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[drwells123]

TheMarshal wrote...

A Good Night Chapter 3 is up! After rewriting the whole damn thing, I thought it would have been longer than 4k words...

Enjoy!

Great!

I know what you mean. I spent two hours writing the other night, typing the entire time. Then I did a word count, figuring I'd put down about 2500 words. Uh, try 800. It was like I got caught in a time warp.

[Blansten]

TheMarshal wrote...

A Good Night Chapter 3 is up! After rewriting the whole damn thing, I thought it would have been longer than 4k words...

Enjoy!

That.Was.AWESOME!

[drwells123]

TheMarshal wrote...

My theory is that they evolved from some sort of parasitic lifeform.

Asari - Highly advanced brain slugs!

Captain's Log. The Enterprise has been ordered to Ceti Alpha V, where it appears my old nemesis Khan is torturing unwitting victims in a mysterious ritual known only as "embracing eternity", involving a hitherto unknown race of blue-skinned aliens. Despite these sinister rumors, and the fact that the planet is surrounded with DO NOT ENTER signs and marked OFF LIMITS in AAA maps in every Federation language, there appears to be a line of ships waiting to land on the planet that backs up all the way to Deneb XXVI...

[TheMarshal]

Blansten wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

A Good Night Chapter 3 is up! After rewriting the whole damn thing, I thought it would have been longer than 4k words...

Enjoy!

That.Was.AWESOME!

Thank you!  :happy:

drwells123 wrote...
Great! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

I
know what you mean. I spent two hours writing the other night, typing
the entire time. Then I did a word count, figuring I'd put down about
2500 words. Uh, try 800. It was like I got caught in a time warp. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

I
was like 85% of the way through this chapter before I realized that
what I was doing wasn't going to work out well in the next few
chapters.  It was a tough call, but I opted to cut a whole bunch out and
rewrite the whole thing  (I kept a fair amount in a "cuts" document,
'cause some of it was pretty funny, despite ultimately not working).

[drwells123]

TheMarshal wrote...

I was like 85% of the way through this chapter before I realized that
what I was doing wasn't going to work out well in the next few
chapters.  It was a tough call, but I opted to cut a whole bunch out and
rewrite the whole thing  (I kept a fair amount in a "cuts" document,
'cause some of it was pretty funny, despite ultimately not working).

Murder your darlings, but keep a cuts file. If you don't end up reusing it you could always post it as an addendum. I like reading through early drafts of Ibsen plays to see how they evolved.

Sitting down to dinner so I finally get to read your latest

[jlb524]

Wow, Marshal...that last chapter was excellent. I loved Alice's convo with the two women in the bathroom about the asari. That was well written.



...and Liara dancing...always win.

[Robhuzz]

^Oh god... I don't even want to think about Shepard and Liara having an Ardat-Yakshi daughter O_o



Your argument sounds pretty realistic though, if multiple generations of pureblood reproductions really increased the chance of an Ardat-Yakshi being born, the asari would've died out a long time ago.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Wow, Marshal...that last chapter was excellent. I loved Alice's convo with the two women in the bathroom about the asari. That was well written.

...and Liara dancing...always win.

Thanks!  I'm glad I went with them instead of having that whole bit take place inside Alice's head.  Or maybe it is taking place inside her head!  *gasp!*  *twilight zone*

[rolson00]

i really dont like her ne more when i played me1 again i made my femshep go for kaiden for me she just dont care about shepard ne more when shepard nealy gets a broken neck liara didnt even look just ran on cared more for a guy she just met two years ago than shep

[Xilizhra]

And Kaidan cares more somehow?



Also, did you take any of the Paragon interrupts or invite Liara back up for drinks?

[rolson00]

Xilizhra wrote...

And Kaidan cares more somehow?

Also, did you take any of the Paragon interrupts or invite Liara back up for drinks?

i did its just that for me bioware changed her too much too hardend i mean would you care more for someone u just met that kept lying to you or the love of your life? in me1 i just couldnt go with laira knowing what she becomes

Modifié par rolson00, 05 février 2011 - 11:25 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Wow, Marshal...that last chapter was excellent. I loved Alice's convo with the two women in the bathroom about the asari. That was well written.

