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[darthbuert]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Here's a vid with Ali Hillis and Jennifer Hale at the VGA's, for those interested.

*continues fangirl squeeing*

>joins in<

I can't help it.  Hillis busting out the Liara voice was too awesome!

It was awesome²! I love the sultry Liara voice. It gave me chills.

Modifié par darthbuert, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[rvayda141]

I'd like to see Ali and Jen in more games together, they've got some nice chemistry goin' on and I'd like to see Ali in more games in general; Liara is awesome and she did good with Lightning in FFXIII.

If somewhere down the line, maybe even for ME3 if Liara has a big enough part, they both end up as nominees for best female voice actress, who would you guys vote for? That's a tough one.

[pacer90]

Lizardviking wrote...

After the teaser trailer, I thought of one thing.

I hope Shepard is able to keep the promise he made. Because the odds looks like they are stacked against him.

If we're forced into a "Sacrifice Shepard for the good of the galaxy" or something along those lines I will be incredibly disappointed in bioware.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pacer90 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

After the teaser trailer, I thought of one thing.

I hope Shepard is able to keep the promise he made. Because the odds looks like they are stacked against him.

If we're forced into a "Sacrifice Shepard for the good of the galaxy" or something along those lines I will be incredibly disappointed in bioware.

I don't think Shepard is bound to get killed in ME3. But I do believe that he's only a few choices away from dieing in the endgame.

[darthbuert]

Valagil wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I agree on the second point.  Shepard (especially if romancing Liara) should have been able to express more grief to Liara over killing Benezia in addition perhaps offering Liara more comfort. 

I agree. I would have loved for Shepard and Liara to be able to talk about that in more detail. Instead, it is almost as if Liara completely brushes Shepard off.

Then again, I remember after Virmire, seeking out Liara for comfort and she had nothing to say to Shepard. I was really hoping for more dialog there as well.

Yeah, I was hoping for more dialog and conversation options to further develop their relationship and provide additional reassurance and comfort after these crucial emotional moments. Plus what always bothered me about the situation is that if you take Liara with you to Noveria Liara effectively aids in the murder of her own mother if you think about it. She may not have made the killing-blow, but her death was definitely brought about as a direct result of your fight with her. I would have liked to see some sort of emotional or verbal continuance of this fact.

[bjdbwea]

Benezia was the one who unfortunately attacked the group, so Shepard and Liara acted in self-defense. There certainly could and probably should have been a longer discussion about that though, but of course you can only write and record a certain amount of dialogue. Unlike in several occasions in ME 2, I never thought that in ME 1 dialogue was missing at any point that absolutely needed to be there.

[Tarahiro]

If it's possible to die at the end of ME3 and if Liara is killable, I hope they're both optional. I mean the DLC for ME2 gave us the chance to continue the relationship so i'd be gutted if an end to it is forced on us in the story.



I worked really hard not to cheat on her. Well, maybe not 'really' hard. I mean....'the priiiize' isn't very tempting But still. I stayed loyal, so would like to see some cute scenes in 3

[Sparrow44]

Hi Liara fans!

I have 2 thoughts on Liara in ME3:

Given that the previous Shadow Broker was in contact with Harbinger, do you think Liara (disguised by the SB's voice) would try to contact the Reapers in some form, perhaps to stall them or create a diversion for there arrival in space by feeding them misinformation. Would even Liara be able to pull something like that off?

And also I'd say the relationship between Shepard and Liara throughout ME1 and ME2 is kinda close whether players romanced Liara or not. Especially with what they both went through do you think at some point in ME3 where Shepard and co. are fighting for their lives against the Reapers that Liara may have to leave the SB Base to join the fight and possibly return as a squadmate? I just can't imagine Liara twiddling her thumbs by herself on a massive ship while the invasion is going on with the possibility of the Reapers taking over. What does everyone think?

[pacer90]

Sparroww I can't help but feel that something will happen to the Shadow Broker base. Either it becomes destroyed or Liara needs to leave for whatever reason. Between Feron staying... the VI and the overall atmosphere it just seems ripe for a massive change.



So yes, I think that Liara will be off-SB ship at some point. Maybe wishful thinking, but I just can't shake that feeling.

[jlb524]

Sparroww wrote...

Given that the previous Shadow Broker was in contact with Harbinger, do you think Liara (disguised by the SB's voice) would try to contact the Reapers in some form, perhaps to stall them or create a diversion for there arrival in space by feeding them misinformation. Would even Liara be able to pull something like that off?

I think the previous Shadow Broker was in contact with Harbinger through a Collector.  I don't think the Reapers should necessarily know that there is a new Shadow Broker.  It is possible that they could try again to offer the Shadow Broker 'salvation' in exchange for something they want (like, information).  Then, Liara could feed them bad information if this were to occur.  Judging by the trailer, though, it appears as if the Reapers aren't really using subtle means like, information.  They're just coming in with guns blazing.   Of course, there's more to the story than that short trailer, so who knows?

Sparroww wrote...

