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[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

This is the backstory that I want to see.  How the hell did she manage to do that in only two years?

I mean, she's Liara, and it seems like she can do anything, but still...

I actually wanted to attempt to write about that after finishing up my Shep/Liara ME1 fic.   It seems very difficult given we know practically nothing about it.

I've got an idea for a story that takes place during the early months of her time on Illium, but I wouldn't have the foggiest idea of how she would have gotten started down that road.  What could have made her decide that it was the best way to track down the Shadow Broker?  How does one get started?  Gossip?  Eavesdropping?  What's a Level 1 Information Broker's quest log look like?

[jlb524]

I think you must have someone helping Liara that knows the biz. I was going to create an OC for this. jtav uses Miranda in her Persistence fic.



I doubt Liara or anyone could just jump in and start out without any help.

[Tancho]

As much as I hate how Liara was portrayed in Redemption, the idea was nice. Had they told it well, it would have been much better. I mean, they'd have to fix the art and characterize people correctly too, but you know what I mean.



So basically, if it had been done right, I think it would have been awesome. Mostly because we play Shepard, who has no idea the extent of pain Liara experienced when trying to rescue Shep. Liara may explain the situation, but she's still vague...it would have been a nice addition to the Shep/Liara romance had it been done right.



Alas, that is not reality.

[TheMarshal]

True. Miranda seems to be an obvious choice (at least Persistence makes it seem so), but even there Liara was already established when Miranda made contact. At least that's the impression that I got.

[jtav]

TheMarshal wrote...

True. Miranda seems to be an obvious choice (at least Persistence makes it seem so), but even there Liara was already established when Miranda made contact. At least that's the impression that I got.

And doing very badly. My backstory had Liara doing a lot of trading on Benezia's name and using her mother's associates until Miranda showed up. It was probably very fortunate that Miranda dshowed up when she did.

[TheMarshal]

jtav wrote...

And doing very badly. My backstory had Liara doing a lot of trading on Benezia's name and using her mother's associates until Miranda showed up. It was probably very fortunate that Miranda dshowed up when she did.

Makes sense.  I wasn't sure how long Liara had been doing it when Persistence picked up, but name-dropping for a few months seems like a reasonable way for her to get her foot in the door.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

My main problem is that the comic's plot didn't add anything that we already didn't know from playing ME2 and speaking with Liara.

I thought it added that Liara was really after Feron the whole time, and the Shadow Broker Revenge was just something that was created overtime. I also liked learning about Feron, and that he was sacrificed for Liara, instead of simply being captured.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 janvier 2011 - 07:30 .

[TMA LIVE]

As for how Liara got started, I always assumed she started working for someone as an assistent, while trying to buy information on the side about the Shadow Broker. A very "I scratch your back, and you scratch mine" kind of setup. Before that, I think she spent 3 months trying to find Feron on her own, before she realised she needed an information job to acquire more information.  And then a year later, she left, and went freelance, while continuing to work for Nos Astra Central as an Administrator.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 janvier 2011 - 07:38 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

My main problem is that the comic's plot didn't add anything that we already didn't know from playing ME2 and speaking with Liara.

The comic did set-up something that had a possibility of being important. Namely the data Liara has on the SB in the end of the comic.

I think that data was more for Cerberus then Liara. They used that to connect the Collectors to the Reapers, and how they're after human's.

[Cranyx]

 Sorry about the off-topic question, but I'm just curious.

I'm pretty new to the forum and, as a Liara fan myself, was looking through this thread, and was curious about why, when I assume most if not all people here are big Liara fans, many seem to dislike a good portion of her character, that is, her appearances in the comic book and cameo in ME2 (omitting LotSB)?

Just looking for some clarification, thanks.

Modifié par Cranyx, 24 janvier 2011 - 08:44 .

[jlb524]

I only dislike the comic book but I don't consider that a good portion of Liara's character (or any portion, really, as she was unbelievably OOC there).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cranyx wrote...

 Sorry about the off-topic question, but I'm just curious.

I'm pretty new to the forum and, as a Liara fan myself, was looking through this thread, and was curious about why, when I assume most if not all people here are big Liara fans, many seem to dislike a good portion of her character, that is, her appearances in the comic book and cameo in ME2 (omitting LotSB)?

Just looking for some clarification, thanks.

I dislike the comic book because it was downright bad. I don't hate how she is potrayed in the Illium cameo, even trhough I believe the cameo itself was poorly written.

[TheMarshal]

Pretty much what jlb said. Her portrayal is just so off in both Redemption and the PS3 intro comic.