...and Liara dancing...always win.

Thanks!  I'm glad I went with them instead of having that whole bit take place inside Alice's head.  Or maybe it is taking place inside her head!  *gasp!*  *twilight zone*

I sense a plot twist!  

Shepard wakes up and realizes it's really only hours after Eden Prime and Liara was a coma induced dream caused by the Prothean beacon.

[jlb524]

rolson00 wrote...

i did its just that for me bioware changed her too much too hardend i mean would you care more for someone u just met that kept lying to you or the love of your life? in me1 i just couldnt go with laira knowing what she becomes

I think it's clear Liara doesn't care more for Feron than Shepard, considering she choose to save Shepard's dead body over Feron, who was a living breathing person.

[Khaos2000]

I'm only on page 91 of this thread (Reading it in one sitting even oi!) So I don't know if this has been said but it seems pretty clear to me that the Reapers don't destroy all organic life. There was a Promethean base on Mars, we know they (The prometheans) studied cave men pretty extensively from ME1 and it was this base that made Humanity find the Mass Relays to begin with and be able to use them which lead to the first contact war.

This gives rise to two interesting theories (Which I hope haven't been mulled over in the next 60 pages) which follow:

A) Reapers pick THE DOMINANT race, or space faring races every 50,000 years from which to create a new reaper from. In this time it happens to be the young upstarts who are shoving everyone else around in a VERY short amount of time. Thus humanity is the focus of Reaper aggression primarily. Shepherd being able to wack Sovereign and the Collectors simply reinforces this necessity.

That the Reapers -could- very well go after Liara in order to try and take away humanity's best weapon: Shepherd. It may not be indoctrination or a fall from grace type of thing but more of a sneak attack, distraction, feint type of thing or a simple trap to get Shepherd where they can take out the greatest weapon humanity has and begin the culling.



So, yes, I can see the Reapers attacking Liara and it being justifiable in order to get rid of the Shadow Broker aspect, in addition to the Shadow Broker Network under T'Soni's guidance being a VERY potent weapon the Reapers would want gone. Recall the Protheans again: They like to isolate and destroy. The Shadow Brokers network is extensive and nearly impossible to cripple completely.



Again, sorry if this has been discussed but don't know if I'll be able to stay awake to read the entire thread tonight

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

i did its just that for me bioware changed her too much too hardend i mean would you care more for someone u just met that kept lying to you or the love of your life? in me1 i just couldnt go with laira knowing what she becomes

I think it's clear Liara doesn't care more for Feron than Shepard, considering she choose to save Shepard's dead body over Feron, who was a living breathing person.

Yeah, but then she doesn't help Shepard on his suicide mission, because she needs to save Feron, who was most likely dead. It's the same treatment in a way, so they're even. Relationship wise, it's just a matter of one of them doing something about it.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 février 2011 - 02:49 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, but then she doesn't help Shepard on his suicide mission, because she needs to save Feron, who was most likely dead. It's the same treatment in a way, so they're even. Relationship wise, it's just a matter of one of them doing something about it.

Not really...I never got the 'Liara doesn't care' vibe from the Illium part.

Also, I think it completely selfish of Shepard to expect Liara to drop two years of hard work (blood, sweat and tears) to run off on a suicide mission with Shepard and Shepard is out of line to think Liara 'doesn't care', especially when considering Shepard already has a ship full of grunts to throw at the mission.

Modifié par jlb524, 06 février 2011 - 05:19 .

[yesikareyes]

Is it just me or did Liara get a bit chubby in ME2? I don't know guys she looks so different from the first game. Oh and I missed it when she was still naive and cute when you tease her that you were only joking about things. She's grown to be more mature It's sad but kudos to the writers for great character development!



Jeez, I didn't pick Ashley in ME1 because she sounded so serious.

