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[scampermax]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I'd be interested in learning more about Benezia's story. She seems like she could be an interesting character beyond being a means to tie Liara to Saren.

Yes, but I think we will have to rely on fan fic to fill in the gaps.  Though, I don't know of many fics focusing more on Benezia.

This is only a chapter long, but I thought it was well done.
http://www.fanfictio...s_Possibilities

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Benezia's story had the potential to be quite tragic. She allied herself with Saren in an attempt to guide him down a more benevolent path, but then suffered from the gradual erosion of her mind and free will. Ultimately, she was transformed into a completely different person altogether.

Liara could have also been incorporated into this, of course. A shame.

And Aethyta.

And Benezia's character can easily be fleshed out again, just do it via Aethtya and Liara.

I got the Impression Liara either doesn't remember too many things about her mother or doesn't want to tell anyone - I get the impression it's some of both as she said  "I will remember her[benezia] for who she was"

Aethtya could be a problem, I don't think she knows too much about Benezia - considering they broke either before or soon after Liara was born) and what little she does know will be change by her opinion of Benezia. 'Screw up with saren' doesn't hint to Aethtya being too fond of Benezia... or having any good memories of her

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 05:39 .

[jlb524]

scampermax wrote...

This is only a chapter long, but I thought it was well done.
http://www.fanfictio...s_Possibilities

Ah, thanks..I haven't read that.

The only other one I could think of is this fic but it's not entirely Benezia focused...there's some stuff in there, though.

[IndigoWolfe]

I for one would really like to hear Liara actually talking in an asari language, like if Shepard's translator shorted out or something. I have this mental image of it sounding like russian.

Or is Liara supposed to be able to speak English, I wonder? That would be interesting, although personally it would strike me as a little Mary Sue-ish --if I'm using the term correctly-- at least in ME1. Maybe in ME2.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Benezia's story had the potential to be quite tragic. She allied herself with Saren in an attempt to guide him down a more benevolent path, but then suffered from the gradual erosion of her mind and free will. Ultimately, she was transformed into a completely different person altogether.

Liara could have also been incorporated into this, of course. A shame.

And Aethyta.

And Benezia's character can easily be fleshed out again, just do it via Aethtya and Liara.

I got the Impression Liara either doesn't remember too many things about her mother or doesn't want to tell anyone ( I get the impression it's some of both as she said  "I will remember her[benezia] for who she was"

Aethtya could be a problem, I don't think she knows too much about Benezia (considering they broke either before or soon after Liara was born) and what little she does know will be change by her opinion of Benezia. 'Screw up with saren' doesn't hint to Aethtya being too fond of Benezia... or having any good memories of her

I think aethyta knows alot about Benezia. I doubt they would go so far as having a child if they didn't really knew each other well. Unless Liara was just the result of some one night stand between them.

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

I think aethyta knows alot about Benezia. I doubt they would go so far as having a child if they didn't really knew each other well. Unless Liara was just the result of some one night stand between them.

I would guess that Aethyta probably knows the most about Benezia than anyone (Liara/Shiala included) given that they were lovers and melded on various occasions.

[Robhuzz]

^Sounds reasonable... Melding does give the two people acces to eachothers memories but does that mean after melding you'd know everything there is to know about your partner?



The one night stand doesn't seem too likely either... though Liara does mention some unions are a one time encounter (Asari equivalent of a one night stand?)

[jlb524]

Robhuzz wrote...

^Sounds reasonable... Melding does give the two people acces to eachothers memories but does that mean after melding you'd know everything there is to know about your partner?

The one night stand doesn't seem too likely either... though Liara does mention some unions are a one time encounter (Asari equivalent of a one night stand?)

Yeah, though I don't think you learn everything in one meld.  However, if the two were together for a long period of time and melded frequently then Aethyta would definitely have a pretty good picture of the person Benezia truly was.

It depends what type of relationship they had.  I'm guessing it wasn't simply a one-night stand, given that Benezia was hurt when the relationship went sour.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I for one would really like to hear Liara actually talking in an asari language, like if Shepard's translator shorted out or something. I have this mental image of it sounding like russian.

