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[Sable Phoenix]

Blansten wrote...

I also like how they bicker and get frustrated with each other in the early parts of the mission, also much more realistic
than if they had just fallen into each others arms without having to work for it (or work as much as you can in a video game). Liara's exhausted "I can't think about this now" and Shep's "Fine" do a lot to build up the tension for the final relationship discussion.

I also like deeing my Shep so unsure of her/his self when asking about the relationship with Feron. Liara is the one in charge in this situation and it's a nice change from the ME1 romance. I really feel they are on equal footing more than ever before which is important for a healthy relationship.

Bring on the Blue Babies!

Yes, this, very much.  The writing for LOTSB was very, very adult.  Not as in "adult entertainment", so called, but adult in maturity level and realism.  The romance really does feel like a real relationship feels when it's going through the hard parts that inevitably strike.

(As an aside, this equality you mention is also why I feel that femShep works much better for Liara than manShep.  There's more of an equality between the two all the way from the start, and by the cabin scene at LOTSB it's almost as if Liara is actually the lead partner... a feeling that I don't get with manShep.)

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 12 février 2011 - 09:25 .

[Blansten]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Blansten wrote...

I also like how they bicker and get frustrated with each other in the early parts of the mission, also much more realistic
than if they had just fallen into each others arms without having to work for it (or work as much as you can in a video game). Liara's exhausted "I can't think about this now" and Shep's "Fine" do a lot to build up the tension for the final relationship discussion.

I also like deeing my Shep so unsure of her/his self when asking about the relationship with Feron. Liara is the one in charge in this situation and it's a nice change from the ME1 romance. I really feel they are on equal footing more than ever before which is important for a healthy relationship.

Bring on the Blue Babies!

Yes, this, very much.  The writing for LOTSB was very, very adult.  Not as in "adult entertainment", so called, but adult in maturity level and realism.  The romance really does feel like a real relationship feels when it's going through the hard parts that inevitably strike.

(As an aside, this equality you mention is also why I feel that femShep works much better for Liara than manShep.  There's more of an equality between the two all the way from the start, and by the cabin scene at LOTSB it's almost as if Liara is actually the lead partner... a feeling that I don't get with manShep.)

I agree with your aside. I play all classes with each gender (damn my obsessive compulsive nature) and I prefer the FemShep/Liara relationship although all my male Sheps except 1 romance Liara as well (Ash and Kaiden each have a Shep of there own). I like all the ME1 squad mates and most of the ME2 characters as well but the ME1 crew just seemed to have more substance to them and to me, Liara especially so.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Meshakhad2 wrote...
I wouldn't kill TIM. Someone needs to bring my girl her coffee!

Oh man, somebody should fanart this.

Is tempting...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

As an aside, has anybody ever considered the subtext to the awkward silence following the Shadow Broker's defeat, as Liara pants from exhaustion? I get the impression that Shepard also feels a little uneasy at this point, and the pair of them are not really sure of what to say to each other. Of course, that brief period of interaction is identical in a non-romance playthrough, but I think it has been left sufficiently ambiguous enough to be open to interpretation. Obviously, I perceive it to be an element of the Shepard/Liara romance, and the unease that exists between the pair of them at that point. I love the DLC's nuance, and I'm also noticing something new during each playthrough.

I saw it as uncertainty on Liara's part, and "Let's talk about it once you're ready" from Shepard's side with some uncertainty mixed in aswell.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 12 février 2011 - 11:44 .

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

As an aside, has anybody ever considered the subtext to the awkward silence following the Shadow Broker's defeat, as Liara pants from exhaustion? I get the impression that Shepard also feels a little uneasy at this point, and the pair of them are not really sure of what to say to each other. Of course, that brief period of interaction is identical in a non-romance playthrough, but I think it has been left sufficiently ambiguous enough to be open to interpretation. Obviously, I perceive it to be an element of the Shepard/Liara romance, and the unease that exists between the pair of them at that point. I love the DLC's nuance, and I'm also noticing something new during each playthrough.