[Master Shiori]

I love her new looks and attitude in LotSB.



Yeah, she did mature in 2 years that Shep was gone, but considering what she went through it's hardly surprising.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, but then she doesn't help Shepard on his suicide mission, because she needs to save Feron, who was most likely dead. It's the same treatment in a way, so they're even. Relationship wise, it's just a matter of one of them doing something about it.

Not really...I never got the 'Liara doesn't care' vibe from the Illium part.

Also, I think it completely selfish of Shepard to expect Liara to drop two years of hard work (blood, sweat and tears) to run off on a suicide mission with Shepard and Shepard is out of line to think Liara 'doesn't care', especially when considering Shepard already has a ship full of grunts to throw at the mission.

Oh "Liara doesn't care" was the issue? I never thought that. I just thought you said she didn't care about Feron more then Shepard. While I'm just saying she cares about them evenly, until one of them finally makes a move.

[Blansten]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, but then she doesn't help Shepard on his suicide mission, because she needs to save Feron, who was most likely dead. It's the same treatment in a way, so they're even. Relationship wise, it's just a matter of one of them doing something about it.

Not really...I never got the 'Liara doesn't care' vibe from the Illium part.

Also, I think it completely selfish of Shepard to expect Liara to drop two years of hard work (blood, sweat and tears) to run off on a suicide mission with Shepard and Shepard is out of line to think Liara 'doesn't care', especially when considering Shepard already has a ship full of grunts to throw at the mission.

Oh "Liara doesn't care" was the issue? I never thought that. I just thought you said she didn't care about Feron more then Shepard. While I'm just saying she cares about them evenly, until one of them finally makes a move.

I disagree, IMO it is obvious that Liara does indeed care more for Shepard. She rescued him from the SB and delivered him to Cerberus so that he might live again, after that he was as safe as he could be. Feron however was left behind while saving her (and Shepard's body). She has been driven by greif and guilt for 2 years, Feron could have been dead but he could also have been alive, she had no way of knowing.

To me her comment to Shepard of "I have a debt to repay" makes it very clear that the guilt is what is driving her not that she cares more for Feron. Shepard can take care of himself and she knows that as well as anyone, he didn't need saving but there was a possibility that Feron did.

[Khaos2000]

Now that I have finished all 158 pages of this thread... took a while, I will be on topic (Though I still see the reapers going for Liara/SB as I stated above)



For me I couldn't get into Kaiden at all, so Liara was my choice for my first femshep (Cathryne is a paragon vanguard). I played ME1 not long before ME2 came out, or even after, don't recall, but before LoTSB came out. For me getting to Illium was like a serious slap in the face. The -only- reason Cathryne didn't move on was because none of the new female LI's interested me at all. Thane almost got me but he is to wrapped up in the past for Cathryne who has to live in the -now- in order to keep hope high.



Back on topic: Liara on Illium before LoTSB it was easy for my manshep Marcus to move on A) Because Tali is adorable and anyone who doesn't hug her when she finds her father is a monster, and Because Liara was -clearly- not interested in pursuing things right now. Liara knew/knows what limited time Marcus had/has and still pushed him away. Just like Ashley had, though for different reasons. It also promoted the idea that Feron was now her driving focus and alluded to their being more there that Liara had 'moved on'.



Two years or not it was rough on him which is why when Tali at least opened up to Marcus he fell for her.



Now I just recently got LoTSB and am giddy for Cathryne as that was beautiful for her but for Marcus it wasn't renegade, but it was business. Liara had seen to that.



What I'm trying to say summed up is this:



Don't be so angry at those who tossed Liara for a new LI, the way Bioware wrote it before LoTSB came out it was an EASY thing to do for some shep's.



Now after having played through LoTSB with Cathryne I played through ME1 and 2 again with Mara, who is in Adept and Liara the whole way through. Lair has made it hard for me to pick which is my 'canon' shep, as it was firmly going to be Marcus moving forward but now Mara might become it. I am hoping the third DLC will allow Dominic to finally reconcile with Ashley though.