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[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

There is cut dialogue that has Shep essentially saying, "I can't make that promise." Why BW cut that out, I have no idea. It's like BW made a Liara roamcne/friend DLC and then said, "Oops, we forgot about the Liara haters! We have to have something for them too." As much as I love LotSB it is a bit too scripted.

I really like that better.  Yeah, too bad it was cut.

No, I hate that, because you're telling her that when she asks "I need to know you're always coming back." I think that would truly kill the romance if Shepard couldn't promise it. You're not giving her any chance of hope.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 janvier 2011 - 09:45 .

[Tancho]

Alright, I'm going in. I just loaded an older save from right before I chat with Liara.



I think I'm going to be heartbroken.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

No, I hate that, because you're telling her that when she asks "I need to know you're always coming back." I think that would truly kill the romance if Shepard couldn't promise it. You're giving her any chance of hope.

Liara knows that Shepard's promise is futile no matter what she says there.  It's an unrealistic promise....I do think Liara wants to hear Shepard make a promise but at the same time she's not going to hold Shepard to it.  Thus, I don't think the "I can't promise that" line would necessarily end the relationship as Liara understands the promise is too much to ask for.

[Robhuzz]

Seeing as we're on the subject of dialogue anyways... I've been thinking about the first time Liara mentions her feelings for Shepard and talks about Ashley/Kaidan as well.

In the event that Shepard doesn't speak with Ashley/Kaidan at all prior to the dialogue mentioned above... will Liara's dialogue actually change or will she still (wrongly) think(and ask) whether Shepard is involved with Ashley/Kaidan? I've never been able to find that one out

Modifié par Robhuzz, 22 janvier 2011 - 09:59 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

Seeing as we're on the subject of dialogue anyways... I've been thinking about the first time Liara mentions her feelings for Shepard and talks about Ashley/Kaidan as well.

In the event that Shepard doesn't speak with Ashley/Kaidan at all prior to the dialogue mentioned above... will Liara's dialogue actually change or will she still (wrongly) think Shepard is involved with Ashley/Kaidan? I've never been able to find that one out

I think she always ask if you're in an relationship with Ash/Kaidan. Unless you get it after Virmire, then she simply ask if you're interested in her.

[Tancho]

Robhuzz wrote...

Seeing as we're on the subject of dialogue anyways... I've been thinking about the first time Liara mentions her feelings for Shepard and talks about Ashley/Kaidan as well.

In the event that Shepard doesn't speak with Ashley/Kaidan at all prior to the dialogue mentioned above... will Liara's dialogue actually change or will she still (wrongly) think(and ask) whether Shepard is involved with Ashley/Kaidan? I've never been able to find that one out

I play femShep and I never talk to Kaiden. Not that I don't like his character or anything, but you can't seem to have a conversation without him getting the wrong idea. So, I just avoid it altogether and only talk to Liara. She just asks if there is anything between Shep and Kaiden, and I say we're just friends. She replies, saying she doesn't understand human relationships as well as she thought and asks if there is something between her and Shepard. 

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

No, I hate that, because you're telling her that when she asks "I need to know you're always coming back." I think that would truly kill the romance if Shepard couldn't promise it. You're giving her any chance of hope.

Liara knows that Shepard's promise is futile no matter what she says there.  It's an unrealistic promise....I do think Liara wants to hear Shepard make a promise but at the same time she's not going to hold Shepard to it.  Thus, I don't think the "I can't promise that" line would necessarily end the relationship as Liara understands the promise is too much to ask for.

It's not the same with Miranda. With her, it's a possiblity, but whatever. But with Liara, she already spent 2 years dealing with Shepard dying and being dead. She doesn't want to go through that again. And not making the promise is pretty much Shepard not giving her any hope of the possibility. You're telling her she should expect the same thing again, and soon.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 janvier 2011 - 10:04 .

[Tancho]

I've noticed that some people feel that it's honest to tell Liara that they probably won't make it.



For me, I think it's dishonest to not have some hope. I mean, Shepard has repeatedly toppled extreme odds - Saren, the Collectors...and if you're a Spacer, the Blitz. As Thane said, her career is built on doing the impossible. I think she can honestly have hope that they'll defeat the Reapers and live to tell the tale.



