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[Xilizhra]

Oh, it'll change soon enough.



And I do suspect you're right, which'll make it even more irritating since I won't be able to headcanon it away easily and I was railroaded into the damn thing.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I just wonder how Bioware will handle these events for people that didn't buy LOTSB. perhaps they will just say "Shepard was part of these events, deal with it." Or will they have an alternative story appear where the things happend without Shepard's involvement?

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

I just wonder how Bioware will handle these events for people that didn't buy LOTSB. perhaps they will just say "Shepard was part of these events, deal with it." Or will they have an alternative story appear where the things happend without Shepard's involvement?

The first one. Lair Of The Shadow Broker is part of the "DLC bridge" into Mass Effect 3. This stuff happens cannonically, like the novels and Redemption.

[TMA LIVE]

I think they'll say it happened, but Shepard could be involved, or not involved. So either way, Liara becomes the Shadow Broker, despite Shepard's involvement.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 janvier 2011 - 10:22 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I just wonder how Bioware will handle these events for people that didn't buy LOTSB. perhaps they will just say "Shepard was part of these events, deal with it." Or will they have an alternative story appear where the things happend without Shepard's involvement?

The first one. Lair Of The Shadow Broker is part of the "DLC bridge" into Mass Effect 3. This stuff happens cannonically, like the novels and Redemption.

But Shepard never really had any real involvement in those two things unlike LOTSB where Shepard had a large presence. Which brings me back to my original question.

Will they just say that those things happend like they did if the player brought LOTSB (Shepard was involved), or will they create an alternative canon where Liara became the SB etc. But without Shepard's help?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ericzio wrote...

I have a feeling that Liara will be never seen again or heard of in me3 if you did not get lotsb, because if she did it by herself she probably can't trust anyone or cannot get a hold of shepard seeing how she needs to work in secretive, but that would be a bad decision for people who still love liara but just do not want the dlc.

I have to stronge disagree with this.

Bioware isn't silly enough to remove the only character that CANNOT die in ME if players didn't buy one certain DLC.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Indeed. However, as I said above, I can't help but feel that Shepard's murder of a fellow Spectre is something that will play a pivotal plot role at some point in the future. In a similar fashion to the Shadow Broker's death, Feron's survival, and Liara becoming the new Shadow Broker, Vasir's death is a mandatory and unavoidable part of the story, and I think it may have some form of effect in ME3.

It may...but not as big of a role as Liara becoming the Shadow Broker (which I feel will be a huge plot point in ME) or Feron's survival (which will probably enable Liara to join the crew at some time.

I think this has been discussed before in the thread, that it should be easy to prove to the Council that Tela was out of line and Shepard should be pardoned for her death.  It may have some effect, but I doubt it will be large.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

I think this has been discussed before in the thread, that it should be easy to prove to the Council that Tela was out of line and Shepard should be pardoned for her death.  It may have some effect, but I doubt it will be large.

That would be rather anticlimactic.

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...

And I do suspect you're right, which'll make it even more irritating since I won't be able to headcanon it away easily and I was railroaded into the damn thing.

Yeah...I agree with LET...Vasir will be dead in ME3 no matter what, even if you skip out on LotSB (you won't even know she ever existed in that case). 

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Of course, but this is analysis from an in-universe perspective.

From a meta-perspective, the writers could still use Vasir's death as an influential and prominent plot point in ME3, and devise a reason as to why it would cause the Citadel Council to investigate Shepard's actions. It could be horribly contrived, but the writers will still use it if they have to.

See, I think the purpose of LotSB was to set up Liara as the Shadow Broker and give Shepard an alternative to the Council/Alliance/Cerberus for ME3....and that's it.

I think that the next DLC will set up any possible reasons as to why the Council or the Alliance or whatever is investigating Shepard, if this indeed happens in ME3.  I think this b/c the last story DLC will be more of a set-up for ME3.

[jwalker]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think this has been discussed before in the thread, that it should be easy to prove to the Council that Tela was out of line and Shepard should be pardoned for her death.  It may have some effect, but I doubt it will be large.

Of course, but this is analysis from an in-universe perspective.

From a meta-perspective, the writers could still use Vasir's death as an influential and prominent plot point in ME3, and devise a reason as to why it would cause the Citadel Council to investigate Shepard's actions. It could be horribly contrived, but the writers will still use it if they have to.

Shepard is still working for Cerberus. Collector base blown up or not, she still is. That's good enough reason for the Council or the Alliance to apprehend her.
And Vasir was into shady bussiness.If anything, the Council will be interested in keeping the whole thing under wraps.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Notice the dialogue choice on the left, in the first wheel? The player has the option of being reminded or informed of story events that they did not witness or experience, even if Shepard did so. I imagine that, for those that did not play LotSB, a similar dialogue choice with Liara will exist in ME3. Liara will thank Shepard for her assistance, and the player will be able to receive a quick recap of events that they missed.