And also I'd say the relationship between Shepard and Liara throughout ME1 and ME2 is kinda close whether players romanced Liara or not. Especially with what they both went through do you think at some point in ME3 where Shepard and co. are fighting for their lives against the Reapers that Liara may have to leave the SB Base to join the fight and possibly return as a squadmate? I just can't imagine Liara twiddling her thumbs by herself on a massive ship while the invasion is going on with the possibility of the Reapers taking over. What does everyone think?

I think Liara will be a later addition as a squad mate in ME3.  I think she will act more as a 'quest giver' early on, until things really heat up and then she'll join Shepard's crew for the final act/showdown.

[Chief Martini]

I hope Liara will be a squadmate from the beginning, and that Feron will give you updates and all.

[Sparrow44]

I'm eager to see what Liara has up her sleeve for against the Reapers, talking to Liara at the end of LotSB brings up the Prothean/Collector/Reaper triangle that is barely mentioned in ME2 and seemed to hint at Shepard's possible next step in the story.

Other than that I really can't see the 'united races take down a common enemy' at the finale, there's gotta be more to it than that. Another reason why I think Liara will have a bigger role in ME3.

[Captain Iglo]

Sparroww wrote...

Other than that I really can't see the 'united races take down a common enemy' at the finale, there's gotta be more to it than that. Another reason why I think Liara will have a bigger role in ME3.

With the final battle I expect a nearly 100% copy of the Kotor final...with you on the main enemy ship and giving orders to the fleet outside with occasional cutscenes of the battle and some big decisions in the end.
In that moment a Shadow broker in her base wouldnt be of any use anymore...so I expect at least then Liara to join the Team.
Im so hoping that I can be able to look forward for the glorious moment where I stand infront of the final boss with Liara to my right and Samara to my left!.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:05 .

[darthbuert]

jlb524 wrote...

Sparroww wrote...

Given that the previous Shadow Broker was in contact with Harbinger, do you think Liara (disguised by the SB's voice) would try to contact the Reapers in some form, perhaps to stall them or create a diversion for there arrival in space by feeding them misinformation. Would even Liara be able to pull something like that off?

I think the previous Shadow Broker was in contact with Harbinger through a Collector.  I don't think the Reapers should necessarily know that there is a new Shadow Broker.  It is possible that they could try again to offer the Shadow Broker 'salvation' in exchange for something they want (like, information).  Then, Liara could feed them bad information if this were to occur.  Judging by the trailer, though, it appears as if the Reapers aren't really using subtle means like, information.  They're just coming in with guns blazing.   Of course, there's more to the story than that short trailer, so who knows?

Sparroww wrote...

And also I'd say the relationship between Shepard and Liara throughout ME1 and ME2 is kinda close whether players romanced Liara or not. Especially with what they both went through do you think at some point in ME3 where Shepard and co. are fighting for their lives against the Reapers that Liara may have to leave the SB Base to join the fight and possibly return as a squadmate? I just can't imagine Liara twiddling her thumbs by herself on a massive ship while the invasion is going on with the possibility of the Reapers taking over. What does everyone think?

I think Liara will be a later addition as a squad mate in ME3.  I think she will act more as a 'quest giver' early on, until things really heat up and then she'll join Shepard's crew for the final act/showdown.

It was brought up in an earlier post that Liara's expertise in Prothean history and Shepard's acquisition of the cipher may somehow help them piece together a plan or viable means to stop the Reapers. I'm hoping that this will eventually lead them to investigate a past archeological dig-site (via a conjoined mission where Liara actually comes along on a mission) of Liara's where she had found some important information on the Reapers but perhaps didn't realise the grave importance of such information at the time because of not having Shepard with her and the cipher locked away in his/her brain to understand what it meant...their joining forces may provide a way to translate the important clues.

[jlb524]

darthbuert wrote...

It was brought up in an earlier post that Liara's expertise in Prothean history and Shepard's acquisition of the cipher may somehow help them piece together a plan or viable means to stop the Reapers. I'm hoping that this will eventually lead them to investigate a past archeological dig-site (via a conjoined mission where Liara actually comes along on a mission) of Liara's where she had found some important information on the Reapers but perhaps didn't realise the grave importance of such information at the time because of not having Shepard with her and the cipher locked away in his/her brain to understand what it meant...their joining forces may provide a way to translate the important clues.

Yes, I was thinking something similar to that could happen.   Liara just has a ton of information at her disposal, plus her own knowledge about the Protheans (due to studying them for 50 years).  I think if anyone has the resources and skills to piece together the key to stopping the Reapers, it's Liara (with Shepard's Cipher as an aid).

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'm actually curious as to how dialogue and interaction between the Shadow Broker and the Collectors began. The Shadow Broker knew about Harbinger, the Reapers and the Collectors as far back as ME1, when he offered to help prove Saren's guilt to the Citadel Council. Given this fact, did the Shadow Broker perceive it to be a fortunate coincidence when the Harbinger-possessed Collector General contacted him about a possible alliance, and hired him to recover Shepard's body? Or, did the Shadow Broker attempt to gain Harbinger's attention, and promise it that he was the only individual who could provide Shepard's body, as he states at the end of Redemption #1?