I'm not saying the other line isn't honest, I'm just saying that Shep has already provided herself with enough evidence for hope.

[Robhuzz]

Tancho wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Seeing as we're on the subject of dialogue anyways... I've been thinking about the first time Liara mentions her feelings for Shepard and talks about Ashley/Kaidan as well.

In the event that Shepard doesn't speak with Ashley/Kaidan at all prior to the dialogue mentioned above... will Liara's dialogue actually change or will she still (wrongly) think(and ask) whether Shepard is involved with Ashley/Kaidan? I've never been able to find that one out

I play femShep and I never talk to Kaiden. Not that I don't like his character or anything, but you can't seem to have a conversation without him getting the wrong idea. So, I just avoid it altogether and only talk to Liara. She just asks if there is anything between Shep and Kaiden, and I say we're just friends. She replies, saying she doesn't understand human relationships as well as she thought and asks if there is something between her and Shepard. 

I know what you mean about Kaidan. My latest playthrough was with FemShep and every time I talk to kaiden the conversation is taken a little too far for ordinary friendship. Problem is you can either go along with him (but gently) or call it off with a big old renegade option.  That didn't keep me from talking to him though but it always felt kind of weird... And then he started commenting on how I was spending a lot of time with Liara (though not nearly as jealously as Ashley says it) and the conversation turned more awkward after that...

But good to know there's no difference in dialogue, means I won't have to stop talking to party members.

As for the choosing moment in the com room...
Well I can never get enough of Liara's unbelievably cute way of saying: "I feel bad for him/her but... I'm glad you chose me"

[pacer90]

TheMarshal wrote...

In case anyone was interested, I just posted a second chapter to A Good Night.  FemShep/Liara fluff story.

Thanks to pacer90 for the beta-reading!

Hmmm? Me? No I'm not helping, that gogoplata guy is.

[TMA LIVE]

Tancho wrote...

I've noticed that some people feel that it's honest to tell Liara that they probably won't make it.

For me, I think it's dishonest to not have some hope. I mean, Shepard has repeatedly toppled extreme odds - Saren, the Collectors...and if you're a Spacer, the Blitz. As Thane said, her career is built on doing the impossible. I think she can honestly have hope that they'll defeat the Reapers and live to tell the tale.

I'm not saying the other line isn't honest, I'm just saying that Shep has already provided herself with enough evidence for hope.

Well, I don't think it's wrong to tell Liara that Shepard might not being coming back. But there's a difference between maybe, and not giving hope at all. Liara deserves some sort of hope after the **** she's gone through.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 janvier 2011 - 10:15 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Tancho wrote...

I've noticed that some people feel that it's honest to tell Liara that they probably won't make it.

For me, I think it's dishonest to not have some hope. I mean, Shepard has repeatedly toppled extreme odds - Saren, the Collectors...and if you're a Spacer, the Blitz. As Thane said, her career is built on doing the impossible. I think she can honestly have hope that they'll defeat the Reapers and live to tell the tale.

I'm not saying the other line isn't honest, I'm just saying that Shep has already provided herself with enough evidence for hope.

Well, I don't think it's wrong to tell Liara that Shepard might not being coming back. But there's a difference between maybe, and not giving hope at all. Liara deserves some sort of hope after the **** she's gone through.

If Shepard said "I can't make that promise" Doesn't mean he's not giving any hope at all that he will return. Just that he's making Liara aware that there's always a chance that he will die.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Tancho wrote...

I've noticed that some people feel that it's honest to tell Liara that they probably won't make it.

For me, I think it's dishonest to not have some hope. I mean, Shepard has repeatedly toppled extreme odds - Saren, the Collectors...and if you're a Spacer, the Blitz. As Thane said, her career is built on doing the impossible. I think she can honestly have hope that they'll defeat the Reapers and live to tell the tale.

I'm not saying the other line isn't honest, I'm just saying that Shep has already provided herself with enough evidence for hope.