Somebody once suggested having a mission where everyones translator got broken. I liked the idea. Could be a good opportunity to show us how each species speak.

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I
think aethyta knows alot about Benezia. I doubt they would go so far as
having a child if they didn't really knew each other well. Unless Liara
was just the result of some one night stand between them.

I
would guess that Aethyta probably knows the most about Benezia than
anyone (Liara/Shiala included) given that they were lovers and melded on
various occasions.

Also a good point.

All Bioware have to do is to expand on Aethyta's character, and Benezia is bound to be expanded on aswell.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 20 janvier 2011 - 05:59 .

[TheMarshal]

scampermax wrote...

This is only a chapter long, but I thought it was well done.
http://www.fanfictio...s_Possibilities

That was a beautiful chapter.  Gonna have to bookmark it and read the rest later.

[jlb524]

I see you are writing a Shep/Liara fic, TheMarshal....I need to check that out.

[Robhuzz]

@jlb524/Lizardviking

Considering Aethyta would've known all about Benezia she would most likely understand exactely why Benezia joined up with Saren (it must've been in her character to try and help him). This must also mean Benezia and Aethyta broke up under quite unpleasant circumstances. Aethyta wouldn't be talking about Benezia as a 'screw up' unless she pretty much had a reason to... well... hate Benezia actually. That said, I rather doubt Aethyta would freely talk about Benezia as all the good memories of her are long gone and replaced by anger.

Though perhaps she would open up in front of Shepard and Liara if it was Liara who asked her. Liara seems to mean a great deal to her after all...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 06:06 .

[jlb524]

Robhuzz wrote...

@jlb524/Lizardviking

Considering Aethyta would've known all about Benezia she would most likely understand exactely why Benezia joined up with Saren (it must've been in her character to try and help him). This must also mean Benezia and Aethyta broke up under quite unpleasant circumstances. Aethyta wouldn't be talking about Benezia as a 'screw up' unless she pretty much had a reason to... well... hate Benezia actually. That said, I rather doubt Aethyta would freely talk about Benezia as all the good memories of her are long gone and replaced by anger.

I always thought that Aethyta would have mixed feelings regarding Benezia...I wouldn't say she hates her, but is probably pretty damn angry due to whatever happened between them earlier.

Robhuzz wrote...
Though perhaps she would open up in front of Shepard and Liara if it was Liara who asked her. Liara seems to mean a great deal to her after all...

Yeah, I see this as a possibility.  I'm guessing Liara's 'personal quest' in ME3 will involve Aethyta.   Liara (as a character) doesn't really have any other unresolved issues (post-LotSB) and the ME team loooooves their family drama

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I'm pretty sure Aethyta and Benezia broke up before the whole deal with Saren began. Since everything points towards them falling apart before/just after Liara was born.

[Robhuzz]

jlb524 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Though perhaps she would open up in front of Shepard and Liara if it was Liara who asked her. Liara seems to mean a great deal to her after all...

Yeah, I see this as a possibility.  I'm guessing Liara's 'personal quest' in ME3 will involve Aethyta.   Liara (as a character) doesn't really have any other unresolved issues (post-LotSB) and the ME team loooooves their family drama

I would love a personal quest for liara in ME3 and, quite frankly, if there was one I was sure it was about Aethyta, it stands to reason Liara would've read her own shadow broker file and through that have found out about her father. She would probably want to visit her and considering Shepard already knows Aethyta... maybe she'll invite Shepard to come along.

The only problem I see with this (and any other Non mission critical plot in ME3) is time. If it turns out the reapers are going to attack earth in.. possibly... ME3's opening scene then I don't see how Shepard could just do 'silly' assignments and side missions while his/her homeplanet is under siege. I'd love a liara oriented mission but unless ME3 plays out differently then I described above... I don't see it happening

Here's to hoping for a 'Liara meets Aethyta family reunion' assignment though

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
Here's to hoping for a 'Liara meets Aethyta family reunion' assignment though

We already had a discussion about this so I want to repeat this.

I just hope that when Shepard first meets Aethyta in ME3, it's because Aethyta is tracking down Shepard due to him being the last person Liara was with before dissapearing from the galaxy. So she tracks Shepard down in order to get information and perhaps revenge!

