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[Vralenalien]

jwalker wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...



another interview...shes got a cool FF13 tattoo

Holy crap, she is so cute.

... the way she moves and smiles when she talks....

Squeeee

Edit: Top of the page Liara

Modifié par Vralenalien, 14 décembre 2010 - 07:11 .

[Sable Phoenix]

ACC3SS wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ACC3SS wrote...

Although I don't believe the Illusive Man has the resources to go after Liara (read Retribution), I wouldn't put an attempt on Liara's life past BioWare.

Consider what Rockstar did with Grand Theft Auto IV...

WARNING: GTAIV SPOILER
Either Roman or Kate die. Both characters are important to Niko, but that doesn't save them from getting the axe.
END SPOILER

As much as I hate to say it, I truly believe that Liara may be in danger in Mass Effect 3.

BioWare ain't Rockstar, and Mass Effect ain't Gran' Theft Auto.

If Liara somehow were to be unavoidably killed in ME3, I'd probably throw the disc against the wall and never touch the game again.

The video you linked isn't viewable in Canada. Can you summarize?

I wasn't trying to draw parallels between Rockstar and BioWare, merely noting that the death of the protagonist's love-interest is a valid plot device.

Ugh, really?  What the hell, YouTube.

Try this one.  You'll recognize the line when you hear it.

It was just my idea of a joke.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 14 décembre 2010 - 07:22 .

[JediMB]

*sighs*

Now I don't want to ever play a non-Liara romance character again.

I'm kind of worrying about the risk involved in Liara being the Shadow Broker, what with how there's certainly someone else out there who wants the position. Silly to think that way, I suppose. EDIT: Reading a few pages back, I see I'm not alone.

Modifié par JediMB, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:58 .

[drwells123]

TMA LIVE wrote...

You know, I never thought of this before, but I finally thought of a good reason why Liara rushes the romance on the second dialogue choice (besides having a late romance).

She's worried and under pressure that you might already be starting a relationship with Kaidan/Ash, and wants to take a chance before it's too late. A damned if you do, damned if you don't moment. But after things are confirmed, she'd happy, but doesn't know what to do.

Not that I'd ever go there, but the jealousy scene where she watches your rejected LI stomp off and says "I'm sorry that had to happen," then smiles and adds, "but I'm glad you chose me," is just <3. I should at least be feeling bad for the poor rejected person, but her cuteness there just overpowers it.

[Asheer_Khan]

www.youtube.com/watch

In case that this wasn't posted... another Jenny and Alli interview .

[JediMB]

drwells123 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

You know, I never thought of this before, but I finally thought of a good reason why Liara rushes the romance on the second dialogue choice (besides having a late romance).

She's worried and under pressure that you might already be starting a relationship with Kaidan/Ash, and wants to take a chance before it's too late. A damned if you do, damned if you don't moment. But after things are confirmed, she'd happy, but doesn't know what to do.

Not that I'd ever go there, but the jealousy scene where she watches your rejected LI stomp off and says "I'm sorry that had to happen," then smiles and adds, "but I'm glad you chose me," is just <3. I should at least be feeling bad for the poor rejected person, but her cuteness there just overpowers it.

I just couldn't bring myself to choosing that path for my most recent Shepard. In part because I like Kaidan (and Ashley, for that matter) too much to want to treat them like that, and in part because it'd feel like Shepard only chose Liara because she had to, and would rather be playing around.

It'd be pretty harsh for both Virmire Survivors, too. Ashley already had her thing against aliens, while Kaidan would have to deal with that Shepard dumped him for someone who's both an alien and a woman.

[scampermax]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Yes, the 'Blue Rose' asari and the 'Locket' asari definitely view human relationships (and relationships in general) differently. The 'Locket' asari was with someone she deeply cared for and had a child with. The 'Blue Rose' asari doesn't seem to be looking for anything long term. Seriously, she asks a stranger for advice on her love life...how serious can she be?

I think it can be said that different asari view relationships differently, just like humans, though they do have the 'long view' with regards to non-asari pairings. I think this just means they are better at coping with the loss of their loved one (as it's inevitable) early on in the relationship, but this doesn't mean they will ever forget that loved one or stop loving them. The dead partner supposedly lives on in the asari, somehow.

Indeed, and I find it interesting to compare the seemingly widespread disparity amongst the asari in terms of how they perceive human relationships. The "Blue Rose" asari views them as being somewhat trivial, and a relatively short-term option in order to enjoy temporary companionship. However, both Liara and the "Locket" asari view them as being alot deeper, and obviously hold them in higher regard.

