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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

^Don't get me wrong. I don't mind side quests at all, as long as they're diverse enough not to become boring. What gets me is side quests on inapproriate moments (such as when your entire race is being slaughtered by sentient warships at a rate of 9 million a week)

I'm confident BioWare will fix that little problem though. ME3 is going to be the greatest game ever.. just watch.

Edit: I agree on not having to rush the first parts of the game. It would certainly make it more interesting if the 'mission timer' only started near the end. Pretty much the same thing as in ME2 where time only became of the essence after your crew was abducted. On all other moments I didn't have the slightest idea that i'd need to hurry up, and I liked it just fine...

I think the "race against time" in ME3 should be placed near the end of the "mid-game". ME2's crew abduction happend just before the finale.  Basicly, ME3's endgame should happen earlier.

[jlb524]

Robhuzz wrote...

^I know that's how the game works but... don't you think it's somewhat inappropriate for humanity's greatest hero to take it nice and easy, complete a bunch of personal assignments and chat up his/her future... erm father in law a bit while his/her entire race is being destroyed?

It would certainly destroy all sense of:"We must move quickly if our, or any race is to survive" in ME3.

Why not?  It happened in ME2. 

[Robhuzz]

jlb524 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

^I know that's how the game works but... don't you think it's somewhat inappropriate for humanity's greatest hero to take it nice and easy, complete a bunch of personal assignments and chat up his/her future... erm father in law a bit while his/her entire race is being destroyed?

It would certainly destroy all sense of:"We must move quickly if our, or any race is to survive" in ME3.

Why not?  It happened in ME2. 

I suppose it did but the mission didn't feel that urgent to me. Before the crew was abducted I never had any sort of drive that told me: "You've got to hurry" on the contrary: I tried to make my first playthrough as long as possible. Have regular chats with crew and squadmembers, go for a stroll on a hub world. Listen to some npc banther (Gunnery chief especially)

[jlb524]

Robhuzz wrote...

I suppose it did but the mission didn't feel that urgent to me. Before the crew was abducted I never had any sort of drive that told me: "You've got to hurry" on the contrary: I tried to make my first playthrough as long as possible. Have regular chats with crew and squadmembers, go for a stroll on a hub world. Listen to some npc banther (Gunnery chief especially)

I'm not talking so much about the crew abduction but the thousands and thousands of colonists that kept getting abducted while Shepard ran around the galaxy.

[Robhuzz]

^So do I. I'm just saying I felt no real compulsion to really want to get to the suicide mission quickly so I could put a stop to the abductions. I imagine I'd apply more haste (or at least feel I should) if it was earth that was under constant attack by the reaper fleet.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

To brings this thread back to topic:

So the new comic that tells the origin of TIM is suggesting that the reason TIM's got those eyes are because of Reaper tech. Now this is interesting since Shepard got the exact same eyes, they are just red.

So if it turns out that Shepard have in fact been implanted with Reaper tech during the Lazarus project, would that bring back Liara's guilt for handing the body over? Even if Shepard is standing infront of her and they are together again.

[Robhuzz]

^That depends. Why would it be a bad thing if Shepard was implanted with reaper tech? We all know their tech is vastly superior to anything created by the council races or even the geth. That said, I don't see how it could hurt Shepard being implanted with it. (even though some people persist reaper tech = vulnerable to indoctrination)

I doubt Liara feels any more guilt over handing Shepard's body to cerberus after they get together again after LotSB. Shepard is happy and isn't angry with Liara. For Liara there's no reason to feel guilt...

Edit: Which comic are you talking about anyways? I didn't hear anything about a new comic

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:42 .

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

So if it turns out that Shepard have in fact been implanted with Reaper tech during the Lazarus project, would that bring back Liara's guilt for handing the body over? Even if Shepard is standing infront of her and they are together again.

I think it would bring the guilt back, yes.  It would be up to Shepard to either console Liara and assure her that she still did the right thing, or rage and get angry over it...possibly ending the romantic relationship if there is one.

