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[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Here's a happy scene (new fan art)



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I saw that piece yesterday, excellent stuff!

And yeah, the destruction of the Normandy is a pretty emotional scene. Hard to believe that the first time I played it I felt nothing, on account of having skipped ME1. 20 minutes later I realized my mistake and grabbed a copy of the original game. The next time I saw that scene (with Liara running up to me instead of Kaiden), I was absolutely wrecked.

Modifié par TheMarshal, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:10 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

And yeah, the destruction of the Normandy is a pretty emotional scene. Hard to believe that the first time I played it I felt nothing, on account of having skipped ME1. 20 minutes later I realized my mistake and grabbed a copy of the original game. The next time I saw that scene (with Liara running up to me instead of Kaiden), I was absolutely wrecked.

Yeah, that's why I hate playing as the 'default' Shepard in ME2...even if I want to start a game just to play with the CC for a bit, I import one of my Liara mancing saves so I get her running to me.

Having played ME1 and ME2 so close together, I'm curious what was your initial reaction to Liara in ME2, TheMarshal?

Modifié par jlb524, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:15 .

[JamieCOTC]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara's final, pleading call to Shepard is absolutely heartbreaking, and her reluctance to leave the person she loves is so sad and poignant.

The whole plot point regarding Shepard's death and resurrection is often (and rightfully) criticised, but I think the final conversation with Liara is wonderfully well-done.

BW did earn some redeeming points w/ LotSB to my mind.  btw, your letter was very well written and captured Liara's character perfectly. 

[Xilizhra]

You know what I just realized? If Liara hadn't left when Shepard told her to, she could have used Pull to bring her back to the escape pod even after she'd been knocked away... which can't have made her thoughts about that incident any easier.



Also, LET's letter was very nicely written. Well done.

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what I just realized? If Liara hadn't left when Shepard told her to, she could have used Pull to bring her back to the escape pod even after she'd been knocked away... which can't have made her thoughts about that incident any easier.

Ah, I guess you are right.  When Shepard was just 'hanging there' she could have used biotics to bring her back into the shuttle.

Though, this is assuming everything with Joker would have still happened the exact same way with Liara there.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Having played ME1 and ME2 so close together, I'm curious what was your initial reaction to Liara in ME2, TheMarshal?

It's times like this that I wish I could draw, 'cause sometimes words don't cut it.  But lemme give it a shot:

I landed on Illium, having totally forgotten that TIM said Liara was there.  When the concierge told me that it was Liara who had paid all my docking fees, I'm pretty sure I squealed out loud a little bit.  I ran to her office and got her opening lines, and wondered what the hell had happened to her.  She seemed so cold and distant.  I was happy for the kiss, but it sure as hell didn't last as long as I had hoped.

I remember doing the terminal and observer quests, but I don't remember talking to her about the Shadow Broker, so I had NO idea what was going on, why she seemed so different.  It felt like they (Bioware) had basically just decided that "Nope, you and Liara are done, thanks for playing ME1!" and left it at that.

Then the next day I bought and read Redemption, then bought and played through LotSB, and all was good!  (Except for the art in Redemption, though...)

[Xilizhra]

jlb524 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know what I just realized? If Liara hadn't left when Shepard told her to, she could have used Pull to bring her back to the escape pod even after she'd been knocked away... which can't have made her thoughts about that incident any easier.

Ah, I guess you are right.  When Shepard was just 'hanging there' she could have used biotics to bring her back into the shuttle.

Though, this is assuming everything with Joker would have still happened the exact same way with Liara there.

Considering the near-nonexistent gravity at that time, a biotic Shepard should really have been able to fly back to the escape pod...
Hmmm. AU idea incoming?

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I landed on Illium, having totally forgotten that TIM said Liara was there.  When the concierge told me that it was Liara who had paid all my docking fees, I'm pretty sure I squealed out loud a little bit.  I ran to her office and got her opening lines, and wondered what the hell had happened to her.  She seemed so cold and distant.  I was happy for the kiss, but it sure as hell didn't last as long as I had hoped.