Hmmm. I wonder if there is any form of social stigma attached to a Maiden asari accepting a bondmate at such a relatively young age? Is it an infrequent occurrence, given that asari are usually working as strippers or commandos during the Maiden stage of their lives? If there is, then I sincerely doubt that Liara will be bothered at all...she's endured prejudice and ignorance for the majority of her life, given the fact that she is a pureblood. As discussed above, it seems that she would be delighted if Shepard were to become her bondmate, and I think she would outright ignore or disregard any possible stigma attached to a Maiden asari becoming bondmates with her lover.

I see Liara as being so atypical for an asari that I pretty much expect her to do the opposite of what would be seen as "proper" for an asari at her stage of life. I think she knows a relationship with someone like Shepard is something so unique and special it's unlikely to be repeated. So conventions be damned and bring on the blue children.

[pacer90]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh, and unless it's necessary for roleplaying reasons, my Shepards always tell Kaidan they're not interested as soon as possible. He's one of my favourite characters, and I hate the thought of deceiving him, and leading him on. Additionally, Shepard is also able to tell him that she saw Liara first. I love that line!

Only by a few seconds

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Something I just thought about:

When did Liara recive/get Shepard's dog tags? I would like to think that she had them for a long time. But the dialog if you only had the friendship path suggest that she had only recently recived them by admiral Hackett.

[scampermax]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara being atypical of the asari brings up a rather interesting point. I've seen people assert that she is nothing like other Maidens, and that she seems to have skipped right to the Matron stage almost instantly. I disagree, and I think that Liara's occupation and expeditions as an archaeologist showcase her acting like a Maiden, albeit in a vastly different manner. She retains a Maiden's curiosity and desire to explore in how she has spent the majority of her life thus far exploring remote Prothean ruins, and excavating rare and ancient artifacts in her quest to discover the details behind the Protheans' mysterious and sudden extinction. Liara possesses the natural traits of a Maiden, but they're manifesting themselves in a vastly different way.

I can go along with that as I definitely don't think she's hit the matron stage yet. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong, but I see her uncertainty at taking on the Shadow Broker role as akin to someone who isn't quite certain where they want their life to go. She's taking on a lot of power and responsibility and it would definitely be simpler to go back to archaeology or stay at Shepard's side.

As to atypical I guess I see her that way because she chose to pursue a path different from the accepted norm, not that she doesn't share the traits of her age (life stage) group.

[TMA LIVE]

Well, I think asari are more used to the long view, because after so many years, you just get used to death being apart of your life. However, with someone like Liara who's still young, and didn't attach herself to many people, she's still not used to it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Something I just thought about:

When did Liara recive/get Shepard's dog tags? I would like to think that she had them for a long time. But the dialog if you only had the friendship path suggest that she had only recently recived them by admiral Hackett.

I think it's dependant on romance status. If Liara is Shepard's LI, then Admiral Hackett is never mentioned, and I get the impression that Liara searched for and recovered Shepard's tags herself. However, when Liara has not been romanced, it's stated that Hackett gave the tags to Liara, and she obviously kept them until the events of LotSB concluded.

I think it's indicative of Liara's desire to keep a memento that reminds her of Shepard, had she been romanced in the first game. If the relationship was platonic, then I think that desire is not as great.

Althrough I don't ever think Liara went down to the Normandy crash site in person. I would like to imagine that she might have attended whatever official funeral that were held in Shepard's honor on the citadel, where she met Hackett and (if shep's a spacer) Hannah. Who gave her the tags. That or she found them herself like you suggested.

[jlb524]

Why wouldn't she go down to the crash site in person? Liara was looking for Shepard's remains or clues leading to them. She also picked up a part of Shepard's armor (the part Legion didn't use).

I doubt digging around Alchera would be any worse than digging around some of the other places Liara has been to as an archaeologist.

Modifié par jlb524, 14 décembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[scampermax]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

scampermax wrote...

I can go along with that as I definitely don't think she's hit the matron stage yet. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong, but I see her uncertainty at taking on the Shadow Broker role as akin to someone who isn't quite certain where they want their life to go. She's taking on a lot of power and responsibility and it would definitely be simpler to go back to archaeology or stay at Shepard's side.

As to atypical I guess I see her that way because she chose to pursue a path different from the accepted norm, not that she doesn't share the traits of her age (life stage) group.

Oh yeah, of course! I wasn't insinuating that you were suggesting otherwise.

That's an interesting interpretation of Liara's uncertainty over becoming the new Shadow Broker, though. Very perceptive, scamper.

You're so kind to say so, Les.
difficulty reading people is a trait I share with ME1 Liara.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Why wouldn't she go down to the crash site in person? Liara was looking for Shepard's remains or clues leading to them. She also picked up a part of Shepard's armor (the part Legion didn't use).

I doubt digging around Alchera would be any worse than digging around some of the other places Liara has been to as an archaeologist.

