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[pacer90]

There were only 3 AY in the known galaxy, what you are misconstruing is that pureblood asari are the only ones that can birth the disorder.



The odds of Liara being a AY are 3/(every-pureblood-in-the-galaxy)

[Kachie]

I wasn't saying Liara was an AY, but the way I understood it in mass effect wiki that Samara theorizes that pureblood asari have a higher chance of giving BIRTH to Ardat-yakshi not that they are one themselves.

[emmanuelsieyes]

If Shepard and Liara have children, the offspring are not going to be pureblood.



If pureblood Asari offspring are more likely to be Ardat-Yakshi, then it's likely that ardat-yakshi is caused by an excessive concentration of pure Asari genetic traits. If Liara and Shepard mate, then that's adding some human genetics into the mixture, which will cancel out Liara's pureblood genetics.



I mean, it makes no sense in the real world, but it seems consistent with ME universe genetics.

[oxymoo28]

I thought it was only the pureblood children of purebloods that could be Ardat-Yakshi? Admittedly I haven't read the wiki in some time, and am too lazy to do so right now. This topic keeps coming up but I could have sworn it wasn't possible for it to happen.

All those Liara pics are awesome, her eyes .

[vykor]

I wasn't saying Liara was an AY, but the way I understood it in mass effect wiki that Samara theorizes that pureblood asari have a higher chance of giving BIRTH to Ardat-yakshi not that they are one themselves.

Samara's line about AY is vague, but I think the wiki writer misinterpreted it.  At her loyalty mission debrief, you can ask about "prevention" of AY: 

Shepard: There's no way to correct the condition Morinth had?
Samara:  We are an advanced species, but we don't have magic.  When the trait manifests at maturity, it is too late for mitigation.  It only occurs in purebloods like myself.  Perhaps that is the root of the stigma regarding asari-exclusive pairings.  I don't know."

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Parsing the text, "It" in the third sentence refers to "the trait", which itself refers to "the condition Morinth had".  Rewriting those sentences, the implication is that "the condition Morinth had" only occurs in purebloods.  If Liara decided to have little blue babies with Shep, those children would by definition not be purebloods.

This makes some sense from a human perspective, if you assume that AY is a recessive genetic defect carried by the asari parent, like hemophilia.  If you have a dominant healthy chromosome from the other parent, it'll cover up the defective chromosome and the daughter would be a carrier (but not manifest the disease).  If both parents were carriers, however, there's a fair chance of the child manifesting the disease.  So asari exclusive pairings would tend to have a small chance of manifesting AY, while alien-asari pairings would never manifest AY, given that aliens cannot carry an asari genetic defect.

[Robhuzz]

The story about ardat yakshi is still kinda vague. It's pretty much confirmed that pureblood asari have a higher chance of giving birth to an ardat yakshi. The chance for that to happen is extremely small though. Like mentioned before.. there are only 3 ardat yakshi in existence (well one less if you side with samara) upon... who knows how many pureblood asari. I wouldn't really concern yourself with this. See that both Shepard and Liara survive ME3... the chance for either of them dying in ME3 is (sadly) much higher than the two of them having an ardat yakshi daughter...

@Vykor

I think you still misinterpreted the text there. I haven't ever received a notion to ardat yakshi having to be purebloods. The only notition I got was that the mother has to be a pureblood. Anyways... are all 3 of samara's daughters purebloods? She never tells anything about her partner(s) as far as I can recall

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 février 2011 - 08:49 .

[vykor]

I think you still misinterpreted the text there. I haven't ever received a notion to ardat yakshi having to be purebloods. The only notition I got was that the mother has to be a pureblood.

Dude, I pulled the text straight out of canon subtitles.  It's pretty clear cut.  If you can somehow interpret "the trait" referring a condition Samara had, it would have said so, rather than a "condition Morinth had".  They were talking mitigating a trait that "manifests at maturity" on Morinth, and "only occurs in purebloods".  That is clearly referring AY itself, and not the defect that triggers it.  Otherwise, that "it" is a reference to nowhere.

Wikis are written by random people.  Unless there's a dev comment, I wouldn't buy that as truth, especially with contradictory conversation text.

Modifié par vykor, 20 février 2011 - 09:00 .

