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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cranyx wrote...

I was looking through some pre-lotsb posts and when people complained that Liara's character change made no sense, supporters would say it makes sense if you reda the comic.

For me, this summed it up pretty well, (however I still feel a little uneasy about the shift, (granted I haven't played LotSB)

I guess the "Read the comic" was something people said while some parts of the comics was still underway. I know I said it a few times while waiting for issue 4, hoping it would clear everything up.

[Cranyx]

Ericzio wrote...

You should play lotsb, best dlc for me2 if not best of 2010 dlc's
I wont try to spoil anything for you but it is very short sadly, still worth it though

Sadly, being in the forums have caused me to have already had a lot of it spoiled...

[Barquiel]

Cranyx wrote...

I was looking through some pre-lotsb posts and when people complained that Liara's character change made no sense, supporters would say it makes sense if you reda the comic.

Yes, Liara's character "changes" are explained in the Redemption comic (especially if you miss the "I couldn't let you go" dialogue)...and I think the idea/story wasn't bad.

But the implementation could be better (the art, and some cheesy one liners).

Modifié par Barquiel, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:03 .

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Realistically, this is material that should have somehow been incorporated into the game. Reminds me of the rumours that, originally, Legion would have assisted Liara in stealing Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker, and that this would have functioned as ME2's prologue.

!?!?!   I'd never heard that before.  Certainly would have been an interesting story to tell.

[TMA LIVE]

While we're talking about Redemption, I was wondering if anyone is willing to point out any plotholes or problems that they noticed, so if anyone tries re-writing it as a fanfiction, they got stuff to keep in mind.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

RolandX9 wrote...
Which leads me to a forum question that was probably asked long ago, but I haven't seen since I've been here -- how did you folx first fall for the Blue Wonder?

My first impressions of Liara were that she was a wonderfully intelligent person, and that she seemed articulate and eloquent in how she conducted herself. Additionally, I remember how I loved the fact that she defies the Krogan Battlemaster on Therum, and vows to never assist Saren. This is in spite of the fact that she has been trapped for an extended period of time, and is likely to be suffering from depleted blood sugar levels. To me, that was an incredible display of her strength of courage and will.

Oh, and her voice is also amazing.

How did she defy him?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:19 .

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yup. Rumour states that, originally, the player would have taken control of Legion during ME2's prologue, shortly after the destruction of the Normandy. During the course of the mission, Liara would have been encountered, and the pair of them would have teamed up in order to steal Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker. The player would have been reminded of their ME1 choices via dialogue with Liara, which would have been likely to reference the romance in some form. Furthermore, it would have also explained how Legion grafted a piece of Shepard's old N7 armour onto its torso.

After Liara's recovery of Shepard's body, the game would have then timelapsed to Shepard's awakening at the Lazarus Station, and continued on in its current form.

Interesting...  Now that I see it spelled out in front of me, I'm not sure I like it quite as much.  At least as an intro to the game.  It makes for a fascinating story, sure, but to have that be the precursor to waking up on the Lazarus station?  Eh...

[TMA LIVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yup. Rumour states that, originally, the player would have taken control of Legion during ME2's prologue, shortly after the destruction of the Normandy. During the course of the mission, Liara would have been encountered, and the pair of them would have teamed up in order to steal Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker. The player would have been reminded of their ME1 choices via dialogue with Liara, which would have been likely to reference the romance in some form. Furthermore, it would have also explained how Legion grafted a piece of Shepard's old N7 armour onto its torso.

After Liara's recovery of Shepard's body, the game would have then timelapsed to Shepard's awakening at the Lazarus Station, and continued on in its current form.

Interesting...  Now that I see it spelled out in front of me, I'm not sure I like it quite as much.  At least as an intro to the game.  It makes for a fascinating story, sure, but to have that be the precursor to waking up on the Lazarus station?  Eh...

Not only that, but Liara working with a geth, and explaining Shepard's background to it? 

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:21 .

[TheMarshal]

RolandX9 wrote...

Which leads me to a forum question that was probably asked long ago, but I haven't seen since I've been here -- how did you folx first fall for the Blue Wonder?

