...


I think she still kinda does.

Whatever it is, it sounds very....refined and proper.  You can hear that Liara grew up in higher class asari society.

[Robhuzz]

^Comes with being the daughter of a powerful and respected matriarch. That's got to have raised expectations quite a bit. And Benezia would've raised Liara accordingly.

[jlb524]

Indeed...Liara was raised to follow in Benezia's footsteps. Of course, she didn't do this

[darknoon5]

I don't usually go in here, but I do like Liara...I usually romance her tbh.



But I was wondering what most people here think of Benezia. Obviously, not much is seen of her, but I don't have a paticularly high opinion of her. Her outfit is completely ridiculous, especially when compared to the "me2 sexual outfits" complaints. She also seemed, iirc, to not have spoken to Liara for years in ME1. She was obviously strong willed to break through indoctrination, though.



Any opinions on her? I don't know much about her, and I'm curious if you know much more.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think it was an inevitability that Liara would eventually follow in Benezia's footsteps, to be honest. Upon being directly exposed to the dirty, seedy and corrupt underbelly of the galaxy, Liara would begin to appreciate her mother's work to a greater extent. Logically, her compassionate nature would then dictate that she would seek to become a leader, and help those less fortunate than herself.

Do you think she will be a leader of just the asari people or will she lead on a larger, galactic scale?

[Robhuzz]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Indeed...Liara was raised to follow in Benezia's footsteps. Of course, she didn't do this

Yet. ; )

I think it was an inevitability that Liara would eventually follow in Benezia's footsteps, to be honest. Upon being directly exposed to the dirty, seedy and corrupt underbelly of the galaxy, Liara would begin to appreciate her mother's work to a greater extent. Logically, her compassionate nature would then dictate that she would seek to become a leader, and help those less fortunate than herself.

Most likely, but I'd consider her shyness (at least in ME1) a major obstacle to Liara becoming a leader. As a matter of fact she didn't interact with people much. If Shepard hadn't come for her (and neither had the geth) then Liara probably would never have thought about leaving her study of the protheans behind.

The ME2 Liara would be a proficient leader if she tried but I doubt she would've achieved that without Shepard. As for Liara's and Shepard's potential children...welll... They could be great leaders and more.. harboring the greatest traits from both Shepard (natural leadership, tactical and diplomatic mind, unwavering courage) and Liara (superior intellect, curiosity, exceptional loyalty)

But I was wondering what most people here think of Benezia. Obviously, not much is seen of her, but I don't have a paticularly high opinion of her. Her outfit is completely ridiculous, especially when compared to the "me2 sexual outfits" complaints. She also seemed, iirc, to not have spoken to Liara for years in ME1. She was obviously strong willed to break through indoctrination, though.



Any opinions on her? I don't know much about her, and I'm curious if you know much more.

Not much is known about Benezia other than that she was extremely popular (Considering how many followers she had AND the fact the asari councillor immediately recognized her voice even though there are thousands of asari matriarchs out there, most of them fulfill leading roles in asari space). Most of us are considering matriarch aethyta to be Liara's father, but she doesn't speak too highly of Benezia so not much can be concluded from Shepard's conversation with her.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 05:09 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

darknoon5 wrote...

I don't usually go in here, but I do like Liara...I usually romance her tbh.

But I was wondering what most people here think of Benezia. Obviously, not much is seen of her, but I don't have a paticularly high opinion of her. Her outfit is completely ridiculous, especially when compared to the "me2 sexual outfits" complaints. She also seemed, iirc, to not have spoken to Liara for years in ME1. She was obviously strong willed to break through indoctrination, though.

Any opinions on her? I don't know much about her, and I'm curious if you know much more.

My oppinion of Benezia from a meta-gaming perspective?

I felt she was the weakest link in the main-plot, only there so Liara had a personal stake in the story. It could have definetly been fleshed out more, she's barely even mentioned in ME2. Her voice actor (Marina Sirtis I think) also did a mediocre job.

As for the outfit. Sure it's rather revealing, but unlike ME2 squadmembers outfits it make sense because.

A: I felt it was pretty clear Benezia never intented to personally fight and get her hands dirty when in Noveria.
B: She dressed like that to to take advantage of her looks.

"EDIT"

And Benezia's death scene when Liara is present has to be one of the worst scene in the series so far regarding voice acting preformance and animations. Every single VA did a poor job during that scene and the characters felt completely stiff.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 20 janvier 2011 - 05:09 .

[darknoon5]

Lizardviking wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

I don't usually go in here, but I do like Liara...I usually romance her tbh.

But I was wondering what most people here think of Benezia. Obviously, not much is seen of her, but I don't have a paticularly high opinion of her. Her outfit is completely ridiculous, especially when compared to the "me2 sexual outfits" complaints. She also seemed, iirc, to not have spoken to Liara for years in ME1. She was obviously strong willed to break through indoctrination, though.

