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[ACC3SS]

We're discussing potential names for Liara and Shepard's children?

I have definitely found the right topic.



I think naming a child Benezia would be a great idea.

Along those same lines, Shepard's mother, Hannah, is captain of the SSV Orizaba. If something were to happen to the Orizaba in ME3, bestowing the name "Hannah" upon one of the children would be fitting.

[jwalker]

jbauck wrote...

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Of course, in my headcanon, frequent Asari Union with a permanent partner over a long period of time slows the human aging process more and more until it practically stops, allowing Shep to live an asari-like span of time. What? I can do anything I want in headcanon, I'm a sucker for a happy ending, and it's no sillier than the concept of the Asari Union in the first place

I like how you think ;-)

I guess that'll be harder on Shepard. The way Liara talks about it  in ME1, it seems a very common thing in Asari culture to endure their bondmates' deaths, and yet they stay positive.
Hell, Blue Rose of Illium is rather blunt about it:   "... like dating a human where you just stick it out for a century until they die..."

[jlb524]

ACC3SS wrote...

I think naming a child Benezia would be a great idea.

Along those same lines, Shepard's mother, Hannah, is captain of the SSV Orizaba. If something were to happen to the Orizaba in ME3, bestowing the name "Hannah" upon one of the children would be fitting.

Those are two good 'canon' names for the children (named after parents).

Of course, a Colonist Shepard can name one after her mother, but that name is left up to the player's imagination.

[ACC3SS]

jlb524 wrote...

Those are two good 'canon' names for the children (named after parents).

Of course, a Colonist Shepard can name one after her mother, but that name is left up to the player's imagination.

Oh, right. There are different Shepards. I forgot.

[jlb524]

ACC3SS wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Those are two good 'canon' names for the children (named after parents).

Of course, a Colonist Shepard can name one after her mother, but that name is left up to the player's imagination.

Oh, right. There are different Shepards. I forgot.

I forget sometimes too.  I'm quite attached to my own. 

She's Earthborn, so no parents for naming opportunities.  Still, I like the idea of 'Benezia' as a name for one.  I'll have to get creative for more (not even sure if their will be more at this point).

Also, it's still unknown if Liara will ever be old enough to have children in Shepard's life time.  I'm assuming BW will make it possible, or they probably wouldn't have added the 'blue children' line into LotSB.

[pacer90]

The shoulder shove and averting eyes were very well done. Really conveyed Liara's poorly hidden desire for what Shepard was joking about lol

[jbauck]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jwalker wrote...
I like how you think ;-)

I guess that'll be harder on Shepard. The way Liara talks about it  in ME1, it seems a very common thing in Asari culture to endure their bondmates' deaths, and yet they stay positive.
Hell, Blue Rose of Illium is rather blunt about it:   "... like dating a human where you just stick it out for a century until they die..."

I'd always thought that, had Liara heard that asari trivialise human/asari relationships in that manner, she'd wish to calmly yet forcefully correct her misconceptions, and demonstrate to her that her relationship with Shepard is one built on a foundation of genuine trust, love and dedication to each other. A part of me thinks that Liara would find that asari's ignorance to be quite insulting.

Whilst I do think that Liara will eventually move on and find another lover following Shepard's death, I also believe that her mourning period will be substantially lengthier when compared to that of other asari. Shepard's death is not something that she is going to be able to get over quite easily, and I can imagine the pain being quite intense. In time, however, she will be okay. She'll never forget Shepard, but she will eventually move on.

I will admit that I tear up when Shep hands over the locket for the random Asari on Illium and the Asari explains its a picture of her bondmate and the only thing her daughter has to remember Steven by.  Yes, I even remember the random human dude's name - it was that touching.  That's how Liara will feel about it - though she's already demonstrated she's much, much better at collecting things to remember Shep by.

As for baby names, I'm going to cheer myself up by going with: they name their children after the place they were conceived, and their honeymoon results in little baby Normandy T'Soni-Shepard.  'Cuz, well, it was a long flight.

[jlb524]

Right, if that suggestion was something appalling or unwanted to Liara, she would have probably told Shepard so given that Liara seems pretty open about her feelings and desires.



She doesn't want all this now, but when 'this is all over'.

[ACC3SS]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do think that a possible bondmate ceremony in ME3 has been foreshadowed enough times, but we'll have to wait and see. Personally, I'd be overjoyed if BW incorporated something like this!

Overjoyed would be an understatement, methinks.