I saw it as uncertainty on Liara's part, and "Let's talk about it once you're ready" from Shepard's side with some uncertainty mixed in aswell.

I loved that moment.  While it would have been very 'Hollywood' for them to run into each other's arms and magically everything would be okay, the way they reacted acknowledged that the past two years had happened, and things weren't necessarily going to be the same, but it would require a renewed effort on both their parts to make the relationship work.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

As an aside, has anybody ever considered the subtext to the awkward silence following the Shadow Broker's defeat, as Liara pants from exhaustion? I get the impression that Shepard also feels a little uneasy at this point, and the pair of them are not really sure of what to say to each other. Of course, that brief period of interaction is identical in a non-romance playthrough, but I think it has been left sufficiently ambiguous enough to be open to interpretation. Obviously, I perceive it to be an element of the Shepard/Liara romance, and the unease that exists between the pair of them at that point. I love the DLC's nuance, and I'm also noticing something new during each playthrough.

I saw it as uncertainty on Liara's part, and "Let's talk about it once you're ready" from Shepard's side with some uncertainty mixed in aswell.

I loved that moment.  While it would have been very 'Hollywood' for them to run into each other's arms and magically everything would be okay, the way they reacted acknowledged that the past two years had happened, and things weren't necessarily going to be the same, but it would require a renewed effort on both their parts to make the relationship work.

Exactly. I liked when she said the "It's been two years. I don't..... We're diffrent people. You hvae your mission and--" line, shows that no matter what, things have changed. Granted I liked the respond Shepard has to it too

Also regarding the whole "Being equal part".

Liara was already one of the most vital persons in the search for the conduit, she recovered Shepard's body so the commander could be brought back to life, now she is also one of the most powerful persons in the galaxy. Not only that, she is also one of the few who (our) Shepard seems to be able to drop the facade and act human. I say that makes her equal to Shepard.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 13 février 2011 - 12:26 .

[Blansten]

Lizardviking wrote...

Liara was already one of the most vital persons in the search for the conduit, she recovered Shepard's body so the commander could be brought back to life, now she is also one of the most powerful persons in the galaxy. Not only that, she is also one of the few who (our) Shepard seems to be able to drop the facade and act human. I say that makes her equal to Shepard.

I meant by her own estimation, she even brings up having cowered before the Krogan on Therum and now
Shepard is helping her again, she says this as though it is weakness on her part. I believe that by the end of LofSB her self confidence is on par with Shepardsand she sees herself as an equal. I think that is what adds to the "grown up" feel of the reltionship vs. ME1 which was more about her coming of age and falling in love for the first time with all theinsecurities that come with that. Even when you first meet her in ME2 she is unsure whether or not you will hate her for what she has done ... (as if). She has definately has the most interesting squad mate journey so far IMO

[drwells123]

maitreikrit2 wrote...

It'ss the unfinished version of fan art of the wedding scene between my Jane Shepard and Liara T'soni based on Chapter 9 of my fanfic.  thanks a lot ClarkVador a devianart member and a french forumer to bioware forum.

[snip]

the version  2 includes dad's liara aka Matriarch Aaethyta and the Quarian l'admiral Koris vas Qwib-Qwib

No surprise for jlb141 and LesEnfantsTerribles.

That looks fantastic maitrekrit2. Very well done.

[drwells123]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

drwells123 wrote...

http://www.fanfictio...6431630/20/Duet

Excellent! Thanks, drwells.

My pleasure.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but I just recently stumbled across this and thought it rocked:





Original link:

http://fc05.devianta...911-d2ynldt.png

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 13 février 2011 - 07:30 .

[maitreikrit2]

drwells123 wrote...
That looks fantastic maitrekrit2. Very well done.

thanks my deviantart page :

maitreikrit.deviantart.com/#/d38u8pk

[Blansten]

maitreikrit2 wrote...

drwells123 wrote...
That looks fantastic maitrekrit2. Very well done.

thanks my deviantart page :

maitreikrit.deviantart.com/#/d38u8pk

I looked through your gallary, I love Liara's wedding dress it's beautiful.