[Robhuzz]

^I don't buy the information on the wiki as proof. I just said I'd always thought ardat yakshi needn't necessarily be purebloods. Because I don't remember samara's exact line. But it has been a pretty long time since I last played that part of ME2. I'll pay extra attention to it the next time samara talks about this

[vykor]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

She's only like, the most powerful information broker in the galaxy. I would imagine that she could make Feron go get it.

Yes, make him do it.  Make him go as far as possible.  Tall dark and handsome drell with a tortured past sitting around the Shadow Broker ship with Liara all day, alone.  *still mildly jealous* 

Wouldn't mind being the Tela Vasir to the new Shadow Broker, doing quests and getting information.  Maybe with less bombing of innocent people, though.

[Kachie]

O.O God don't make me worry that Liara and Shep might die. That'd make me horribly sad.

And no Samara never mentioned that Samara's kids were pureblood, but she did say, "I had three daughters, and there are only three AY's in existence. It is how it sounds" or something to that sort, so she has three AY's for children.

Modifié par Kachie, 20 février 2011 - 09:23 .

[Collider]

I would highly dislike forced deaths for any squad mates.

[kumquats]

I don't think Liara will die or another squad mate, except of course Shepard screws up, like in the Suicide Mission. I think if someone dies it's a Charakter like Admiral Hackett, you kind of like him but don't have a deep connection. I like the idea of someone betraying Shepard at the end, like in BG 2.

[drwells123]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

She's only like, the most powerful information broker in the galaxy. I would imagine that she could make Feron go get it.

Or TIM, since if I remember right we're going to dress him in a maid's outfit and have him fetch her coffee.

[emmanuelsieyes]

So far, Liara is the only unkillable squadmate in the entire game (and considering that the PC can die, that's pretty damn powerful)



Also, in ME2, the turian selling food at the citadel (where you buy the stuff for the chef on the Normandy) has a line about some honey being produced at an ardat yakshi monastery. If there's an ardat yakshi monastery, then there's probably more than the 2 daughters Samara sent off to isolation.



Also Admiral Hackett is a boss. I like to imagine that it's Adama from BSG giving me assignments (Shepard! Go kill those fracking Cylons!)

[azarhal]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

So far, Liara is the only unkillable squadmate in the entire game (and considering that the PC can die, that's pretty damn powerful)

She also have the less "permutations" of all the squadmate. The only variable is romanced or not, which split into:
- friends (not romanced or after breaking the relationship).
- in a rocky relationship (LotSB have it better then no LotSB, but I wouldn't call it "stable")­.
- in a rocky relationship and seen/seeing somebody else.

And she "love" Shepard in all 3 cases. Also, the game univers see Liara as Shepard's "BFF" regardless of the player's actions.

Finaly, Liara have no string attached caused by Shepard's choices. Like Miranda, Mordin, Thane, Garrus, Tali, etc. Her "life" is fixed: father unknown, mothers dead killed on Noveria, Feron's alive, paragade psychological profile and ShadowBroker network.

Also, in ME2, the turian selling food at the citadel (where you buy the stuff for the chef on the Normandy) has a line about some honey being produced at an ardat yakshi monastery. If there's an ardat yakshi monastery, then there's probably more than the 2 daughters Samara sent off to isolation.

The codex entry says that 1% of the Asari population show up on the AY scale and that only the most severe cases live in seclusion. I think that Samara was doing a "Obi-wan". She only know 3 AY in existence and they are her daughters, doesn't mean others don't exist. 

[emmanuelsieyes]

I wonder how the LoTSB actions will be represented. All that BioWare can really guarantee is the reunion in ME2. However, I would expect that those of us who did get the LoTSB will be 'rewarded' with some extra content.



What I would like to see in ME3 is Liara having some more backstory.



In ME1 and ME2, Liara has basically two modes: Liara as plot device, and Liara as romance option. In ME1, she only has two static dialogue options (Benezia and Asari Culture). Talking about Benezia is just explaining the Matriarch Benezia subplot, with Liara's thoughts on how she will remember Benezia, and Asari Culture is just a codex hook. Beyond that, all of her dialogue is just talking about 'oh, I know this planet! It's Ilos!', or her interest in Shepard.



Vanilla ME2 is worse: All Liara gets to talk about is how she rescued Shepard, and then she has some fetch quests.