Well, I don't think it's wrong to tell Liara that Shepard might not being coming back. But there's a difference between maybe, and not giving hope at all. Liara deserves some sort of hope after the **** she's gone through.

If Shepard said "I can't make that promise" Doesn't mean he's not giving any hope at all that he will return. Just that he's making Liara aware that there's always a chance that he will die.

Yeah, at the moment where she's crying, and saying "I don't want to do this unless you're coming back." You think she's interesting in continuing the relationship after you tell her "I can't promise that"? Not even "I promise I'll try"?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 janvier 2011 - 10:23 .

[Tancho]

@TMA



Yeah, like I said, I don't think it's dishonest to tell her you'll probably die again - I don't even think it's wrong necessarily. I was just defending the 'happily ever after' line - I don't think it's a matter of which one is honest. I think they're both honest.

[pacer90]

Personally, in that moment... I think you'd be weak to say you can't make that promise.



If nothing else give her that second of certainty, that you're going to do everything you can to stick around. That you're Shepard and she means enough to you that you're going to spit in the face of death and not put her through that trial again.



If you die and you didn't make the promise, she might think back on that conversation and think you just gave up on her before it all started.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

It's not the same with Miranda. With her, it's a possiblity, but whatever. But with Liara, she already spent 2 years dealing with Shepard dying and being dead. She doesn't want to go through that again. And not making the promise is pretty much Shepard not giving her any hope of the possibility. You're telling her she should expect the same thing again, and soon.

I don't think so...I think she'd still have hope and doubts regardless of what Shepard says there.  Liara's still quite practical.

I think it's 'nicer' of Shepard to give Liara hope, but I don't think it's awful or relationship ending to be honest to her either.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

It's not the same with Miranda. With her, it's a possiblity, but whatever. But with Liara, she already spent 2 years dealing with Shepard dying and being dead. She doesn't want to go through that again. And not making the promise is pretty much Shepard not giving her any hope of the possibility. You're telling her she should expect the same thing again, and soon.

I don't think so...I think she'd still have hope and doubts regardless of what Shepard says there.  Liara's still quite practical.

I think it's 'nicer' of Shepard to give Liara hope, but I don't think it's awful or relationship ending to be honest to her either.

Yeah, but not even "I'm going to try?". That's why I don't like it.

[Robhuzz]

A different, more serious version of 'I don't know, that's a big promise to make" would've been suitable for this. It would have to be less playfull, more like: "I don't know, that's a lot to promise Liara, what with all that's going to happen". A little more serious, trying to comfort Liara by basicly saying:"I'll do everything I can to come back to you" but also be honest to her about the risks

Modifié par Robhuzz, 22 janvier 2011 - 10:31 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara's reaction to the "Done" dialogue choice, in which Shepard does promise to come back, is very telling. Check it out here.

Aw, she's so sad there

[jwalker]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara's reaction to the "Done" dialogue choice, in which Shepard does promise to come back, is very telling. Check it out here.

In spite of the fact that Shepard does attempt to assure her that she will survive the forthcoming Reaper war, Liara still appears concerned, anxious, distressed and sorrowful. She knows that Shepard cannot realistically make that promise, and her varying reactions to each dialogue choice serve as evidence of this.

Yes. Shepard is a soldier on the front lines.
They both know she can't make that promise. And yet is nice to make it and it's nice to hear it.
For Shepard, defeating the Reapers is her duty, a burden, a noble goal, whatever.
Coming back to the one she loves is different. That's for her, for her alone.

[jlb524]

That's a great way to put it, jwalker.



I'll post a happy pic I made of Shepard/Liara.







link



Happy mood!

[TMA LIVE]

The way I play my femshep is that she doesn't have a home or a family. That concept of either one of those is alien to her, because her home was a colony that was attacked, and her family and friends were killed. And then her unit was killed on Akuze. And then her ship was destroyed, and her crew broke apart. etc. She never had anything to go back to. She didn't even have anyone to fight for, and wasn't committed to the Alliance. But now she does. She has Liara, who is know her family and home. She now has something to go back to.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 janvier 2011 - 11:57 .