[TheMarshal]

Ericzio wrote...

How bad was the comic book guys? i mean really it couldn't be that horrific.

You know how Hollywood's "thing" these days is to take franchises that you loved as a child and do horrible, horrible things to them because they know that you'll buy it anyway?  Well it's kind of like that.

You see the faces of the characters that you know and love, and yet they're not who you know them to be.  I'll admit, I went out and bought Redemption and initially liked it, because hey, it's Liara <3!  Except that it's not.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

You know, I've often wondered
if it would be worthwhile to rewrite the events of Redemption,
primarily to make Liara's dialogue and actions true to her character, in
the form of fanfiction. It's an interesting challenge, and one that I
would enjoy.

Additionally, it would not be necessary to write it
as being romance neutral, as this would occur within my own headcanon.
It would be intriguing to see how Liara's dialogue would differ if she
is Shepard's lover and partner.

I'm liking drwells' take on the story, Duet.  I do think it (the comic) would have been more interesting of a story had it included the romance, but such are the pitfalls of static media.  You only get one shot to tell the story.

Modifié par TheMarshal, 24 janvier 2011 - 10:39 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

You know, I've often wondered if it would be worthwhile to rewrite the events of Redemption, primarily to make Liara's dialogue and actions true to her character, in the form of fanfiction. It's an interesting challenge, and one that I would enjoy.

Additionally, it would not be necessary to write it as being romance neutral, as this would occur within my own headcanon. It would be intriguing to see how Liara's dialogue would differ if she is Shepard's lover and partner.

I'll think it could be worthwhile.

Also in regards to Redemption. I think in a sense, it would always be an less than ideal story to tell because...

Was Shepard in love with Liara? Or even just a friend? Perhaps Shepard completetly ignored her and didn't give a **** about her!

Was Shepard pro-human?

Did Liara even see what Cerberus did in ME1? Perhaps Shepard was a sole-survivor and she was there when the truth about Akuze was told?

Basicly. Redemption could never reach it's full potential, because in order to fully explore Liara during this part would mean to dictate a canon. IF you wrote a new version with headcanon, you don't have to worry about these things.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 24 janvier 2011 - 10:44 .

[RolandX9]

TheMarshal wrote...

Ericzio wrote...

How bad was the comic book guys? i mean really it couldn't be that horrific.

You know how Hollywood's "thing" these days is to take franchises that you loved as a child and do horrible, horrible things to them because they know that you'll buy it anyway?  Well it's kind of like that.

You are my new favorite forumite.

TheMarshal wrote...

You see the faces of the characters that you know and love, and yet they're not who you know them to be.  I'll admit, I went out and bought Redemption and initially liked it, because hey, it's Liara !  Except that it's not.

This is how I felt after I first ran into Liara in 2 -- fortunately, the folx at Bioware know how to pull this stuff off. (And then there was LotSB...)

Which leads me to a forum question that was probably asked long ago, but I haven't seen since I've been here -- how did you folx first fall for the Blue Wonder? For me, lessee...well, damn near everything, but to sum up, it was a character who was smart, kind, caring and understanding, with a cool pursuit (my male!Shep is so going to "retire" into the archaeology business with her)...but was also a well-developed, three-dimensional character who was neither cloying nor bland. As a side benefit, her "odd couple" moments with Wrex were hilarious.  Suffice to say I hope Liara's feeling better by the time 3 rolls around.

[Cranyx]

See, the thing is, before LotSB, when people were pissed about Liara's cameo, the justification was "just read Redemption, then it's all good"



That seems to contradict what you're saying now.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cranyx wrote...

See, the thing is, before LotSB, when people were pissed about Liara's cameo, the justification was "just read Redemption, then it's all good"

That seems to contradict what you're saying now.

What?!

[Cranyx]

I was looking through some pre-lotsb posts and when people complained that Liara's character change made no sense, supporters would say it makes sense if you reda the comic.

For me, this summed it up pretty well, (however I still feel a little uneasy about the shift, (granted I haven't played LotSB)

[RolandX9]

Cranyx wrote...

I was looking through some pre-lotsb posts and when people complained that Liara's character change made no sense, supporters would say it makes sense if you reda the comic.

For me, this summed it up pretty well, (however I still feel a little uneasy about the shift, (granted I haven't played LotSB)

This. I wasn't happy either, but once I saw/heard this, it was at least understandable and acceptable in the short-term.

I still want to put TIM in that coffee cup, myself, though.