[jlb524]

maitreikrit2 wrote...

drwells123 wrote...
That looks fantastic maitrekrit2. Very well done.

thanks my deviantart page :

maitreikrit.deviantart.com/#/d38u8pk

Thanks.

Will there be a color version of the wedding pic, then?

[Stealthy Giraffe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

As an aside, has anybody ever considered the subtext to the awkward silence following the Shadow Broker's defeat, as Liara pants from exhaustion? I get the impression that Shepard also feels a little uneasy at this point, and the pair of them are not really sure of what to say to each other. Of course, that brief period of interaction is identical in a non-romance playthrough, but I think it has been left sufficiently ambiguous enough to be open to interpretation. Obviously, I perceive it to be an element of the Shepard/Liara romance, and the unease that exists between the pair of them at that point. I love the DLC's nuance, and I'm also noticing something new during each playthrough.

With my first playthrough of LotSB that scene stuck out for me. I had a bit of a "huh, well that was interesting" kind of moment when Shepard walked away from Liara like that. I believe, as others have said, that the two of them are uneasy with each other and unsure where the relationship stands.  But along with that, my impression was that Shepard was still slightly put out by Liara's refusal to talk about the relationship on Azure. She wanted to talk then, but Liara didn't. Now Shepard believes the ball is in Liara's court and it's up to her to make the next move/decide when she's ready to talk. Shepard's delivery of "Fine" on Azure seemed filled with hurt, disappointment, frustration and a bit of anger and I think that bled over into this encounter. She wasn't deliberately trying to hurt Liara (because deep down she knows that she has been through a lot to get to this point, and at the end of the day Shepard really just wants to hold her), but the irrational part of her mind wouldn't allow her to completely dismiss Liara's earlier actions either. She needed to see if the other squadmate was ok, so used that opportunity to give Liara (and herself) some time.

[jlb524]

How do you think Shepard's reaction in that moment affected Liara's decision to become the Shadow Broker shortly after?



I mean, if Shepard had grabbed Liara then and kissed her, she might have been too distracted to jump into the Shadow Broker role....or even if they were simply discussing the relationship and their future.



Instead, Shepard walks off to attend to the other party member as a flood of confused SB agents report in over the comm link...

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

How do you think Shepard's reaction in that moment affected Liara's decision to become the Shadow Broker shortly after?

I mean, if Shepard had grabbed Liara then and kissed her, she might have been too distracted to jump into the Shadow Broker role....or even if they were simply discussing the relationship and their future.

Instead, Shepard walks off to attend to the other party member as a flood of confused SB agents report in over the comm link...

I've been wrestling with this for a while, trying to figure out if Shepard walking away was one of the key reasons that Liara chose to become the Shadow Broker, or if she would have done so regardless of Shepard's actions.  It's obvious that Liara struggles with the choice regardless.  I think that one of the reasons that she was acting so distant throughout ME2 and most of LotSB was because she was afraid that if she allowed herself to feel that relief at Shepard's return, she would have faltered on her quest to save Feron, thus dooming him.  Likewise, once the Shadow Broker is dead, she realizes that the fight isn't over yet, and again denies herself what she wants so that she can help Shepard the best way possible.

I still think that there could have been some dialogue between the two of them before she takes up the Shadow Broker mantle, though I'm not quite sure what would have been said.

[Tancho]

jlb524 wrote...

How do you think Shepard's reaction in that moment affected Liara's decision to become the Shadow Broker shortly after?

I mean, if Shepard had grabbed Liara then and kissed her, she might have been too distracted to jump into the Shadow Broker role....or even if they were simply discussing the relationship and their future.

Instead, Shepard walks off to attend to the other party member as a flood of confused SB agents report in over the comm link...