Yeah, they have Anderson do the same in ME1...recap what happened in Revelation in case the player did not read that novel.  The novel, just like LotSB, is extra optional content.

The same could be said of Liara recapping Redemption in ME2, or that one quarian on Freedom's Progress recapping a bit of the Ascension novel.

[jlb524]

jwalker wrote...

Shepard is still working for Cerberus. Collector base blown up or not, she still is. That's good enough reason for the Council or the Alliance to apprehend her.

Yeah...it seems you are still with Cerberus even if you defy TIM at the end.  Also, Tela knows a lot about Shepard and Cerberus, and Cerberus itself (and quickly threw Cerberus' crimes back into her face on Azure).  I would guess the Council is keeping tabs on Shepard even if they said they would leave her be as long as she kept to the Terminus system.  I think Cerberus will do something bad in the next DLC, and Shepard will take the fall.

[drwells123]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't have any money and my computer is terrible. The only way I got to play ME and DA:O is by using the Xbox of a friend whom I was staying with for a few months.

It's regrettable. Vasir's a hostage-taker and building-blower-upper, true, but she's not Saren, who did a lot more damage just because he hated humans. In any case, I'd much rather have her on my side than dead. In fact, I came up with some additional dialogue for her; you could run into her on the Citadel after completing LotSB and tell her that your business is done, the Broker is still alive, and the information network is intact.

Maybe TIM will give Vasir a Lazarus project. Despite her ranting about Cerberus, I think she'd fit in better than she realizes (or would admit). And fixing her would be cheap compared to Shepard.

I wonder how many times she's been resurrected in fanfic already

[Xilizhra]

I might actually have her be a party member in my AU we-work-for-the-Shadow-Broker-from-the-beginning fanfic. There's no reason that humans can be the only species with more than one representation in the squad, yes?

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Right, I can see what you're saying.

I should clarify that the reason as to why I had written that post is because I have seen people, on numerous occasions, state that it seems weird, odd and OOC for Liara to want to rescue Feron, and to repay a perceived debt. My intention was to point out that Liara's guilt is very believable, and that I think it would be OOC for her to react with apathy to the entire situation, and allow him to rot in the Shadow Broker's custody.

However, as jlb pointed out, Liara's guilt over Feron's capture is only a single aspect of the grief, sorrow and misery that had been tormenting her in the two years prior to the events of ME2. She's endured an unimaginable amount of pain, and guilt is but a single aspect of it.

I'll admit, while I got that Liara wanted to save Feron, I didn't fully grasp why she was so driven to do so.  The compound guilt and grief is something that I can definitely see causing her to become so hell-bent on her task.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah...it seems you are still with Cerberus even if you defy TIM at the end.  Also, Tela knows a lot about Shepard and Cerberus, and Cerberus itself (and quickly threw Cerberus' crimes back into her face on Azure).  I would guess the Council is keeping tabs on Shepard even if they said they would leave her be as long as she kept to the Terminus system.  I think Cerberus will do something bad in the next DLC, and Shepard will take the fall.

Do we know this for certain?  I admit I'm not doing much in terms of keeping tabs on ME3.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah...it seems you are still with Cerberus even if you defy TIM at the end.  Also, Tela knows a lot about Shepard and Cerberus, and Cerberus itself (and quickly threw Cerberus' crimes back into her face on Azure).  I would guess the Council is keeping tabs on Shepard even if they said they would leave her be as long as she kept to the Terminus system.  I think Cerberus will do something bad in the next DLC, and Shepard will take the fall.

Do we know this for certain?  I admit I'm not doing much in terms of keeping tabs on ME3.

No, we don't know if this is the case in ME3.  It seems you are still with them at the end of ME2, though, and I'm hoping that the next story DLC will focus on how Shepard breaks things off from Cerberus and moves on to...IDK...whatever.  I'm sure Shepard will receive a great deal of aid from Liara regardless.

[TheMarshal]

I dunno... that grin Shepard gives after telling TIM where he can shove his desire for "advancing humanity's interest" leads me to believe that they're not on the friendliest of terms. Of course that assumes you didn't hand them the Collector's base...



I do hope that one way or another, Liara as the Shadow Broker plays an integral role in ME3.

[Mestesso]

jlb524 wrote...

Also, Tela knows a lot about Shepard and Cerberus, and Cerberus itself (and quickly threw Cerberus' crimes back into her face on Azure).  I would guess the Council is keeping tabs on Shepard even if they said they would leave her be as long as she kept to the Terminus system. 

I always saw Tela's knowledge of Cerberus and their involvement with Shepard as being gleaned from her work with the Shadow Broker and not from the Council.  I always got the sense that they (the council) were trying to ignore you as much as they were trying to ignore the Reapers.  It's the Shadow Broker that's interested in what Shep's been up to.  Luckily that's still the case, but, with the new Shadow Broker the interest is MUCH more welcome.

Modifié par Mestesso, 31 janvier 2011 - 02:44 .