I remember doing the terminal and observer quests, but I don't remember talking to her about the Shadow Broker, so I had NO idea what was going on, why she seemed so different.  It felt like they (Bioware) had basically just decided that "Nope, you and Liara are done, thanks for playing ME1!" and left it at that.

Then the next day I bought and read Redemption, then bought and played through LotSB, and all was good!  (Except for the art in Redemption, though...)

Okay...you had the same reaction as I but you just didn' thave to wait all those agonizing months for answers

Though, I did know that the ME2 scene didn't mean Shepard and Liara were done as I read all of Casey Hudson's hoopla pre-ME2 about being able to continue the ME1 LI romances and them having a larger role in ME3.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...
Okay...you had the same reaction as I but you just didn' thave to wait all those agonizing months for answers

Though, I did know that the ME2 scene didn't mean Shepard and Liara were done as I read all of Casey Hudson's hoopla pre-ME2 about being able to continue the ME1 LI romances and them having a larger role in ME3.

Yeah...  I don't know how you guys got through it.  I was absolutely ruined the day after I landed on Illium.  I actually recently started a story about how Alice reacted after Illium (taking liberties with a few of the established facts).  It's really rough, and I'm worried it may be somewhat melodramatic, but I can put it up if you guys are interested.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah...  I don't know how you guys got through it.  I was absolutely ruined the day after I landed on Illium.  I actually recently started a story about how Alice reacted after Illium (taking liberties with a few of the established facts).  It's really rough, and I'm worried it may be somewhat melodramatic, but I can put it up if you guys are interested.

I would be interested...I like angsty melodrama.  Though, I think it suits this situation.

[TMA LIVE]

Recently, I realized while thinking about Liara's change in Redemption, a reason why she's so different. First of all, after joining Shepard, the past 2 months of her life were filled with action and violence. Plus the death of her mother. But she didn't let it change her. However, a month after saving the Citadel, Shepard is then killed, and the Alliance destroys his reputation. And with his death, is the hope of stopping the Reapers from destroying all life. Plus her mother is now considered a traitor and a backstabber by the public. I imagine she was filled with lots of anger, depression, frustration, and hopelessness, that changed her into the girl she is now.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:11 .

[JamieCOTC]

A couple of days ago, I took a new renegade femShep, Erica Shepard, through ME1. I did it to have a femShep/Kaiden romance just in case the VS appears in the next DLC. Anyway, she hated Liara for most of the mission. With only one exception, Liara kept her gentle nature and composure even while being chastised. I hate to say it, but it was one of the better RPG experiences I've ever had. First of all, Erica did not like the mindmeld. She's a very private person and did not like the experience at all, (no matter what that comic said). Then Liara confessed her attraction to Erica and asked about Kaidan. One, Erica was straight and two, what happened between Kaidan and Erica was none of her damned business. Liara then admitted to looking up Erica's records on the extranet and it all went downhill from there. Erica accused Liara of being obsessed, and for once Liara defended herself, and that was that. The two pretty much steered clear of each other until Noveria as she had to have Liara along on that mission to find Benezia. This was where things changed. Erica was about to kill the rachni queen when Liara pleaded for her to spare it. Erica respected Liara's biotic and professional abilities, but until then did not respect her as a person. So earnest was Liara's plea, Erica spared the rachni and gained a new insight into Liara's character. The asari's moral compass was not unlike Kaidan's, something she loved about him. From then on, Erica treated Liara with a great deal of respect and the two became friends. If the game had let me, Erica would have apologized for her earlier treatment of Liara.

I guess the point to all this is that this femShep genuinely disliked Liara and yet she grew on her. That for those of us who love the character, we will find her no matter what direction we take.

I've only started ME2 w/ Erica, so I haven't gotten to Ilium yet. That will be interesting indeed.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:16 .