This might be the perfect way to add some 'drama' to the ME3 relationship that doesn't involve something over the top like Liara becoming Indoctrinated and all that crap.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
Edit: Which comic are you talking about anyways? I didn't hear anything about a new comic

It's called evolution.

And yes. If it's true then it could be an easy way for having some drama, and good drama at that.

I just hate for her to beat herself up again. It was already heartbreaking enough hearing her confession for the first time playing ME2!

[Robhuzz]

@Lizardviking

I thought Liara did the right thing throughout that scene. Granted she didn't know what Shepard would've been in to and it was a purely selfish action but my Shepard was just thankfull Liara did what she did. Shepard's alive because of Liara and that's all that matters.



So I comforted her when she confessed she gave Shepard's body to Cerberus. Sure, we can spend a lot of time arguing about what if questions? What if Shepard had been implanted with a control chip? What if Shepard had turned out to be a completely different person? Fact is.. that never happened, so no sense dwelling on the past.



So in all honesty I didn't find that scene heartbreaking. I found it heartwarming when Liara's mood lightened when she realized Shepard wasn't angry with her at all. *Don't hate me for this plz*



Btw thanks for that title, I'll look into it :-)

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

To brings this thread back to topic:

So the new comic that tells the origin of TIM is suggesting that the reason TIM's got those eyes are because of Reaper tech. Now this is interesting since Shepard got the exact same eyes, they are just red.

So if it turns out that Shepard have in fact been implanted with Reaper tech during the Lazarus project, would that bring back Liara's guilt for handing the body over? Even if Shepard is standing infront of her and they are together again.

Hmm, well I always thought it was reaper tech like Saren, but I guess it's somewhat confirmed now. I think Liara would feel a bit guilty, but again, all Shepard has to say is "I'm just glad I'm with you again. The rest doesn't matter."

However, I do wonder if the Reapers would be able to take Shepard over. hmm.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 janvier 2011 - 08:22 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

@Lizardviking
I thought Liara did the right thing throughout that scene. Granted she didn't know what Shepard would've been in to and it was a purely selfish action but my Shepard was just thankfull Liara did what she did. Shepard's alive because of Liara and that's all that matters.

So I comforted her when she confessed she gave Shepard's body to Cerberus. Sure, we can spend a lot of time arguing about what if questions? What if Shepard had been implanted with a control chip? What if Shepard had turned out to be a completely different person? Fact is.. that never happened, so no sense dwelling on the past.

So in all honesty I didn't find that scene heartbreaking. I found it heartwarming when Liara's mood lightened when she realized Shepard wasn't angry with her at all. *Don't hate me for this plz*

Btw thanks for that title, I'll look into it :-)

Don't get me wrong. I didn't pick the "YOU BETRAYED ME!" option when she confessed what she did, but that didn't stop me for feelings bad about the whole ordeal. It's heartbreaking to know how far she went to do these things, and how she believed she betrayed you by giving you to Cerberus.

[TheMarshal]

Come on... "I couldn't let you go..." didn't tug at your heartstrings just a little?

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

Come on... "I couldn't let you go..." didn't tug at your heartstrings just a little?

I was crying the first time I heard that.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

However, I do wonder if the Reapers would be able to take Shepard over. hmm.

Overlord proved that Shepard can be assumed direct control of. Whatever force that's hacking him just need a direct connection. Perhaps Cerberus managed to turn off whatever part that allows the link between the Reapers and the subject. Which is why Harbinger didn't assume control of Shepard in ME2, Harbinger never had the chance to re-establish uplink.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Also. It's not 100% sure that the theory about Shepard being implanted with Reaper tech is true. Just so everyone knows it.

[Robhuzz]

TheMarshal wrote...

Come on... "I couldn't let you go..." didn't tug at your heartstrings just a little?

That part was just amazing, I actualy reloaded a quicksave from just before that to hear her say that again. I didn't experience it as a heartbreaking experience though. I considered it heartwarming. (in my opinion it's different, which is why you may have thought that scene didn't mean anything to me)

Rest assured - that scene did tug at my heartstrings - a lot

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 08:31 .

