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[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...


I would be interested in seeing what sort of changes she's making to the Shadow Broker's network.  In ME1, Anderson seemed to imply that the Shadow Broker was mostly just interested in maintaining the balance of power, never letting one side get too far ahead of the other.  Obviously with Vasir and selling Shepard's body to the Collector's, etc., we see that it is used for more sinister purposes, but they're not delved into in the games.

I think this is b/c the old SB's priorities changed when he found out about the Reapers...then he was interested in saving his own hide first and struck up a deal with the Collectors among other things.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

On a related note:

It's always nice to know that



a certain someone



will always be there for Shepard.

[jlb524]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

There appears to be an alternative, unused version of Liara's taking over speech @2:55 here. We'll have to wait and see if they do anything with in ME3.

On a related note, I don't think that a good person can run an ultimately evil organisation like the SB network but we've had that discussion before so I won't repeat it here.

I think that was cut b/c it would be incredibly unbelievable that Liara could begin turning around the network for the 'better' mere seconds after taking over.

I disagree that the SB network is inherintly evil but we'll see.

[TheMarshal]

I liked the duality of those scenes. I thought it was interesting how in LotSB there's no near-kiss. It really drove home that things had changed.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I liked the duality of those scenes. I thought it was interesting how in LotSB there's no near-kiss. It really drove home that things had changed.

Indeed, and it's an interesting echo and reprisal of what occurred in ME1, during the Normandy's lockdown. I've always thought it strange that Shepard walks away from Liara in that fashion, but I then realised that it's possible that she herself also feels uncomfortable and uneasy with the relationship, and does not know what to say to Liara.

Of course, it's open to interpretation.

I don't know why. But I felt it was some sort of respond for what Liara said one Azure hotel that Shepard just walked away from her.

Or it might be because Garrus was starting to feel uncomfortable lying under a pile of rubble!

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I liked the duality of those scenes. I thought it was interesting how in LotSB there's no near-kiss. It really drove home that things had changed.

Indeed, and it's an interesting echo and reprisal of what occurred in ME1, during the Normandy's lockdown. I've always thought it strange that Shepard walks away from Liara in that fashion, but I then realised that it's possible that she herself also feels uncomfortable and uneasy with the relationship, and does not know what to say to Liara.

Of course, it's open to interpretation.

I think she's very uncertain about how things are between them.  Even if you paragon-interrupt-kiss her, she bumbles around when you bring up "us" later on.  "About the kiss...  We had just finished the battle...  It's been two years...  I don't want to put pressure on you..."

My headcanon has a LOT more subtext that is somewhat contradictory to how it plays out on screen.  Lots of fear and anger and angst.  Gonna make for some good writin' someday!  :happy:

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I think she's very uncertain about how things are between them.  Even if you paragon-interrupt-kiss her, she bumbles around when you bring up "us" later on.  "About the kiss...  We had just finished the battle...  It's been two years...  I don't want to put pressure on you..."

My headcanon has a LOT more subtext that is somewhat contradictory to how it plays out on screen.  Lots of fear and anger and angst.  Gonna make for some good writin' someday!  :happy:

She's definitely uncertain...the whole situation with Shepard coming back from the dead is very pecuilar and seems to come out of a Daytime Soap Opera. 

I add more in my head canon too.  I don't know why...it keeps me from getting bored at work, I guess.

[jlb524]

I doubt the romance was on either of Shepard or Liara's minds immediately following the battle.

[jlb524]

Of course not!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I don't know why. But I felt it was some sort of respond for what Liara said one Azure hotel that Shepard just walked away from her.

Or it might be because Garrus was starting to feel uncomfortable lying under a pile of rubble!

Yup. Within my headcanon, Shepard feels a little uncomfortable when Liara is standing infront of her, and doesn't really know what to say. The awkward silence is then interrupted by Miranda regaining consciousness, which prompts Shepard to turn away from Liara and avoid addressing the romance.

It's an interesting exchange, though.

Something like that.

Liara said she couldn't get into it right now, Shepard decided to help whatever squadmate he had with him out and give Liara a moment for herself.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

She's definitely uncertain...the whole situation with Shepard coming back from the dead is very pecuilar and seems to come out of a Daytime Soap Opera. 

I add more in my head canon too.  I don't know why...it keeps me from getting bored at work, I guess.

Oh it's totally soap-opera.

