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Liara T'Soni Character Discussion Thread *possible ME3 spoilers*

Débuté par jlb524 , déc. 08 2010 12:51

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 05:26

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jlb524 wrote...

Haahaa, perhaps I'll write a short fic involving her when I finish up my current fan fic.

I need to get writing, regardless *cracks whip at self*


*Cracks whip again*  Hop to!

Actually I have no room to talk...  I'm rewriting Chapter 3 of my story...  :pinched:

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 05:54

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jlb524 wrote...

Haahaa, perhaps I'll write a short fic involving her when I finish up my current fan fic.

I need to get writing, regardless *cracks whip at self*


You know what they say. Duty calls.
^_^

(But, seriously, please write Chapter 11. It's my fav fanfic.)  :wub:

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 06:46

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

The worst thing for me in #4 was how Liara left Feron behind. She could have saved him but instead she just left. I thought he was dead until LotSB came out.


Spoken like Liara's conscience.

I recall them trying to get across her having a choice, Shepard or Feron, and she rescued Shepard over helping Feron.  The emphasis is trying.  I don't think they succeeded with much in that comic.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 07:23

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

The worst thing for me in #4 was how Liara left Feron behind. She could have saved him but instead she just left. I thought he was dead until LotSB came out.


For whatever reason, I never really got Liara's sense of guilt until just now.  She chose a corpse over a living person.  Thank you for putting it like this.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 03:14

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TheMarshal wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

The worst thing for me in #4 was how Liara left Feron behind. She could have saved him but instead she just left. I thought he was dead until LotSB came out.


For whatever reason, I never really got Liara's sense of guilt until just now.  She chose a corpse over a living person.  Thank you for putting it like this.


Delurking to say I am with Marshal,  Liara's guilt and obsession make complete sense to me now. I always filled in gaps myself and ignored certain aspects of her new personality because the writers left too large a gap between ME1 Liara and ME2 Liara (I never read the comics). This really fills that gap in a way that is totally in character for her. I am finishing up a Femshep in ME1 and having Liara in my squad again has been a blast, literally ... she destroys everything in her path I love it.

Also want to add a big thanks to all the fanfic writers here I read them all and really enjoy your work.

Finally can anyone elaborate on what Liara says if you cheated on her? I created ME1 no romance Sheps so I could explore the ME2 romances, I just couldn't cheat on Liara.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 03:24

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Barquiel wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

With Redemption, I think it's really that second issue that I don't like much...the last issue two issues weren't bad (probably b/c they removed the random grope attacks from batarians and moved on with the plot XD).

The last issue was the worst one for me.


I liked #1 (the elcor was hilarious) and #4 (sad Liara - "We did it Feron - you did it" + Miranda/Liara conversation at the end)

#2 was the worst one for me (batarian slaver, Aria...)


What? Issue 2 had the only halfway good part. Namely the start, it was one of the few times where I cared about what happend.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:30

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Regarding the fact that Liara allowed Feron to be captured, I don't think she really had a choice. During the confrontation with Harbinger and Tazzik on Alingon, Liara was forced to leave Feron behind, and escape with Shepard's body. She'd managed to fight off a Harbinger-possessed Collector, and had boarded Tazzik's ship, which was obviously carrying Shepard's body. However, Harbinger had not been incapacitated, and was still fully conscious and mobile. Additionally, Feron had been pinned down by Tazzik, and was unable to fight back. With Harbinger about to board Tazzik's ship, and, by extension, acquire Shepard's corpse, Liara had little choice but to leave ASAP. Had she attempted to help Feron, Harbinger could have taken Tazzik's ship, and both Liara and Feron could have been captured by Tazzik and the Shadow Broker. It was an incredibly difficult situation, and the mission could have ended in failure. Liara was forced to make a decision instantaneously and, realistically, had little other choice.



This is what results in Liara's guilt, and desire to free Feron from the custody of the Shadow Broker. He threw himself onto the sword in order to save both her and Shepard, and she feels responsible for his suffering as a result. It becomes her personal mission and obligation to ensure his safety, and to repay the debt that she feels she owes him.



Personally, if a man were to sacrifice himself in order to save my life, I'd feel incredibly guilty. I'd experience a tremendous amount of grief and responsibility for his suffering, knowing that he'd subjected himself to this in order to ensure my safety. Considering Liara's compassionate nature, I think this is perfectly in-character for her.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:32

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What, do you all think, would be Liara's position on the whole Samara vs. Morinth affair? What would she think of justicars in general?

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:37

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I think she'd probably respect them and probably fear them, as you probably should

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:40

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Cypher0020 wrote...

I think she'd probably respect them and probably fear them, as you probably should


Yeah, I agree.

As for the Samara/Morinth thing, I'm sure Liara would side with Samara, given that Morinth is a serial killer and very dangerous.

Though, she would sympathize for Morinth and her Ardat Yakshi condition.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:42

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I was always curious what would Liara think if she found out Shep (either gender really) had nearly been seduced/killed by an Ardant Yakshi...



More like Samara using her lover as bait for a homicidal sex vampire....

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:43

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I agree with both Cypher and jlb. I don't think I can add anything else.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:49

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It's a shame that LOTSB has no squadmate banter (...but understandable)



I love my all-asari squads...a Morinth/Liara banter would certainly be interesting!

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:55

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well Liara and Shep had great banter!



TRUCK!



I see it!



Truck!

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:55

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Cypher0020 wrote...

I was always curious what would Liara think if she found out Shep (either gender really) had nearly been seduced/killed by an Ardant Yakshi...

More like Samara using her lover as bait for a homicidal sex vampire....