LoTSB is better, but still, almost all of her dialogue is about the Shadow Broker, with the exception of the romance at the end.



I would really like to have some dialogue options about who Liara really is, before all of this happened. Perhaps some stories about being an archeologist, talking about one of her major discoveries (like Wrex's stories about being a merc/bounty hunter). This way, I think we would have a better chance to get an idea of who Liara really is.

[IndigoWolfe]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

What I would like to see in ME3 is Liara having some more backstory.

Yes, very much so. As much as I do like Liara, she was not nearly a fleshed out as she should/could have been. I'm assuming this is because of the fact that you can recruit her at any time during the story.

In ME1 and ME2, Liara has basically two modes: Liara as plot device, and Liara as romance option. In ME1, she only has two static dialogue options (Benezia and Asari Culture). Talking about Benezia is just explaining the Matriarch Benezia subplot, with Liara's thoughts on how she will remember Benezia, and Asari Culture is just a codex hook. Beyond that, all of her dialogue is just talking about 'oh, I know this planet! It's Ilos!', or her interest in Shepard.

Actually, I'd like to point out that Liara actually does have some unique dialogue that you get if you do not romance her.

I would really like to have some dialogue options about who Liara really is, before all of this happened. Perhaps some stories about being an archeologist, talking about one of her major discoveries (like Wrex's stories about being a merc/bounty hunter). This way, I think we would have a better chance to get an idea of who Liara really is.

While I would like to see something like this, in Mass Effect 3 it would seem rather out of place, to me at least. I'm not sure, but I think that Liara wouldn't spend much time in ME3 looking back at the person she was, I think she would have her mind in the present, especially with the present Reaper threat.

[emmanuelsieyes]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

What I would like to see in ME3 is Liara having some more backstory.

Yes, very much so. As much as I do like Liara, she was not nearly a fleshed out as she should/could have been. I'm assuming this is because of the fact that you can recruit her at any time during the story.

In ME1 and ME2, Liara has basically two modes: Liara as plot device, and Liara as romance option. In ME1, she only has two static dialogue options (Benezia and Asari Culture). Talking about Benezia is just explaining the Matriarch Benezia subplot, with Liara's thoughts on how she will remember Benezia, and Asari Culture is just a codex hook. Beyond that, all of her dialogue is just talking about 'oh, I know this planet! It's Ilos!', or her interest in Shepard.

Actually, I'd like to point out that Liara actually does have some unique dialogue that you get if you do not romance her.

I would really like to have some dialogue options about who Liara really is, before all of this happened. Perhaps some stories about being an archeologist, talking about one of her major discoveries (like Wrex's stories about being a merc/bounty hunter). This way, I think we would have a better chance to get an idea of who Liara really is.

While I would like to see something like this, in Mass Effect 3 it would seem rather out of place, to me at least. I'm not sure, but I think that Liara wouldn't spend much time in ME3 looking back at the person she was, I think she would have her mind in the present, especially with the present Reaper threat.

On my current playthrough, I plan on doing garrusmance. So then I can see Liara's non-rmance dialogue in ME1 and LoTSB.

I've been thinking about Liara in ME3. She could have a series mission where liara and shep have to hunt down some Prothean artifact to help fight against the reapers (maybe some kind of ancient computer virus EDI can use against them). Liara gets information as the new SB. Shepard and co have to track it down. Eventually, (maybe Liara would be playable on this mission if she's not a squadmate), Liara and Shepard would recover the object. As the mission progressed, there would be some LoTSB style banter about Liara on archeological digs, which would progress to Liara talking about her past as an archeologist after the mission was complete. This would probably be the hook to continue the romance as well.

So this way, we get more backstory on Liara, which is presented in a way that is relevant to the overall ME canon and gameplay.

[jlb524]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

I wonder how the LoTSB actions will be represented. All that BioWare can really guarantee is the reunion in ME2. However, I would expect that those of us who did get the LoTSB will be 'rewarded' with some extra content.

Doubt it.  We don't even get rewarded for staying faithful

If you didn't play it and you did romance Liara in ME1, you'll probably get one quick dialog where you can tell her you want to continue the romance or just remain friends.

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
What I would like to see in ME3 is Liara having some more backstory.