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Anyway, she hated Liara for most of the mission. With only one exception, Liara kept her gentle nature and composure even while being chastised. I hate to say it, but it was one of the better RPG experiences I've ever had. First of all, Erica did not like the mindmeld. She's a very private person and did not like the experience at all, (no matter what that comic said). Then Liara confessed her attraction to Erica and asked about Kaidan. One, Erica was straight and two, what happened between Kaidan and Erica was none of her damned business. Liara then admitted to looking up Erica's records on the extranet and it all went downhill from there. Erica accused Liara of being obsessed, and for once Liara defended herself, and that was that. The two pretty much steered clear of Liara until Noveria as she had to have Liara along on that mission to find Benezia. This was where things changed. Erica was about to kill the rachni queen when Liara pleaded for her to spare it. Erica respected Liara's biotic and professional abilities, but until then did not respect her as a person. So earnest was Liara's plea, Erica spared the rachni and gained a new insight into Liara's character. The asari's moral compass was not unlike Kaidan's, something she loved about him. From then on, Erica treated Liara with a great deal of respect and the two became friends. If the game had let me, Erica would have apologized for her earlier treatment of Liara.

 

I've done this before with a Shepard that did end up romancing Liara.  It does have tremendous RP potential.  I never got far into ME2 with this Shepard, but I may remake her and run through ME1 like this again.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah... 
I don't know how you guys got through it.  I was absolutely ruined the
day after I landed on Illium.  I actually recently started a story
about how Alice reacted after Illium (taking liberties with a few of the
established facts).  It's really rough, and I'm worried it may
be somewhat melodramatic, but I can put it up if you guys are
interested.

I would be interested...I like angsty
melodrama.  Though, I think it suits this situation.

Alright, I put it up as a blog post, since it's nowhere near ready for "primetime" yet.

Reunion

Modifié par TheMarshal, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:22 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...


Alright, I put it up as a blog post, since it's nowhere near ready for "primetime" yet.

Reunion

Wow, that was pretty good.  I like the middle where you jump back and forth between Shepard's death and her trying to get her damn armor off in order to compare the two.

[oxymoo28]

I actually got ME1 in the summer and Liara's character just stood out. I think I finished the game after 3 days almost solid gaming (this was during my post-exam summer holidays) and immediately ordered ME2. I used the time in-between to play through ME again, and again I found Liara the most interesting character. In that second playthrough I really went through the game properly, doing all the side-quests and so on that I had missed previously, and ended up taking Liara everywhere to see how she responded to things. I found that Liara still stood out, her intelligence and personality led to me romancing her again instead of Kaidan as I had intended.

When I finally got ME2 and TIM told me Liara was on Illium I rushed through most of the events before hand to get there when I realised I couldn't go there straight away. Then when I got there and she used the line her mother had used I was like 'woah, Liara changed'. I did the hacking tasks she gave me cause I figured that completing them was the way to get a conversation where she and Shepard discussed what happened to Liara and what they were to each other after two years. How wrong I was. At least conversations that you could have and LotSB showed that Liara hadn't changed that much, I think it was just that she had been sure Shep would hate her and her search for the Shadow Broker that made her seem different. Also, having been in the information broker business would probably harden someone somewhat, i.e. in what to expect from the galaxy.

[TheMarshal]

I thought the near panic attack she was feeling after having seen Liara went pretty well with her reliving her death, and I tried to tie them together in the end with her winding up alone. So yeah, kinda melodramatic, but it's pretty much what I was going for.

[oxymoo28]

@TheMarshal that was really good! I agree I liked the way you switched between her trying to pull her armour off and when she died. And the line which went 'she died alone' and the way it ties in with how she feels about Liara at that point.

[Tamahome560]

Xilizhra wrote...

Considering the near-nonexistent gravity at that time, a biotic Shepard should really have been able to fly back to the escape pod...
Hmmm. AU idea incoming?

This is precisely why I don't play any Biotic or Tech class anymore. I can't handle this type of suspension of disbelief ... or that everyone pulls out assault rifles out of thin air (atleast in ME1 they had them) ... 

[TheMarshal]

For those of you who have done multiple playthroughs with different Shepards, did you approach Liara in different ways each time? Did you romance her every time? I'm curious, because I've only got one Shepard at this point, and I'm very attached to her. The idea of rolling up a new Shepard and having her romance Liara feels... odd.