Any opinions on her? I don't know much about her, and I'm curious if you know much more.

My oppinion of Benezia from a meta-gaming perspective?

I felt she was the weakest link in the main-plot, only there so Liara had a personal stake in the story. It could have definetly been fleshed out more, she's barely even mentioned in ME2. Her voice actor (Marina Sirtis I think) also did a mediocre job.

As for the outfit. Sure it's rather revealing, but unlike ME2 squadmembers outfits it make sense because.

A: I felt it was pretty clear Benezia never intented to personally fight and get her hands dirty when in Noveria.
B: She dressed like that to to take advantage of her looks.

Some interesting points, however I dispute the part about her outfit.

A: She was still in the middle of a war zone, and must of known Shepard would come eventually.
B: You think she was trying to seduce Saren with her giant breasts? And how does it help her, precisely? Didn't help her much against Shepard.

I agree the death scene kind of sucks. Wish Liara went up to her and held in her arms as she did or something, it'd be much more moving then 1 or 2 extra lines of dialouge.

Modifié par darknoon5, 20 janvier 2011 - 05:12 .

[Robhuzz]

@Lizardviking

I agree. I usually avoid the 'dialogue that makes you cringe' topics but if I had to answer one... that scene would it be. Not only was benezia's dialogue lacking, Liara's reaction was far too soft and emotionless there. I mean.. hello... that's your mother dieing there... Add to that the fact that Liara realised Benezia only joined Saren to try and guide him down a gentler path (Benezia supposedly did it for the good of the galaxy) so I doubt Liara was actually mad at benezia at that point after learning about indoctrination.

I'm not saying Liara should've jumped towards her mother and grab her hand and start crying but... a little more emotion would do good there...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

darknoon5 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

I don't usually go in here, but I do like Liara...I usually romance her tbh.

But I was wondering what most people here think of Benezia. Obviously, not much is seen of her, but I don't have a paticularly high opinion of her. Her outfit is completely ridiculous, especially when compared to the "me2 sexual outfits" complaints. She also seemed, iirc, to not have spoken to Liara for years in ME1. She was obviously strong willed to break through indoctrination, though.

Any opinions on her? I don't know much about her, and I'm curious if you know much more.

My oppinion of Benezia from a meta-gaming perspective?

I felt she was the weakest link in the main-plot, only there so Liara had a personal stake in the story. It could have definetly been fleshed out more, she's barely even mentioned in ME2. Her voice actor (Marina Sirtis I think) also did a mediocre job.

As for the outfit. Sure it's rather revealing, but unlike ME2 squadmembers outfits it make sense because.

A: I felt it was pretty clear Benezia never intented to personally fight and get her hands dirty when in Noveria.
B: She dressed like that to to take advantage of her looks.

Some interesting points, however I dispute the part about her outfit.

A: She was still in the middle of a war zone, and must of known Shepard would come eventually.
B: You think she was trying to seduce Saren with her giant breasts? And how does it help her, precisely? Didn't help her much against Shepard.

A: She never inteded for Shepard to make it that far. Beside she had an entire army of commandos and geth troopers with her as bodyguards.
B: Wasn't refering to Saren or Shep. I refered more to those folks on Noveria.

[darknoon5]

Lizardviking wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

I don't usually go in here, but I do like Liara...I usually romance her tbh.

But I was wondering what most people here think of Benezia. Obviously, not much is seen of her, but I don't have a paticularly high opinion of her. Her outfit is completely ridiculous, especially when compared to the "me2 sexual outfits" complaints. She also seemed, iirc, to not have spoken to Liara for years in ME1. She was obviously strong willed to break through indoctrination, though.

Any opinions on her? I don't know much about her, and I'm curious if you know much more.

My oppinion of Benezia from a meta-gaming perspective?

I felt she was the weakest link in the main-plot, only there so Liara had a personal stake in the story. It could have definetly been fleshed out more, she's barely even mentioned in ME2. Her voice actor (Marina Sirtis I think) also did a mediocre job.

As for the outfit. Sure it's rather revealing, but unlike ME2 squadmembers outfits it make sense because.

A: I felt it was pretty clear Benezia never intented to personally fight and get her hands dirty when in Noveria.
B: She dressed like that to to take advantage of her looks.

Some interesting points, however I dispute the part about her outfit.

A: She was still in the middle of a war zone, and must of known Shepard would come eventually.
B: You think she was trying to seduce Saren with her giant breasts? And how does it help her, precisely? Didn't help her much against Shepard.

A: She never inteded for Shepard to make it that far. Beside she had an entire army of commandos and geth troopers with her as bodyguards.
B: Wasn't refering to Saren or Shep. I refered more to those folks on Noveria.

