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[TheMarshal]

In case anyone was interested, I just posted a second chapter to A Good Night.  FemShep/Liara fluff story.

Thanks to pacer90 for the beta-reading!

Modifié par TheMarshal, 22 janvier 2011 - 08:19 .

[Mithran88]

Go go Liara!

[Mithran88]

Oh.. and I'm back lol, its been months. How goes it everyone!? Still high hopes for Liara I have not been paying attention till now in a long time, Final Fantasy XIV has been keeping me busy. Lucky time has passed so fast and ME3 is right around the corner ^.^

[drwells123]

TheMarshal wrote...

In case anyone was interested, I just posted a second chapter to A Good Night.  FemShep/Liara fluff story.

Thanks to pacer90 for the beta-reading!

Perfect timing, as I can't sleep. Now trying to figure out what snack to have while reading. Thanks!

Modifié par drwells123, 22 janvier 2011 - 12:24 .

[jtav]

Title: Last Night of the World
Pairing: Miranda/Liara
Rating: R
Summary: "I told you that it had once been customary to allow soldiers about to go into battle to spend the night with whoever they wished." Miranda prepares to face the Collectors. Liara provides the only comfort she can.

Last Night of the World

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jtav wrote...

Title: Last Night of the World
Pairing: Miranda/Liara
Rating: R
Summary: "I told you that it had once been customary to allow soldiers about to go into battle to spend the night with whoever they wished." Miranda prepares to face the Collectors. Liara provides the only comfort she can.

Last Night of the World

Shouldn't you be finishing "Persistance of memory"?

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

In case anyone was interested, I just posted a second chapter to A Good Night.  FemShep/Liara fluff story.

Thanks to pacer90 for the beta-reading!

Awesome!  I am enjoying this story so far.  

[leeboi2]

I think we can all agree, when I say 'Liara '

[jlb524]

Tancho wrote...

She's very pessimistic and basically treats the relationship with the 'meh, we're gonna die soon, so who cares' attitude.

My impression wasn't that Shepard believes the relationship is 'meh' or doesn't care about it.  I think she's just very frustrated and angry because, realistically, they probably will die before the Reapers are all done for.  To me, Shepard is being very bitter and cynical and is unfortunately taking it out on Liara at that time.  She's afraid to have any hope for the couple's future to avoid further pain/disappointment down the road...it's almost as if Shepard is saying these things for herself and not for Liara.  But I think she still does care for and possibly even love Liara (at least, I don't think that specific scene necessarily precludes that stuff).  To even get to that point, Shepard still had to kiss Liara at the Shadow Broker base and/or ask Liara to come for drinks.

I can see this reaction appropriate for some Shepards...especially those that had faced loss of loved ones before and are afraid of getting hurt like that again...notably Colonists or Sole Survivors.

[Master Shiori]

jlb524 wrote...

My impression wasn't that Shepard believes the relationship is 'meh' or doesn't care about it.  I think she's just very frustrated and angry because, realistically, they probably will die before the Reapers are all done for.  To me, Shepard is being very bitter and cynical and is unfortunately taking it out on Liara at that time.  She's afraid to have any hope for the couple's future to avoid further pain/disappointment down the road...it's almost as if Shepard is saying these things for herself and not for Liara.  But I think she still does care for and possibly even love Liara (at least, I don't think that specific scene necessarily precludes that stuff).  To even get to that point, Shepard still had to kiss Liara at the Shadow Broker base and/or ask Liara to come for drinks.

I can see this reaction appropriate for some Shepards...especially those that had faced loss of loved ones before and are afraid of getting hurt like that again...notably Colonists or Sole Survivors.

But isn't it an odd thing to say after you've rekindled the romance in Shadow Borker's base, despite Liara suggesting that maybe both of you need a bit more time before resuming the relationship?
I would understand it if Liara was coming on to Shepard and trying to get back what they shared at any cost, but in this case it's basically Shepard herself who says she's ok with it one moment and then changing her mind the next.
Kind of similar how you can pursue a romance with other LI's all the way to the start of the suicide mission and then suddenly just dump them out of the blue. Doesn't make much sense unless you're set on playing a Shepard who's a complete ass to everyone around him for no good reason..

Modifié par Master Shiori, 22 janvier 2011 - 03:38 .

[jlb524]

Master Shiori wrote...