Whoops. Completely forgot about the armor pierce.

But AFAIK. Liara spend a week on the citadel, until she recived words that she should come to Omega. Which in turns kicks off the events of Redemption, and if I remember correctly. Redemption ends with Liara setting off to Illium to hunt the SB. So I imagined she didn't have time to dig on Alchera. Also, it's possible that she got the dog tags at the same time she got the armor part.

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

But AFAIK. Liara spend a week on the citadel, until she recived words that she should come to Omega. Which in turns kicks off the events of Redemption, and if I remember correctly. Redemption ends with Liara setting off to Illium to hunt the SB. So I imagined she didn't have time to dig on Alchera. Also, it's possible that she got the dog tags at the same time she got the armor part.

Where does that come from?  Redemption does end with Liara setting off to attempt to find Feron but it isn't specific where she is going at that time or if she's yet decided that she must hunt the Shadow Broker herself in order to 'avenge' Feron (or possibly save him).

Also, I always thought Redemption happened one month after the Normandy was destroyed?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But AFAIK. Liara spend a week on the citadel, until she recived words that she should come to Omega. Which in turns kicks off the events of Redemption, and if I remember correctly. Redemption ends with Liara setting off to Illium to hunt the SB. So I imagined she didn't have time to dig on Alchera. Also, it's possible that she got the dog tags at the same time she got the armor part.

Where does that come from?  Redemption does end with Liara setting off to attempt to find Feron but it isn't specific where she is going at that time or if she's yet decided that she must hunt the Shadow Broker herself in order to 'avenge' Feron (or possibly save him).

Also, I always thought Redemption happened one month after the Normandy was destroyed?

Just checked it. You are correct.

[jbauck]

I have no idea if the timeline between Shep's death and resurrection are vague, or if I'm just not remembering details, but it's still a 2-year span of time. Wouldn't necessarily be OOC for Liara to have taken a busman's holiday to Alchera to dig through the wreckage sometime after starting her Info Broker business.



Makes more sense for me if she did that between Shepard's death and arriving on Omega, though.



It's also possible that, if romanced, Liara got the tags from Hackett - but years ago after some official memorial service type thing - with the headcanon assumption that he was aware of the relationship. Then, if just friends, Hackett handed them over after Shepard's resurrection, figuring that Liara would see Shepard out in the Terminus first, and could return them to Shepard. So, either way, Liara could've gotten them from Hackett, but if she's an LI, she got them from Hackett so long ago that it doesn't rate a mention.



But, again - none of this is really spelled out. For all we know, Liara didn't even retrieve the armor part herself, but picked it up in some black market auction after scavengers went through the crash on Alchera and figured the famous Shepard's armor would bring in some bucks. Or, she skipped the auction, beat the crap out of the people who would do such a thing, and absconded with the armor. Huh ... actually, now I'm imaging that this is exactly what happened, except that's the job she hired Kasumi for, and how they know each other.



Oh, the drama. I'm going back to pondering their baby names. "Zakera Ramen-Shop T'Soni-Shepard", perhaps?

[jlb524]

All we know for a time line is that:



1) The Normandy is destroyed one month after the Battle of the Citadel.



2) One month later, Liara is on Omega looking for Shepard's remains.



3) After an unspecified amount of time, Liara and Feron recover Shepard's body and Liara gives it to Miranda/Cerberus. I think Redemption probably takes place over a weeks time...maybe a bit more.



4) Liara spends an unknown amount of time at the Cerberus base before deciding to leave in order to find Feron herself. I doubt she spent more than a few days here, though.



5) A little over two years later, Shepard is finally resurrected and Liara is now working as an information broker (we really don't know for how long, but it can be assumed that she spent most of the two years doing this, considering how successful she's become).



Hmmm...let me know if I missed anything or messed up.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

All we know for a time line is that:

1) The Normandy is destroyed one month after the Battle of the Citadel.

2) One month later, Liara is on Omega looking for Shepard's remains.

3) After an unspecified amount of time, Liara and Feron recover Shepard's body and Liara gives it to Miranda/Cerberus. I think Redemption probably takes place over a weeks time...maybe a bit more.

4) Liara spends an unknown amount of time at the Cerberus base before deciding to leave in order to find Feron herself. I doubt she spent more than a few days here, though.

5) A little over two years later, Shepard is finally resurrected and Liara is now working as an information broker (we really don't know for how long, but it can be assumed that she spent most of the two years doing this, considering how successful she's become).

Hmmm...let me know if I missed anything or messed up.

I think you got all the bases covered. Perhaps it's ultimativly up for the player to imagine when and how Liara got the dog tags + armor piece? But what did she do during that one month after Shepard was dead? Simply staying on the Citadel, unsure on what to do while slowly watching the rest of the crew go their own way.