True....would be nice, but I think if they were going to do this, they would have done it in ME1.  Unfortunately, Liara had to represent her race and also b/c she was an LI, had to explain how she and Shepard could still get it on and have babies. 

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
In ME1 and ME2, Liara has basically two modes: Liara as plot device, and Liara as romance option. In ME1, she only has two static dialogue options (Benezia and Asari Culture). Talking about Benezia is just explaining the Matriarch Benezia subplot, with Liara's thoughts on how she will remember Benezia, and Asari Culture is just a codex hook. Beyond that, all of her dialogue is just talking about 'oh, I know this planet! It's Ilos!', or her interest in Shepard.

Vanilla ME2 is worse: All Liara gets to talk about is how she rescued Shepard, and then she has some fetch quests.

LoTSB is better, but still, almost all of her dialogue is about the Shadow Broker, with the exception of the romance at the end.

I would really like to have some dialogue options about who Liara really is, before all of this happened. Perhaps some stories about being an archeologist, talking about one of her major discoveries (like Wrex's stories about being a merc/bounty hunter). This way, I think we would have a better chance to get an idea of who Liara really is.

Agreed these would be nice, but I don't see it happening in the final episode.  I think most of Liara's ME3 interactions will deal with the Reapers and her role in aiding Shepard stop them, plus romance stuff if that applies.  We kind of have to fill in the gaps of her backstory ourselves based on what little facts we have.

Liara also doesn't seem the type that is prone to divulge things about herself easily, and Shepard never really asks.  She asks Liara about asari culture and Benezia in ME1, and then asks her about her business in ME2, but that's about it.  In LotSB, Liara is the one doing all the listening as Shepard gets to finally open up about her worries/fears/frustrations.

I think if Liara is the main plot giver in ME3 as the Shadow Broker, she will have to face some difficult and trying times as the Reapers invade (same can be said Shepard).  I would like to see both ask the other how they are doing and provide a listening ear as the other gets all of their troubles off their chest (this would be romance independent, with perhaps a bit more dialog if the romance is still going on).  Perhaps in one of these discussions Liara could open up a bit more about her past, pre-ME1 or maybe even some of the things that happened to her while Shepard was dead pre-ME2.

[TheMarshal]

Agreed. While it would be nice to have more Liara backstory, given the way things are going with ME2, I doubt that they'll delve that deeply into ANY of the characters. Hell, even some supplemental materials would be nice, but given the low quality of the comics (haven't read any of the books, yet) I'm almost afraid to ask for it...

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

Agreed. While it would be nice to have more Liara backstory, given the way things are going with ME2, I doubt that they'll delve that deeply into ANY of the characters. Hell, even some supplemental materials would be nice, but given the low quality of the comics (haven't read any of the books, yet) I'm almost afraid to ask for it...

Haahaa, the only supplemental materials I will read are fanfiction.  

You also have a point that we don't know a whole hell of a lot about any character....it would be nice to learn more about all of them, but it won't happen in ME3.

[azarhal]

They could have added some of Liara's backstory to the ShadowBroker terminal like they did for some of the NPCs. The previous SB did say that he knew all of her secrets, but Liara seems to have preferred erasing them.

I wonder why. <_<

[jlb524]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

I've been thinking about Liara in ME3. She could have a series mission where liara and shep have to hunt down some Prothean artifact to help fight against the reapers (maybe some kind of ancient computer virus EDI can use against them). Liara gets information as the new SB. Shepard and co have to track it down. Eventually, (maybe Liara would be playable on this mission if she's not a squadmate), Liara and Shepard would recover the object. As the mission progressed, there would be some LoTSB style banter about Liara on archeological digs, which would progress to Liara talking about her past as an archeologist after the mission was complete. This would probably be the hook to continue the romance as well.

I've speculated in the past that they may do something like this with Liara in ME3.  Instead of having a full crew of squad mates you can take on any mission, you have special missions where you have to take certain people (Liara in the above mentioned scenario).

It definitely would be nice of Liara to mention something about her past as an archeologist, though.

We know from LotSB she does still maintain her fascination with the Protheans.  We learned she went to the University of Serrice....we also learned she looked up pre-space flight cultures then....that's about all we learned then

Oh,and the Shadow Broker thing is like a 'dream job' for her.