[jlb524]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

My Shepard is a survivalist/materialist. She would be grateful to Liara even if Cerebrus rebuilt her with a Geth arm (like Saren's). As long as she retains her memory/sanity, she doesn't care what tech is in her body (Reaper, Geth, Collector, whatever) as long as it functions perfectly as she wills it. She's an indomitable soldier and will keep on fighting so long as one cell/one transistor remains functional within her.

My Shepard is similar.  Also, she wouldn't blame Liara as Liara really had no idea what would be done to Shepard.  It was either hand the body to Cerberus or Shepard is no more.  As long as this doesn't hinder Shepard's efforts against the Reapers I see no problem with it. 

I'm sure some WILL have a problem with it and Liara will get even more flack....I'm curious what their reasons will be for this.

[TheMarshal]

I have a hard time imagining that anyone who romanced Liara would be truly upset at what she did to bring Shepard back.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

I have a hard time imagining that anyone who romanced Liara would be truly upset at what she did to bring Shepard back.

Yeah.

The ones who would hate her are the ones who already do.

[Robhuzz]

jlb524 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

My Shepard is a survivalist/materialist. She would be grateful to Liara even if Cerebrus rebuilt her with a Geth arm (like Saren's). As long as she retains her memory/sanity, she doesn't care what tech is in her body (Reaper, Geth, Collector, whatever) as long as it functions perfectly as she wills it. She's an indomitable soldier and will keep on fighting so long as one cell/one transistor remains functional within her.

My Shepard is similar.  Also, she wouldn't blame Liara as Liara really had no idea what would be done to Shepard.  It was either hand the body to Cerberus or Shepard is no more.  As long as this doesn't hinder Shepard's efforts against the Reapers I see no problem with it. 

I'm sure some WILL have a problem with it and Liara will get even more flack....I'm curious what their reasons will be for this.

Their reasons... let's see (I've thought about this while I was on lazarus station on my latest playthrough - caused me to think about what Liara did)

I suppose when you think what Cerberus did in ME1, conducting all kinds of horrible experiments on.. just about everything the question here is: What would they do with Shepard's body. Considering this, some people may be inclined to 'you gave my body to cerberus even though you knew what they were capable of' or 'Cerberus did all kinds of failed experiments, you gave my body to them just because you believed they would bring me back?'

I suppose I COULD become mad at Liara for what she did. Liara only had Cerberus' guarantee that they would TRY to bring Shepard back. But she had NO REASON WHATSOEVER to trust anything Cerberus said. so.. considering all that I'd say it's a valid reason to be angry at Liara for her (in shepard's opinion based on me1) misplaced trust in Cerberus. She simply could not know what would happen to Shepard and risked Shepard's potential freedom (if Miranda's control chip idea had been implanted) for her own selfish (beautifull but selfish) desire to have Shepard back. Or Cerberus could've done all kinds of experiments on Shepards body, maybe even try to clone him/her to make an army of Shepards (With TIM, you never know)

But in the end, all these feelings are overpowered by the simple fact that Liara risked her life for even the smallest chance to get her Shepard back. That's got to be one of the most beautifull things I've ever heard, thus... I am not not will I ever be mad at Liara for her actions.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 janvier 2011 - 09:04 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

I'm sure some WILL have a problem with it and Liara will get even more flack....I'm curious what their reasons will be for this.

If they do, they should also put the same flack to Miranda and TIM, since they were the ones who used the tech to put Shepard together, and were already going to get Shepard's body anyways.

With Liara, it was either destroy the body, let the Collectors have it, or give it to Cerberus to bring Shepard back. If Shepard doesn't like being alive, there's nothing stopping Shepard from eating a bullet.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

If they do, they should also put the same flack to Miranda and TIM, since they were the ones who used the tech to put Shepard together, and were already going to get Shepard's body anyways.

With Liara, it was either destroy the body, let the Collectors have it, or give it to Cerberus to bring Shepard back. If Shepard doesn't like being alive, there's nothing stopping Shepard from eating a bullet.

Those are my feelings as well.  Shepard can also go running around on Tuchanka...completely naked except for wearing a "I support the Genophage" sign.