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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

rynluna wrote...
Yes, this also happens in the cabin scene when Shep and Liara talk about defeating the collectors. 
Shep: We fought them in their own base and we won. 
Then Liara makes this facial expression that I've always wondered what it meant.  It's open to interpretation.

I always wondered that as well.  I think perhaps Liara is a bit dissapointed because the couple is talking about business and not about themselves.  Shortly after, Liara steers the conversation in that direction.

I always saw Liara's sad reaction to the line because Shepard said "We" as in "You weren't there", so she felt guilt over the fact that she weren't there fighting by Shepard's side or just being onboard the Normandy when Shepard needed her.

I just see it as a bug. That, or she thinks you're not being honest when saying "Yeah, we're number one!"

Shepard's tone isn't exactly "WE'RE NUMBER ONE! **** YEAH!!".

[emmanuelsieyes]

My impression of Liara throughout ME2/LoTSB (starting with what we learn from the vanilla ME2 dialogue):



-I have given Shepard to the Cerberus. I have no idea how Shepard is going to react. I really care about Shepard, however, I'm concerned that Shepard will feel betrayed (Remember those Cerberus facilities in ME1 -- I took Liara along for those sidequests, so Liara knows that Cerberus is capable of).



-Shepard is alive again. Okay. However, I still don't have any idea who Shepard is, what Shep has experienced.



-Shepard is now talking to me. (If Paragon) Thank the Goddess! Shepard thinks that I did right!



However, it's still been two years. Liara knew that Cerberus was going to try and revive Shepard (unlike Kaiden or Ashley). However, she had no way of knowing that they were going to succeed, and that Shep would her feelings towards Liara. Even though Liara knew Shepard was probably going to come back, Liara had no way of knowing what Shepard was going to come back as.



-So now, it's time to take down the Shadow Broker. Completing the mission together shows Liara that Shepard is trustworthy, and that Shepard clearly feels something for Liara. However, because Shepard is not an ass, Shepard doesn't immediately kiss Liara after the SB is dead. Her following dialogue, about how supporting Shep in the battle against the Reapers will prevent Liara from abusing power at the new SB.



After the boss fight, Liara sends out the message. Shepard is busy helping the other squadmate. Shepard doesn't have any contact until Liara has already sent the message and assumed direct control of the operations. Shepard's has the option of hugging Liara, at which point, Shepard has the option of taking a paragon interrupt to kiss her (but shep has to be damn fast on that mouse -- missed it the first time). Shepard can continue the relationship -- but it's clearly on Liara's terms.

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It would appear that the moderators of that site didn't like my review of darth vader's abilities, on account of him being a big cry baby hiding inside armour.

[Tancho]

Wow, Liara vs Darth Vader.



I had to betray myself a little bit. I've been a Star Wars kid for yearzzzzzz. It was hard, but I chose Liara.



Mostly because: Darth Vader is awesome, but I've definitely never joined a thread just to talk about him.



Liara wins.

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

However, interestingly enough, it is Liara who then seeks reassurance on board the Shadow Broker ship, after she has taken control of the network. Liara is obviously fearful that too much time has elapsed since they first fell in love, and her anxieties are based on her fears that the pair of them have drifted apart, and have become different people. At this point, it is then Shepard's responsibility to reassure her, and demonstrate to Liara that their love is stronger than ever with a passionate kiss.

It's an interesting development of the romance, and it's worthwhile to note the manner in which the relationship dynamic shifts during the course of LotSB's events.

It kind of makes you wonder if there was a dual meaning behind "After two years, it's finally over..."  Like perhaps she's thinking that things with Shepard are so different now that their relationship has come to an end?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

However, interestingly enough, it is Liara who then seeks reassurance on board the Shadow Broker ship, after she has taken control of the network. Liara is obviously fearful that too much time has elapsed since they first fell in love, and her anxieties are based on her fears that the pair of them have drifted apart, and have become different people. At this point, it is then Shepard's responsibility to reassure her, and demonstrate to Liara that their love is stronger than ever with a passionate kiss.

It's an interesting development of the romance, and it's worthwhile to note the manner in which the relationship dynamic shifts during the course of LotSB's events.

It kind of makes you wonder if there was a dual meaning behind "After two years, it's finally over..."  Like perhaps she's thinking that things with Shepard are so different now that their relationship has come to an end?