My guess is that the Shadow Broker first obtained Shepard's body and then decided to use it as leverage with the Collectors (and of course, the Reapers).  They yahg just wanted to save his own hide, first and foremost.  

They Yahg Broker may have known that the Collectors were looking for Shepard's body (he may even had known that they were the ones who attacked the Normandy) so he then went and contacted them.

I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

[adneate]

I think the whole Reapers trying to get Shepard's body would make more sense if they also wanted Liara too. Since then it would be clear what they want, they want to get rid of the people who know the truth about the coming Reaper invasion due to the Prothean beacons. Of which there are only three people in the galaxy who have ever seen the vision: Saren, Shepard and Liara.



Saren of course worked for them, whereas Shepard and Liara actively undermined them. Getting rid of those two would be most beneficial to their cause since everyone else refuses to believe or doesn't really understand the true magnitude of what's coming.

[Sparrow44]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think Harbinger believes the acquisition of Shepard's body to be crucial to its plans, as it was willing to continue on as normal during the two years prior to the events of ME2. Additionally, if LotSB is completed pre-suicide mission, the Shadow Broker will mention that the Collectors' offer still stands. As a result, I don't think Shepard's body is of the utmost importance to Harbinger. However it is something that it finds desirable regardless.

I'm pretty sure Liara could find an archive of the Broker's transmissions to Harbinger and possibly find out Harbinger's motivations for wanting Shepards body, even during Collector missions some of Harby's battle quotes are stuff like "preserve Shepards body" so I'm guessing Harby had a plan in mind for the corpse regardless of how he acquired it.
Either way I wouldn't be suprised if there is one final piece of the puzzle connected to the Protheans, and given her background in ME1 I'm sure Liara would jump at the chance to go relic hunting with Shepard by her side to unlock the Reaper mystery.

[jlb524]

adneate wrote...

I think the whole Reapers trying to get Shepard's body would make more sense if they also wanted Liara too. Since then it would be clear what they want, they want to get rid of the people who know the truth about the coming Reaper invasion due to the Prothean beacons. Of which there are only three people in the galaxy who have ever seen the vision: Saren, Shepard and Liara.

Yes, that would make sense.  Though other squad mates believe Shepard about the Reapers, only Liara has actually seen the vision of their invasion, along with Shepard.  I don't know if there will be another clue found in the visions or not...it's possible.  I think there was only one tiny reference to Shepard's ME1 Prothean visions in ME2 (during some N7 mission), so it's possible that they may come in to play again in ME3.

RE: The Collectors/Reapers...according to cut Liara ME3 audio, they just wanted Shepard's body to study it, as the Commander was the one that stopped their vanguard.  I wouldn't call this canon as it's been cut, but that may give us a clue what BioWare was thinking when they wrote that plot.

[Sparrow44]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Sparroww wrote...

I'm pretty sure Liara could find an archive of the Broker's transmissions to Harbinger and possibly find out Harbinger's motivations for wanting Shepards body, even during Collector missions some of Harby's battle quotes are stuff like "preserve Shepards body" so I'm guessing Harby had a plan in mind for the corpse regardless of how he acquired it.
Either way I wouldn't be suprised if there is one final piece of the puzzle connected to the Protheans, and given her background in ME1 I'm sure Liara would jump at the chance to go relic hunting with Shepard by her side to unlock the Reaper mystery.

I know, but I'm saying that Harbinger did not believe that the acquisition of Shepard's body was of the utmost importance to its plans. He may have had plans for it, but that does not mean that it believed it to be crucial to acquire it. I think it would have ordered the Collectors to hunt Shepard down more aggressively if that were the case. If Shepard's body was acquired, then great. If not, it will not deal a devastating blow to its plans at all.

"Battle trophy maybe, would a machine care about that?"

All I know is Liara is due a larger role in ME3 and hopefully there's a happy ending for Shepard and Liara.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...

I think the whole Reapers trying to get Shepard's body would make more sense if they also wanted Liara too. Since then it would be clear what they want, they want to get rid of the people who know the truth about the coming Reaper invasion due to the Prothean beacons. Of which there are only three people in the galaxy who have ever seen the vision: Saren, Shepard and Liara.

Yes, that would make sense.  Though other squad mates believe Shepard about the Reapers, only Liara has actually seen the vision of their invasion, along with Shepard.  I don't know if there will be another clue found in the visions or not...it's possible.  I think there was only one tiny reference to Shepard's ME1 Prothean visions in ME2 (during some N7 mission), so it's possible that they may come in to play again in ME3.

RE: The Collectors/Reapers...according to cut Liara ME3 audio, they just wanted Shepard's body to study it, as the Commander was the one that stopped their vanguard.  I wouldn't call this canon as it's been cut, but that may give us a clue what BioWare was thinking when they wrote that plot.

Doesn't Shiala also know? Or maybe she just got Cipher and did not bother doing anything else than give it to Shepard.

[adneate]

Lizardviking wrote...
Doesn't Shiala also know? Or maybe she just got Cipher and did not bother doing anything else than give it to Shepard.

The Cipher is only one part you also need the other two beacons. Shiala does not have the other two parts.