But isn't it an odd thing to say after you've rekindled the romance in Shadow Borker's base, despite Liara suggesting that maybe both of you need a bit more time before resuming the relationship?
I would understand it if Liara was coming on to Shepard and trying to get back what they shared at any cost, but in this case it's basically Shepard herself who says she's ok with it one moment and then changing her mind the next.
Kind of similar how you can pursue a romance with other LI's all the way to the start of the suicide mission and then suddenly just dump them out of the blue. Doesn't make much sense unless you're set on playing a Shepard who's a complete ass to everyone around him for no good reason..

I agree it's odd behavior from Shepard and probably 'unhealthy'.   Though, I don't think this scene is an end to the relationship...it's just that Shepard was being overly cynical and gloomy.  I think it can fit certain Shepards if you choose to roleplay her as such.

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Your writing skills are
impressive, TheMarshal! I look forward to the next chapter of the story.  I think you've captured Liara's character extremely well. Excellent work.

Thanks!  I'm worried how she's coming across, since the story focuses on Alice Shepard's POV.  I really want to try writing something from Liara's perspective, which will give me a chance to get inside her head a little better.

LizardViking wrote...
Shouldn't you be finishing "Persistance of memory"? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I'm of two minds for finishing Persistence of Memory.  On the one hand, it's a very compelling read, and I want to see what happens next.  On the other, the last time I saw Miranda in-game I wanted to choke her out for making moves on my girl!

Modifié par TheMarshal, 22 janvier 2011 - 05:45 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

But isn't it an odd thing to say after you've rekindled the romance in Shadow Borker's base, despite Liara suggesting that maybe both of you need a bit more time before resuming the relationship?
I would understand it if Liara was coming on to Shepard and trying to get back what they shared at any cost, but in this case it's basically Shepard herself who says she's ok with it one moment and then changing her mind the next.
Kind of similar how you can pursue a romance with other LI's all the way to the start of the suicide mission and then suddenly just dump them out of the blue. Doesn't make much sense unless you're set on playing a Shepard who's a complete ass to everyone around him for no good reason..

I agree it's odd behavior from Shepard and probably 'unhealthy'.   Though, I don't think this scene is an end to the relationship...it's just that Shepard was being overly cynical and gloomy.  I think it can fit certain Shepards if you choose to roleplay her as such.

You have to remember that it's just a game. Bioware can give you options, but they have no control over when you use them, and in what order.

[Tancho]

jlb524 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

But isn't it an odd thing to say after you've rekindled the romance in Shadow Borker's base, despite Liara suggesting that maybe both of you need a bit more time before resuming the relationship?
I would understand it if Liara was coming on to Shepard and trying to get back what they shared at any cost, but in this case it's basically Shepard herself who says she's ok with it one moment and then changing her mind the next.
Kind of similar how you can pursue a romance with other LI's all the way to the start of the suicide mission and then suddenly just dump them out of the blue. Doesn't make much sense unless you're set on playing a Shepard who's a complete ass to everyone around him for no good reason..

I agree it's odd behavior from Shepard and probably 'unhealthy'.   Though, I don't think this scene is an end to the relationship...it's just that Shepard was being overly cynical and gloomy.  I think it can fit certain Shepards if you choose to roleplay her as such.

See, this is why I said she was 'meh' with those lines -

My Shepard is so far the other way, that those lines are simply unplayable. My RP Shep wouldn't say something like that, so that's why I feel that those lines are more 'meh, who cares'. Having just defeated the Collectors, and Saren before, I think my Shepard is a little more hopeful than that, confident enough to have dreams - like being Liara's bond mate and having children. 


So, that's why I feel those lines sound 'meh'. I just can't hear Shepard saying them. At least, I can't hear my Shepard saying them. 

[jbauck]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

But isn't it an odd thing to say after you've rekindled the romance in Shadow Borker's base, despite Liara suggesting that maybe both of you need a bit more time before resuming the relationship?
I would understand it if Liara was coming on to Shepard and trying to get back what they shared at any cost, but in this case it's basically Shepard herself who says she's ok with it one moment and then changing her mind the next.
Kind of similar how you can pursue a romance with other LI's all the way to the start of the suicide mission and then suddenly just dump them out of the blue. Doesn't make much sense unless you're set on playing a Shepard who's a complete ass to everyone around him for no good reason..

I agree it's odd behavior from Shepard and probably 'unhealthy'.   Though, I don't think this scene is an end to the relationship...it's just that Shepard was being overly cynical and gloomy.  I think it can fit certain Shepards if you choose to roleplay her as such.