That would make the line seem kinda weird, she does seem to say it in some sort of relieved way.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Darth Vader vs. Liara T'Soni, eh?

I
think it goes without saying that you should vote for Liara! If you're
having second thoughts, try to remember Anakin's douchebaggery in
Episode III. Even for her greatest and most passionate detractors, that
should be more than enough to vote for Liara. XD

You can't compare Vader to Anakin, they are completely diffrent characters!

Vader is a fallen warrior who in the end redeems himself by sacrificing his own life to save his son. Anakin however is either an annoying kid that made you want to sterilize the entire human race, or an angsty idiot who murders people.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 15 février 2011 - 02:19 .

[Asheer_Khan]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Darth Vader vs. Liara T'Soni, eh?

I think it goes without saying that you should vote for Liara! If you're having second thoughts, try to remember Anakin's douchebaggery in Episode III. Even for her greatest and most passionate detractors, that should be more than enough to vote for Liara. XD

Voted for Lia .

And comparing those two it could be used Garrus remark...

"Vader have reach (force choke) but Liara have flexibility (and Singularity)"

[off topic] I think Vader murdered without reason more people than as Anakin ever did in his Jedi days (in books about Admiral Thrawn (first trilogy placed after RoTJ) it was stated that officers death rate on board of Executor (Vader's flagship) was highest in entire Imperial Fleet and Captain could be promoted to Admiral within minutes only to died next day because of Vader's bad mood <_< [/off topic]

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 15 février 2011 - 02:36 .

[kumquats]

Of course Liara wins, but she wouldn't stand a chance against my Darth Revan

I think the kiss at the end of the fight, truly shows how mature Liara is. 2 Years of mourning, self-doubt and anger are gone and are replaced with adrenalin and euphoria which results into the kiss.
Maybe another person would have gone for meaningless sex after the battle...^^
But Liara being the selfless person she is, puts Shepard’s feelings above her own.
She always gives Shepard a way out, even If that means that Shepard could leave her for someone else.

She is badass and selfless. What a great Charakter!

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

It kind of makes you wonder if there was a dual meaning behind "After two years, it's finally over..."  Like perhaps she's thinking that things with Shepard are so different now that their relationship has come to an end?

I agree that Liara does think the relationship is all but doomed at that point as they are different people and have moved on to other things (the kiss was a reflex on her part).   However, I agree with the others that said that specific line has nothing to do with the relationship and just applies ot the Shadow Broker deal.

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jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

It kind of makes you wonder if there was a dual meaning behind "After two years, it's finally over..."  Like perhaps she's thinking that things with Shepard are so different now that their relationship has come to an end?

I agree that Liara does think the relationship is all but doomed at that point as they are different people and have moved on to other things (the kiss was a reflex on her part).   However, I agree with the others that said that specific line has nothing to do with the relationship and just applies ot the Shadow Broker deal.

That shirt in your avatar might be the greatest thing I've seen.

About the line... I wonder if it's about her finally believing that she can stop the charade/front she was putting on for 2 years, especially around Shepard. (Among other things obviously) Whatever happens in the relationship she can be who she really is, and have a proper conversation to see where they stand and what to do about the Reapers.

I know she's changed into a more mature asari, but you've got to think that acting the way she did on Illium was taxing to her. I simply don't think that she's that cold, especially when it meant pushing Shepard away.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pacer90 wrote...

I know she's changed into a more mature asari, but you've got to think that acting the way she did on Illium was taxing to her. I simply don't think that she's that cold, especially when it meant pushing Shepard away.

She did act cold and distant on purpose, and at the same time not.

It's only natural that she would act slightly more like she does on Illium. Two years of fear, being in constant danger, regret, anger would make people seem slightly more distant (or atleast, act diffrent than they use to).

But on the same time, she also acts like she does because she wants to avoid getting close to Shepard again for several factors.

[Cleveland Ninja]

How come most Liaramancers are feminists? Women belong in the kitchen.

[Tamahome560]

Cleveland Ninja wrote...

How come most Liaramancers are feminists? Women belong in the kitchen.

Saw your comment about Liaramancers in ''Life skills learned from Mass Effect''. You seem to have very strong sexist beliefs dude. I'm a man and I'm a proud Liaramancer and yes I play Male Shep. To be specific Sheploo.