A: Her "army" didn't seem enough to warrant that term, tbh. Besides, if she thought they'd hold Shepard back, then she was being sloppy, and not planning ahead.
B: I doubt her cleavage was why she got through, this is mainly because she was Saren's aid, and he invested a lot in Binary helix. Also, they must have known how powerful and influental matriachs are, and would have given her preferential treatment anyway.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Well, she's currently a leader on a far greater galactic scale, and I think she will enjoy using the Shadow Broker network to help people.

However, I hypothesise that she will eventually return to Thessia, and utilise the political clout that she has acquired in order to become a leader amongst the asari. Similar to Matriarch Aethyta's views concerning Maiden asari, I think she will recognise that attempting to lead sweeping reforms to asari culture might be worthwhile, and that they could accomplish alot more by abandoning the archaic "long-view."

Liara admires humans for pursuing the goals, in spite of their relatively short lifespans. I think she believes that the asari could achieve alot more if they were to utilise their potential more thoroughly, and not waste the time granted to them.

That's interesting...considering the asari are now probably the most powerful and influencial species in Council space.   I think change will be difficult, considering their old attitudes had worked well for many many thousands of years.

However, given this upcoming Reaper war, things will be different post-war and the asari (as well as the other species) will most likely have to change in order to adapt.

[TheMarshal]

I'd be interested in learning more about Benezia's story. She seems like she could be an interesting character beyond being a means to tie Liara to Saren.



As for her outfit, it may be a matriarch thing, perhaps living for a millenium means that you're just REALLY comfortable with your sexuality. I mean, Samara wears something that's just as if not more revealing.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

darknoon5 wrote...
A: Her "army" didn't seem enough to warrant that term, tbh. Besides, if she thought they'd hold Shepard back, then she was being sloppy, and not planning ahead.
B: I doubt her cleavage was why she got through, this is mainly because she was Saren's aid, and he invested a lot in Binary helix. Also, they must have known how powerful and influental matriachs are, and would have given her preferential treatment anyway.

A: She brought a large force with her. Anything larger than that could easily attract alot undesired attention. Beside Saren and Benezia did know Shepard was after them, but did they know that Shepard would arrive just that day when Benezia was still there?

B: Maybe. But every advantage helps!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 20 janvier 2011 - 05:26 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I'd be interested in learning more about Benezia's story. She seems like she could be an interesting character beyond being a means to tie Liara to Saren.

Yes, but I think we will have to rely on fan fic to fill in the gaps.  Though, I don't know of many fics focusing more on Benezia.

[darknoon5]

[quote]Lizardviking wrote...

[quote]darknoon5 wrote...
[/quote]A: Her "army" didn't seem enough to warrant that term, tbh. Besides, if she thought they'd hold Shepard back, then she was being sloppy, and not planning ahead.
B: I doubt her cleavage was why she got through, this is mainly because she was Saren's aid, and he invested a lot in Binary helix. Also, they must have known how powerful and influental matriachs are, and would have given her preferential treatment anyway.
[/quote]

A: She brought a large force with her. Anything larger than that could easily attract alot undesired attention. Beside Saren and Benezia did know Shepard was after them, but did they know that Shepard would arrive just that day when Benezia was still there?

B: Maybe. But every advantage helps!

[/quote]A: True enough, but you can leave it until after Virmire, which leaves little excuse
B: I suppose, but it is still stops me taking her seriously lol.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I'd be interested in learning more about Benezia's story. She seems like she could be an interesting character beyond being a means to tie Liara to Saren.

Yes, but I think we will have to rely on fan fic to fill in the gaps.  Though, I don't know of many fics focusing more on Benezia.

Yeah, that's unfortunate, really.  I'd be too nervous to take on something as open-ended as that.  I mean, with the rest of the crew we at least have SOME idea of their life before ME1.  We know two things about Benezia.

1. She's a powerful and respected matriarch.
2. She had Liara with another asari.

The fact that she's nearly 1000 at this point means that her history is pretty much Mass Effect's history, and I'd prefer to have the original writers come up with the framework for her character.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Benezia's story had the potential to be quite tragic. She allied herself with Saren in an attempt to guide him down a more benevolent path, but then suffered from the gradual erosion of her mind and free will. Ultimately, she was transformed into a completely different person altogether.

Liara could have also been incorporated into this, of course. A shame.

And Aethyta.

And Benezia's character can easily be fleshed out again, just do it via Aethtya and Liara.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah, that's unfortunate, really.  I'd be too nervous to take on something as open-ended as that.  I mean, with the rest of the crew we at least have SOME idea of their life before ME1.  We know two things about Benezia.

1. She's a powerful and respected matriarch.
2. She had Liara with another asari.

The fact that she's nearly 1000 at this point means that her history is pretty much Mass Effect's history, and I'd prefer to have the original writers come up with the framework for her character.

It is quite the undertaking.  I wanted to try it someday...not a full-blown fic focusing on Benezia but something involving Liara that shed some more light on what kind of person Benezia was.  Of course, it's almost 100% my own interpretation as we don't have much to go by.