[jlb524]

Yes, the 'Blue Rose' asari and the 'Locket' asari definitely view human relationships (and relationships in general) differently. The 'Locket' asari was with someone she deeply cared for and had a child with. The 'Blue Rose' asari doesn't seem to be looking for anything long term. Seriously, she asks a stranger for advice on her love life...how serious can she be?



I think it can be said that different asari view relationships differently, just like humans, though they do have the 'long view' with regards to non-asari pairings. I think this just means they are better at coping with the loss of their loved one (as it's inevitable) early on in the relationship, but this doesn't mean they will ever forget that loved one or stop loving them. The dead partner supposedly lives on in the asari, somehow.

[rvayda141]

Something that always bugged me at the end of lotsb was the Illusive Man's mission report, in the last line it says something along the lines of "Will have to keep a close eye on Shepard's relationship with the asari." I don't know how vindictive TIM will be with Shepard's who weren't exactly cooperative with Cerberus agendas during ME2, but if he does decide to get payback, he knows more than enough about Shepard to hurt her. I also really don't like the fact that Cerberus apparently knows the location of the SB base now too, especially since Liara may not have rebuilt the merc force that were the Yahg Broker's guards.

On a lighter note, I can see Shepard and Liara naming their children in honor of their friends who don't make it/give their lives during the reaper war, maybe as middle names or using parts of the name. Benezia and Samara (someone i can easily see doing the heroic sacrifice thing) would be good names for them.

[jlb524]

After reading the Retribution novel, I doubt Cerberus will be in a position to take on the Shadow Broker. I've always felt that the Shadow Broker had more resources and was hence more powerful than Cerberus any way.

It's also quite possible they added the "will have to watch Shepard's relationship with the asari" line in for the same reason The Illusive Man asks Shepard about Ashley or Kaidan after Horizon ("I assume you've put your past relationships behind you." --I think this is what he says). He just wants to ensure that past friendships (and possible romantic attachments) don't end up affecting Shepard and the mission by extension. This would especially apply if LotSB was pre-SM.

I just think it would be really stupid and petty for the Illusive Man to make a move against Shepard (and Liara who should be aiding Shepard) in ME3, given that the fate of the Earth is at stake.

Modifié par jlb524, 14 décembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[jbauck]

rvayda141 wrote...
Something that always bugged me at the end of lotsb was the Illusive Man's mission report, in the last line it says something along the lines of "Will have to keep a close eye on Shepard's relationship with the asari." I don't know how vindictive TIM will be with Shepard's who weren't exactly cooperative with Cerberus agendas during ME2, but if he does decide to get payback, he knows more than enough about Shepard to hurt her. I also really don't like the fact that Cerberus apparently knows the location of the SB base now too, especially since Liara may not have rebuilt the merc force that were the Yahg Broker's guards.

In a meta sense, I doubt BW would go there, in a "she was assassinated, and you couldn't stop it" way, as I'm sure they're aware that would be infuriating and not at all cool. 

In an in-game way, I imagine TIM knows that Shep would kill him.  TIM might know where the SB base is, but Miranda knows where TIM is: she's at TIM's super-secret hideout when they're discussing Shep in the opening.  So, I'd buy TIM being that vindictive, but I would be shocked if TIM turned out to be dumb enough to ****** off the second-deadliest SOB in space.  Even if he moved his hideout, he'd have to know Shep would find him.

[Sable Phoenix]

Captain Iglo wrote...



another interview...shes got a cool FF13 tattoo

Holy crap, she is so cute.

[jwalker]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...



another interview...shes got a cool FF13 tattoo

Holy crap, she is so cute.

... the way she moves and smiles when she talks....

[jwalker]

jbauck wrote...

rvayda141 wrote...
Something that always bugged me at the end of lotsb was the Illusive Man's mission report, in the last line it says something along the lines of "Will have to keep a close eye on Shepard's relationship with the asari." I don't know how vindictive TIM will be with Shepard's who weren't exactly cooperative with Cerberus agendas during ME2, but if he does decide to get payback, he knows more than enough about Shepard to hurt her. I also really don't like the fact that Cerberus apparently knows the location of the SB base now too, especially since Liara may not have rebuilt the merc force that were the Yahg Broker's guards.

In a meta sense, I doubt BW would go there, in a "she was assassinated, and you couldn't stop it" way, as I'm sure they're aware that would be infuriating and not at all cool. 

In an in-game way, I imagine TIM knows that Shep would kill him.  TIM might know where the SB base is, but Miranda knows where TIM is: she's at TIM's super-secret hideout when they're discussing Shep in the opening.  So, I'd buy TIM being that vindictive, but I would be shocked if TIM turned out to be dumb enough to ****** off the second-deadliest SOB in space.  Even if he moved his hideout, he'd have to know Shep would find him.