Yeah, I've also struggled with why Shepard was silent in that moment. There was at least a second between standing up and realizing that their other squad mate was stirring. 

But, really, I like that Liara simply made the decision herself. I mean, while I think that her and Shepard discussing it is definitely good, I love that the equality in the relationship allows them to make individual decisions and still be supported by the other. 

I mean, Liara describes it as a 'dream job'. She obviously enjoys being the Shadow Broker ("although the location could be better..."). I don't think her relationship with Shepard would have affected it, or rather, should have affected it. Job choices can add stress to a relationship, but if you're truly willing to make the other happy, it shouldn't. They obviously love each other enough to know that they may have to be in two places at once, but they can still love and support each other regardless.

[jlb524]

Tancho wrote...

But, really, I like that Liara simply made the decision herself. I mean, while I think that her and Shepard discussing it is definitely good, I love that the equality in the relationship allows them to make individual decisions and still be supported by the other.

I love this too.  I know my Shepard wouldn't have interfered with Liara at that moment.   I imagine as she helped the other squad mate, she watched in silence as Liara did her thing and became the Shadow Broker.  

[jlb524]

rynluna wrote...
Yes, this also happens in the cabin scene when Shep and Liara talk about defeating the collectors. 
Shep: We fought them in their own base and we won. 
Then Liara makes this facial expression that I've always wondered what it meant.  It's open to interpretation.

I always wondered that as well.  I think perhaps Liara is a bit dissapointed because the couple is talking about business and not about themselves.  Shortly after, Liara steers the conversation in that direction.

[Stealthy Giraffe]

jlb524 wrote...

How do you think Shepard's reaction in that moment affected Liara's decision to become the Shadow Broker shortly after?

I mean, if Shepard had grabbed Liara then and kissed her, she might have been too distracted to jump into the Shadow Broker role....or even if they were simply discussing the relationship and their future.

Instead, Shepard walks off to attend to the other party member as a flood of confused SB agents report in over the comm link...

Hmm, well unless it was the most mind-blowing kiss ever, Liara would still be aware of the commotion in the background XD
But seriously, while she may have been distracted if Shepard had reacted differently, I still think after hearing the SB agents calling in she would have realised there was still good that she could do by taking on that responsibility. So, while she may have been happy to get caught up in the moment of reconnecting with Shepard, I don't think her sense of duty would allow her to ignore such an opportunity. She's just not selfish enough to do that. Granted, she may have been distracted enough that she didn't have her full wits about her, but again, I think she's resourceful enough to have pulled it off either way.

EDIT: And OMG, how many times can I say "enough"!!!! oops.

Modifié par Stealthy Giraffe, 14 février 2011 - 05:47 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

rynluna wrote...
Yes, this also happens in the cabin scene when Shep and Liara talk about defeating the collectors. 
Shep: We fought them in their own base and we won. 
Then Liara makes this facial expression that I've always wondered what it meant.  It's open to interpretation.

I always wondered that as well.  I think perhaps Liara is a bit dissapointed because the couple is talking about business and not about themselves.  Shortly after, Liara steers the conversation in that direction.

I always saw Liara's sad reaction to the line because Shepard said "We" as in "You weren't there", so she felt guilt over the fact that she weren't there fighting by Shepard's side or just being onboard the Normandy when Shepard needed her.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

rynluna wrote...
Yes, this also happens in the cabin scene when Shep and Liara talk about defeating the collectors. 
Shep: We fought them in their own base and we won. 
Then Liara makes this facial expression that I've always wondered what it meant.  It's open to interpretation.

I always wondered that as well.  I think perhaps Liara is a bit dissapointed because the couple is talking about business and not about themselves.  Shortly after, Liara steers the conversation in that direction.

I always saw Liara's sad reaction to the line because Shepard said "We" as in "You weren't there", so she felt guilt over the fact that she weren't there fighting by Shepard's side or just being onboard the Normandy when Shepard needed her.

I just see it as a bug. That, or she thinks you're not being honest when saying "Yeah, we're number one!"