Honestly, my first encounter with Liara was a clip of the FemShep romance scene from ME1, which my friend had sent to me when we were talking about the hoopla that had been raised by some fool or another who said that Mass Effect had a "sex simulator" that allowed you to play out lesbian sex scenes with aliens.  Obviously that was not the case.  That scene didn't really allow me any insight into Liara's character, and at the time I didn't have any intention of playing Mass Effect, so I just kind of forgot about it.

In my first playthrough, I think the line that caught my attention was Liara's "I am not my mother!"  So emphatic, so much animosity beneath the surface.  It was great!  Then she goes on to show how she's this incredibly talented, intelligent, sweet (and charmingly bumbling) person, and I was hooked.  I stopped talking to Kaiden altogether because his "budding romance" lines just didn't feel right to me.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

How did she defies him?

"Whatever it is you want, you're not getting it from me!"

Basically, a weakened and fatigued Liara has just told a deadly Krogan Battlemaster to get lost. During my first playthrough, it was something that I took note of.

Oh that. I thought you were talking about the part where she looks like she's doing a battle pose in the cutscene, and then is sitting on the ground during the battle. 

[TheMarshal]

I played ME2 first, as well. I got through the destruction of the Normandy, escaped the Lazarus station, spoke with TIM, and ran into Tali before I realized that I felt nothing, and should probably play ME1 first...

[drwells123]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

You know, I've often wondered if it would be worthwhile to rewrite the events of Redemption, primarily to make Liara's dialogue and actions true to her character, in the form of fanfiction. It's an interesting challenge, and one that I would enjoy.

Additionally, it would not be necessary to write it as being romance neutral, as this would occur within my own headcanon. It would be intriguing to see how Liara's dialogue would differ if she is Shepard's lover and partner.

I say go for it. But there's no need to stick to what happens in Redemption, just make up whatever you want. Even if people think it's ham-fisted, Shepard's death is a gold mine for fanfic writers. They often write because they want to further explore a character's emotions, in a way that the main story doesn't. Well, here's the world's biggest emotional catalyst, free of charge. For instance, there's everyone's reaction (not just Liara's) to Shepard's death. Another opportunity for Liara to learn about human culture (not that she wanted this one). What the funeral looks like. What makes Liara decide to do something (and how everyone else reacts - wish her luck, tell her to accept it and move on, help her, etc).

[drwells123]

Cranyx wrote...

I was looking through some pre-lotsb posts and when people complained that Liara's character change made no sense, supporters would say it makes sense if you reda the comic.

For me, this summed it up pretty well, (however I still feel a little uneasy about the shift, (granted I haven't played LotSB)

Weird. The comic, if anything, jumps straight to the ME2 (i.e. hardened) Liara.

I didn't play ME1, so LotSB is what made a Liara fan out of me. Even if you couldn't care less about her, I would say it's the best part of ME2. In an ideal world, it's what all the loyalty missions would have been like.

[drwells123]

TheMarshal wrote...

!?!?!   I'd never heard that before.  Certainly would have been an interesting story to tell.

It certainly makes sense given his in-game dialogue about his fixation with Shepard. Hell he makes Conrad Verner look like a hater I thought about dragging him into my fic but I decided I'd rather stick to minor characters.

[TheMarshal]

drwells123 wrote...

It certainly makes sense given his in-game dialogue about his fixation with Shepard. Hell he makes Conrad Verner look like a hater I thought about dragging him into my fic but I decided I'd rather stick to minor characters.

And we're all looking forward to the next chapter later this week! 

Speaking of which...  I should really get on chapter 3 of mine... 

[drwells123]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I agree, and this is the reason as to why I wrote that short, oneshot fanfic depicting Liara's unseen grief and mourning for Shepard in the two years prior to the events of ME2. I wanted to explore this aspect of Liara's character, and delve into greater detail than what is presented in-game. It's a fascinating, albeit bleak and depressing, subject to study.

On a related note, I thank you for the kind words in your review, drwells. I appreciate it! I look forward to the next chapter of your story this Friday!

My pleasure. Your earlier fic certainly shows you're equipped to look into Liara's emotions as she's going through the events of Redemption.

Thank you to TheMarshal for your kind words as well! I still need to write a review for your excellent second chapter

Modifié par drwells123, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:08 .