I do however agree that you can sometimes get a feminist vibe from some Liaramancers but that does not mean that they are feminist and no Women do not belong in kitchen ... :happy:

Modifié par Tamahome560, 16 février 2011 - 12:16 .

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Lizardviking wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

I know she's changed into a more mature asari, but you've got to think that acting the way she did on Illium was taxing to her. I simply don't think that she's that cold, especially when it meant pushing Shepard away.

She did act cold and distant on purpose, and at the same time not.

It's only natural that she would act slightly more like she does on Illium. Two years of fear, being in constant danger, regret, anger would make people seem slightly more distant (or atleast, act diffrent than they use to).

But on the same time, she also acts like she does because she wants to avoid getting close to Shepard again for several factors.

Ahh but such is my point. Regardless if she meant it or not, the need for the facade is gone. "It's all over."

Cleveland, you have much to learn in the art of trolling. This is one of the few threads on this forum with actual decent ME discussion, I doubt you can derail it with ****** comments like that.

[Crunchyinmilk]

TheMarshal wrote...
I loved that moment.  While it would have been very 'Hollywood' for them to run into each other's arms and magically everything would be okay, the way they reacted acknowledged that the past two years had happened, and things weren't necessarily going to be the same, but it would require a renewed effort on both their parts to make the relationship work.

Isn't that the whole sub-plot of the Lair of the Shadowbroker mission?  It ties in nicely with the remnants of the "left-in" content from the basic ME2 scene in Liara's office too.

It hasn't been 2 years for Shepard at all,  When Shepard first enters Liara's office its a look of genuine joy on Liara's face.  

Friend Shep gets a very intimate hug,



Lover Shep gets an impulsive kiss that quickly goes awkward.



Throughout the whole mission, Shepard's dialogue is predominantly about old times.  They're trying very hard to come to grips with 'new' Liara and what's happened to her over two years.  



The Paragon interrupts give the opportunity to force the issue, which Liara deftly avoids.



The panting moment after the Shadowbroker's demise is great because it illustrates how much the struggle to get there has been on Liara.  Gone is the tough exterior she's had the entire mission.  The scene immediately after this romance or not, is also a great moment for Shepard because you can be understanding (or not) and show Liara that she hasn't changed so much from the woman Shep knew (and maybe fell for) in ME1.

[jlb524]

pacer90 wrote...

That shirt in your avatar might be the greatest thing I've seen.

It is....it's a mod I can't take credit for (thanks to scampermax!)

pacer90 wrote...
About the line... I wonder if it's about her finally believing that she can stop the charade/front she was putting on for 2 years, especially around Shepard. (Among other things obviously) Whatever happens in the relationship she can be who she really is, and have a proper conversation to see where they stand and what to do about the Reapers.

I know she's changed into a more mature asari, but you've got to think that acting the way she did on Illium was taxing to her. I simply don't think that she's that cold, especially when it meant pushing Shepard away.

Yeah, she can relax some after the Shadow Broker is defeated and her conscience is cleared, in regards to Feron.

I think finding out he was still alive helped out a lot....we see this on Illium...her spirits really picked up when she looked at that datapad and the mission went from vengeance to rescue.

[drwells123]

jlb524 wrote...

It is....it's a mod I can't take credit for (thanks to scampermax!)

"Casual Fridays come to the Normandy." That's awesome Outstanding work scampermax.

May I submit this for your consideration?

[scampermax]

drwells123 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It is....it's a mod I can't take credit for (thanks to scampermax!)

"Casual Fridays come to the Normandy." That's awesome Outstanding work scampermax.

May I submit this for your consideration?

Thanks jlb &  drwells.

If you're asking for a blasto tee I can certainly look into it. I believe hanar have a symmetrical body shape. That's the main limitation of doing a t-shirt design. Well, that and how much warping I have to do to get the two halves to match up properly.

[scampermax]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Would you be able to create a t-shirt emblazoned with the Shadow Broker logo, scamper?

Especially when considering the fact that, y'know, the vast majority of our Shepards are now working for Liara.

okay... don't kick me out of the Liara love group for this question, but what does the logo look like?

/sorry, mind's a blank. I'm still getting everything onto the new computer.