But being the SB is dangerous business, a lot of enemies. Not only TIM. He knows that.
And now anonimacy is not longer an asset. He can leak information everywhere anytime.

Let's say my sheps don't sleep easy knowing that TIM knows

[jlb524]

jbauck wrote...

In a meta sense, I doubt BW would go there, in a "she was assassinated, and you couldn't stop it" way, as I'm sure they're aware that would be infuriating and not at all cool. 

In an in-game way, I imagine TIM knows that Shep would kill him.  TIM might know where the SB base is, but Miranda knows where TIM is: she's at TIM's super-secret hideout when they're discussing Shep in the opening.  So, I'd buy TIM being that vindictive, but I would be shocked if TIM turned out to be dumb enough to ****** off the second-deadliest SOB in space.  Even if he moved his hideout, he'd have to know Shep would find him.

Yeah, I doubt BW would make the death of a beloved character that was in every game of the trilogy unaviodable (not to mention, Liara's an LI).

TIM's base moves around (it's a space station), so while Miranda knew where he was at that one time, she doesn't now.

Still, it would be totally stupid for TIM to want to take out the Shadow Broker.  For one, you have no idea what kind of power vacuum losing that figure head would cause in the galaxy, as far as the information biz goes.  It could lead to chaos.  I think that's part of the reason Liara took over as the Shadow Broker.  One was to help Shepard, and I think the second reason was to prevent the consequences of there not being a Shadow Broker in the galaxy.  We saw, in LotSB, the chaos that ensued and the panic from agents when the network was down for a few minutes.  He may want to take over the network himself, but I'm not sure if he can manage Cerberus and the network himself (unless he places a Cerberus lackey in charge of being the SB).

I think, regardless, it would be better for him to wait and see what Liara does as the Shadow Broker and let things play out up and through ME3 and the Reaper war.  After that, I think it would make more sense for him to make a move to possibly take over the SB's network.

[ACC3SS]

Although I don't believe the Illusive Man has the resources to go after Liara (read Retribution), I wouldn't put an attempt on Liara's life past BioWare.

Consider what Rockstar did with Grand Theft Auto IV...

WARNING: GTAIV SPOILER
Either Roman or Kate die. Both characters are important to Niko, but that doesn't save them from getting the axe.
END SPOILER

As much as I hate to say it, I truly believe that Liara may be in danger in Mass Effect 3.

[TMA LIVE]

You know, I never thought of this before, but I finally thought of a good reason why Liara rushes the romance on the second dialogue choice (besides having a late romance).



She's worried and under pressure that you might already be starting a relationship with Kaidan/Ash, and wants to take a chance before it's too late. A damned if you do, damned if you don't moment. But after things are confirmed, she'd happy, but doesn't know what to do.

[jlb524]

That's a good point. Though, I usually end the potential relationship with Kaidan ASAP so Liara has nothing to worry about. I guess Liara is bad at picking up on that stuff.

[Sable Phoenix]

ACC3SS wrote...

Although I don't believe the Illusive Man has the resources to go after Liara (read Retribution), I wouldn't put an attempt on Liara's life past BioWare.

Consider what Rockstar did with Grand Theft Auto IV...

WARNING: GTAIV SPOILER
Either Roman or Kate die. Both characters are important to Niko, but that doesn't save them from getting the axe.
END SPOILER

As much as I hate to say it, I truly believe that Liara may be in danger in Mass Effect 3.

BioWare ain't Rockstar, and Mass Effect ain't Gran' Theft Auto.

If Liara somehow were to be unavoidably killed in ME3, I'd probably throw the disc against the wall and never touch the game again.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 14 décembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[ACC3SS]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ACC3SS wrote...

Although I don't believe the Illusive Man has the resources to go after Liara (read Retribution), I wouldn't put an attempt on Liara's life past BioWare.

Consider what Rockstar did with Grand Theft Auto IV...

WARNING: GTAIV SPOILER
Either Roman or Kate die. Both characters are important to Niko, but that doesn't save them from getting the axe.
END SPOILER

As much as I hate to say it, I truly believe that Liara may be in danger in Mass Effect 3.

BioWare ain't Rockstar, and Mass Effect ain't Gran' Theft Auto.

If Liara somehow were to be unavoidably killed in ME3, I'd probably throw the disc against the wall and never touch the game again.

The video you linked isn't viewable in Canada. Can you summarize?

I wasn't trying to draw parallels between Rockstar and BioWare, merely noting that the death of the protagonist's love-interest is a valid plot device.