You have to remember that it's just a game. Bioware can give you options, but they have no control over when you use them, and in what order.

Well, renegading the cabin scene is for Dumb Shepard.  Some Shepard's are dumb. 

But, in all seriousness, if renegading the cabin scene doesn't flip the romance flag off (and has anyone done this pre-SM to see if Liara's picture is still up?), this option is for angst-monkeys who don't want to "finish" the rocky second chapter of the romance until ME3.  Totally valid rp-option, especially if the cabin scene is pre-SM.  Shepard is still looking at an honest-to-goodness suicide mission at that point.  I can see Shepard being conflicted and very much wanting to get back together with Liara, but ultimately deciding that hurting her now will make it hurt less if she doesn't come back from the SM.

I really might do that in the playthrough I'm running now.  As a colonist with emotional issues, my newest Shepard has really kept people at arm's length - and it's not because she can't handle the idea of losing someone she cares about again, but being terrified of having someone care about her.  She lives a very violent and dangerous life, and the idea of someone giving a damn about whether or not she lives or dies is something she doesn't handle well because she knows there's a very high likelihood she's going to meet a messy and violent end.  The only reason she allowed herself to open up to Liara in the first place was Liara's explanation about how asari take a "philosophical approach" to losing their partners.

Obviously, Liara didn't take the "philosophical approach" to losing Shepard when and how she did when Shep got spaced, but my newest Shep didn't see that coming.  She really thought Liara would be all right if she died.  So, she's very conflicted about her relationship with Liara: it's something she really, really wants, but she's terrified of letting Liara down again.  I can totally see this Shepard getting caught up in the moment and going for the paragon-interrupt kiss at the end up LotSB, and then basically chickening out in the cabin scene.  Of course, I want those two crazy kids to make it, so I'll have to restore if fully renegading the cabin scene ends the romance entirely, but this very stupid option is consistent with how I see this particular Shep.

[TMA LIVE]

The renegade Cabin scene isn't ending the relationship. If anything, it just puts you back into ME2 territory, where the relationship is still up in the air.

[jlb524]

The picture was still up after I went through all that renegade dialog. I'm not sure if that means anything....I think the picture stays up as long as you romanced Liara in ME1...I think that romance flag controls the pic status but nothing in LotSB.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

The picture was still up after I went through all that renegade dialog. I'm not sure if that means anything....I think the picture stays up as long as you romanced Liara in ME1...I think that romance flag controls the pic status but nothing in LotSB.

Did Liara say "Thanks for coming by" or "Shepard! I'm glad you're here" when you visited her after the cabin-reuinion scene?? If she said the first one, then I guess the romance is still active.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:11 .

[TMA LIVE]

Ericzio wrote...

If you choose the "death, most likely" dialogue than you have no hope for your shepard or you want to end the relationship with liara, might as well kill off your shepard at the end of me2 if you are like that right? Honestly sometimes Bioware makes the weirdest decisions in dialoge choices. I have not met one person who has unintentionally killed their shepard or picked the lower dialogue for that matter.
@jlb you have to cheat on her to get the pic down nothing else will bring it down.

Choosing the "Death" option isn't saying you want to end the relationship. It's saying you expect to die in the Reaper attack. However, you can tell her "It's not tomorrow yet", which means you want to keep the relationship going, despite believing your chances are slim.

Shepard is only being dumb, because he could also say "I don't see the point of this either". But that doesn't end the relationship. If anything, it means they're on a break again, because they're unsure.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:16 .

[TMA LIVE]

Ericzio wrote...

@TMA yeah i mean metaphorically, why would you say that to someone unless you have no faith in yourself or the relationship, they shouldn't get another dialogue choice if they pick death most likely, instead they should just end it there, no other dialogue and you never see liara again...imo

I don't agree. I tell her I think are chances are slim, but it's not tomorrow yet. It's being honest. And then Liara tells you, wants more then that, and wants you to promise to always come back. It's a good build. I actually prefer it for my femshep, who's a Sole Survivor, and Colonist. She's simply being honest, but promised to come back, despite her beliefs. That Liara is forcing her to have hope. I'd hate it if they removed the option to roleplay my Shepard that way.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:31 .

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

Did Liara say "Thanks for coming by" or "Shepard! I'm glad you're here" when you visited her after the cabin-reuinion scene?? If she said the first one, then I guess the romance is still active.

I didn't check..I guess I could do that real quick.