Shepard: Liara!  It's me!  I'm back...  from the dead!
*dramatic music*
Liara: I know.  I was the one who recovered your body...
*dramatic music*
Liara: ...from space aliens...
*dramatic music*
Liara: ...and gave it to your sworn enemy!
*super-dramatic music*


I just ran LotSB again last night, and the entire time I was thinking "Wow...  this isn't at ALL how I saw it playing out in my head..."  It's like, they're okay with how things are, but still aren't able to get the relationship back on track.  Then all of a sudden the Shadow Broker is dead and everything is hunky-dory.

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Of course not!

Quit complainin' then, yo!

"Have you ever face an asari commando unit before?"
"No...  but I kinda want to now!"  <3<3

[Tancho]

jlb524 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

There appears to be an alternative, unused version of Liara's taking over speech @2:55 here. We'll have to wait and see if they do anything with in ME3.

On a related note, I don't think that a good person can run an ultimately evil organisation like the SB network but we've had that discussion before so I won't repeat it here.

I think that was cut b/c it would be incredibly unbelievable that Liara could begin turning around the network for the 'better' mere seconds after taking over.

I disagree that the SB network is inherintly evil but we'll see.

First off, that was a ton of dialogue. Yeesh. I'd be game for some fluff dialogue between Shep and Liara...anyways.

I agree with you, @jlb. I don' think things like information brokering is inherently good or evil. It's simply how you utilize it. If you feed information to batarian slavers so that they can kidnap and kill entire colonies, that would be more on the evil side. 

But, overall, trading information may seem a bit shady, but you can't necessarily peg it as good or evil. There may be some difficult situations where people get hurt, but even Paragon's have to make tough choices sometimes. So, overall, unless Liara gets diluted with power, I'm sure it'll be fine.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I just ran LotSB again last night, and the entire time I was thinking "Wow...  this isn't at ALL how I saw it playing out in my head..."  It's like, they're okay with how things are, but still aren't able to get the relationship back on track.  Then all of a sudden the Shadow Broker is dead and everything is hunky-dory.

Yeah, I think killing the Shadow Broker acted like a cartharsis for Liara....afterwards, she was finally able put the past two years behind her (which included mourning for Shepard) and move on and look forward to the future.  This included aiding Shepard with the Reapers and possibly allowing herself to feel for Shepard again.   Even if un-romanced she desperately desires to be friends with Shepard...I guess she wants to reform a connection she had prior to this whole nightmare starting.

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Ericzio wrote...

Speaking of sheps death, by any chance did any of you guys make shepard die in me2?
I wounder how liara will react in me3 when she finds out he died again. if you went that way and romanced liara as well. so many ways to make this game un-fold i love it!

I did make a fail-Shep for kicks.

As for Liara would react. She would be pretty devasted, it's bad enough things went rather bad on Illium. They never had a proper goodbye.

And if you don't know yet, Shepard getting killed on the collector base is non-canon.

[Stealthy Giraffe]

Ericzio wrote...

Speaking of sheps death, by any chance did any of you guys make shepard die in me2?
I wounder how liara will react in me3 when she finds out he died again. if you went that way and romanced liara as well. so many ways to make this game un-fold i love it!

No. I'm far too attached to my character and invested in her story to let that happen (when it's within my control). Far too much sadness down that route

EDIT: As far as Liara is concerned, my Shep would hate to put her through that again, and would therefore do everything in her power to make it through.

Modifié par Stealthy Giraffe, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:15 .

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Ericzio wrote...

He probably can die in me3 as well, just watch being full paragon is going to bite me in the ass sooner or later and it could be death, Earth is under attack and seeing how a renegade would leave the scene cause they don't want to die. I know that a paragon would never do that, i rather die as a hero than live as a infamous hero. I'm hoping that this will never come close to being related to me3

Yeah. I would actuelly like if Shepard can die in ME3, as long as it is not mandotory of course. And it isn't the result of Shepard being an incompetent leader.

As for the rest, I hope there soon be some sort of consequence for being paragon (renegade's too of course, but they seem to have more negative things than positive things going for them in ME2, so it's time for paragons to bite the dust), I doubt renegade's would flee from the scene of battle, renegade can be about ruthless efficiency.

I just wonder what Liara will do afterwards if Shepard fails to keep his promise about coming back.

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

I just wonder what Liara will do afterwards if Shepard fails to keep his promise about coming back.

Shoot herself and come after him so she can kick the crap out of his dead ass.