Also what would have happened had Shepard chosen Morinth over Samara. Actually, the first time I made that decision, what finally decided it for me is my fear of what Liara would say if she knew that I'd chosen Morinth.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 04:57

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@LET, I don't necessarily think it was that specific moment that caused her grief, but the fact that she risked his life in the first place because "I couldn't let you go" likely weighs heavily on her shoulders. Plus, after all that she gets told that it may not even be possible to bring Shepard back...

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 06:05

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Xilizhra wrote...
Also what would have happened had Shepard chosen Morinth over Samara. Actually, the first time I made that decision, what finally decided it for me is my fear of what Liara would say if she knew that I'd chosen Morinth.


If Liara knew that Shepard had killed Samara in favor in Morinth...

proberly sickend over the fact that Shepard had betrayed a justicar in cold-blood in favor of her monster of a daughter.

So not well.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 07:57

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TheMarshal wrote...

@LET, I don't necessarily think it was that specific moment that caused her grief, but the fact that she risked his life in the first place because "I couldn't let you go" likely weighs heavily on her shoulders. Plus, after all that she gets told that it may not even be possible to bring Shepard back...


What do you mean by not that specific moment? 

I do think the guilt/grief slowly escalated over time as Liara thought more and more about what she did and the implications of it (sacrificing Feron for Shepard who may be a dead woman anyway).

There's also the whole guilt thing of handing Shepard's body/corpse to Cerberus.  It was a rough two years for Liara.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 08:49

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jlb524 wrote...

What do you mean by not that specific moment? 

I do think the guilt/grief slowly escalated over time as Liara thought more and more about what she did and the implications of it (sacrificing Feron for Shepard who may be a dead woman anyway).

There's also the whole guilt thing of handing Shepard's body/corpse to Cerberus.  It was a rough two years for Liara.


I meant that it may not have hit her right then.  I imagine it started at that point and only got worse when she handed the body over to Cerberus.  The icing on the cake was probably Miranda telling her that they may not even be able to bring Shepard back.  But yeah, Liara likely had a rough few years after that.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:19

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Well, I finally watched LotSB on YouTube and... well, it was beautiful, even though I wanted it to go on longer.



The one thing that irked me just a little is that I couldn't heal Vasir, say something about my Cerberus involvement, then send her away after saying that we have no intention of damaging the information network, or at least doing as little possible harm to it as we can.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:21

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TheMarshal wrote...

I meant that it may not have hit her right then.  I imagine it started at that point and only got worse when she handed the body over to Cerberus.  The icing on the cake was probably Miranda telling her that they may not even be able to bring Shepard back.  But yeah, Liara likely had a rough few years after that.


Right, I can see what you're saying.

I should clarify that the reason as to why I had written that post is because I have seen people, on numerous occasions, state that it seems weird, odd and OOC for Liara to want to rescue Feron, and to repay a perceived debt. My intention was to point out that Liara's guilt is very believable, and that I think it would be OOC for her to react with apathy to the entire situation, and allow him to rot in the Shadow Broker's custody.

However, as jlb pointed out, Liara's guilt over Feron's capture is only a single aspect of the grief, sorrow and misery that had been tormenting her in the two years prior to the events of ME2. She's endured an unimaginable amount of pain, and guilt is but a single aspect of it.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:28

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Xilizhra wrote...

Well, I finally watched LotSB on YouTube and... well, it was beautiful, even though I wanted it to go on longer.

The one thing that irked me just a little is that I couldn't heal Vasir, say something about my Cerberus involvement, then send her away after saying that we have no intention of damaging the information network, or at least doing as little possible harm to it as we can.


You haven't played LotSB?! You owe it to yourself to do so ASAP!

Yeah, Vasir's death seems to be something that is a necessary part of the canonical narrative, which results in Shepard and the player being unable to save her life. It's similar to Fai Dan's suicide in ME1, which is something that is easily avoidable via the gas grenades.

Due to the fact that there are absolutely no variables attached to LotSB, I can't help but feel that every single event in the DLC will have some sort of effect on ME3. This includes Vasir's murder at the hands of Shepard. The Citadel Council is going to want answers.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:30

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I never thought it was out of her character to want to recue Feron for 2 years. I thought her dedication to it was insane, since it's was big price, small reward, and only payed off big time by coincidence. Most would've gave up after 3 months, and stopped there, or stopped when it started costing lots and lots of money and time.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:34

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I don't have any money and my computer is terrible. The only way I got to play ME and DA:O is by using the Xbox of a friend whom I was staying with for a few months.



It's regrettable. Vasir's a hostage-taker and building-blower-upper, true, but she's not Saren, who did a lot more damage just because he hated humans. In any case, I'd much rather have her on my side than dead. In fact, I came up with some additional dialogue for her; you could run into her on the Citadel after completing LotSB and tell her that your business is done, the Broker is still alive, and the information network is intact.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:46

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Xilizhra wrote...

I don't have any money and my computer is terrible. The only way I got to play ME and DA:O is by using the Xbox of a friend whom I was staying with for a few months.


Oh, that sucks. Hopefully, you will be able to eventually play LotSB yourself in some way.

It's regrettable. Vasir's a hostage-taker and building-blower-upper, true, but she's not Saren, who did a lot more damage just because he hated humans. In any case, I'd much rather have her on my side than dead. In fact, I came up with some additional dialogue for her; you could run into her on the Citadel after completing LotSB and tell her that your business is done, the Broker is still alive, and the information network is intact.


Indeed. However, as I said above, I can't help but feel that Shepard's murder of a fellow Spectre is something that will play a pivotal plot role at some point in the future. In a similar fashion to the Shadow Broker's death, Feron's survival, and Liara becoming the new Shadow Broker, Vasir's death is a mandatory and unavoidable part of the story, and I think it may have some form of effect in ME3.
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