Imagine Shepard being pinned up against the wall by Aethyta's biotics, ready to snap his neck at any moment. Aethyta is furios and demands to know what happend with Liara. Then before Shepard can answer, Liara walks in.

Oh the drama! 

[Robhuzz]

^I followed this topic for quite some time before actually posting a reply so I vaguely remember that discussion. But thanks for repeating it.



Still... I like Aethyta but my Shepard is very badass, he wouldn't take kindly to threats, not even by a powerful asari matriarch. But.. for the sake of not hurting Liara's dad... I will have Shepard hold back a bit and not use that renegade interrupt when it appears. Just waiting to be rescued by Liara...(Again)

[JamieCOTC]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Here's to hoping for a 'Liara meets Aethyta family reunion' assignment though

We already had a discussion about this so I want to repeat this.

I just hope that when Shepard first meets Aethyta in ME3, it's because Aethyta is tracking down Shepard due to him being the last person Liara was with before dissapearing from the galaxy. So she tracks Shepard down in order to get information and perhaps revenge!

Imagine Shepard being pinned up against the wall by Aethyta's biotics, ready to snap his neck at any moment. Aethyta is furios and demands to know what happend with Liara. Then before Shepard can answer, Liara walks in.

Oh the drama! 

I imagined it. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I imagined it. 

<3

[jlb524]

Robhuzz wrote...

The only problem I see with this (and any other Non mission critical plot in ME3) is time. If it turns out the reapers are going to attack earth in.. possibly... ME3's opening scene then I don't see how Shepard could just do 'silly' assignments and side missions while his/her homeplanet is under siege. I'd love a liara oriented mission but unless ME3 plays out differently then I described above... I don't see it happening

I doubt that will be the beginning.  Also, this Aethyta plot doesn't have to play like the ME2 loyalty missions (where Shepard had to put the main quest on hold to complete a bunch of personal missions)...it could be that you just run into her somewhere.

Regardless, there will be some 'side missions' even if the galaxy is currently being destroyed.  That's how these games work. 

JamieCOTC wrote...

I imagined it.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Yeah, this is awesome.

"Uncomplicate it NOW!" 

Modifié par jlb524, 20 janvier 2011 - 06:48 .

[Robhuzz]

^I know that's how the game works but... don't you think it's somewhat inappropriate for humanity's greatest hero to take it nice and easy, complete a bunch of personal assignments and chat up his/her future... erm father in law a bit while his/her entire race is being destroyed?



It would certainly destroy all sense of:"We must move quickly if our, or any race is to survive" in ME3.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

^I know that's how the game works but... don't you think it's somewhat inappropriate for humanity's greatest hero to take it nice and easy, complete a bunch of personal assignments and chat up his/her future... erm father in law a bit while his/her entire race is being destroyed?

It would certainly destroy all sense of:"We must move quickly if our, or any race is to survive" in ME3.

Suspension of disbelief.

Beside. Having a small side-quest never hurt anybody as long as they are well written.

"EDIT"

I get what you mean. But small quest, as out-of-place as they are, helps give some depth to the universe.

ME3 needs to be paced so people don't feel compelled to rush through the main-story ASAP. I'm not saying that it should take forever, just that people can in the start of the game, relax and just enjoy the universe that have been created.

"NEW EDIT"

Yes. side-quest handed to the player at inapropiate moments hurts immersion.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 20 janvier 2011 - 06:56 .

[Robhuzz]

^Don't get me wrong. I don't mind side quests at all, as long as they're diverse enough not to become boring. What gets me is side quests on inapproriate moments (such as when your entire race is being slaughtered by sentient warships at a rate of 9 million a week)

I'm confident BioWare will fix that little problem though. ME3 is going to be the greatest game ever.. just watch.

Edit: I agree on not having to rush the first parts of the game. It would certainly make it more interesting if the 'mission timer' only started near the end. Pretty much the same thing as in ME2 where time only became of the essence after your crew was abducted. On all other moments I didn't have the slightest idea that i'd need to hurry up, and I liked it just fine...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 06:56 .