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Liara T'Soni Character Discussion Thread *possible ME3 spoilers*

Débuté par jlb524 , déc. 08 2010 12:51

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 04:20

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Nooooo! TIM is my Shepards best friend :(
Ha! Even a pure Renegade Shepard should figure out, that he will stab you in the back....

Speaking of TIM, can anyone explain to me why he is so obviously lying, when you ask him about Liara?
He says that his sources told him she is working for the Shadow Broker. He should know that's not true.
I'm a little bit confused...


Blowind the Collector base should have been Renegade. You do it to spite him.

As for TIM and Liara, I always found LotSB mission log interesting, especially when most of them have something like this can be useful in the Suicide Mission or against the Reapers. LotSB have:
  • Shepard has defeated the Shadow Broker.
  • Eliminate Cerberus information
    leaks as Liara T'Soni takes over.
  • The asari's relationship with Shepard
    should be watched closely.
I always found it interesting that now that Liara is taking over, Cerberus should eliminate information leaks. It was ok for the former SB to know about what was going on despite the fact he was selling things to the Collectors? The last line suggest that Liara relationship with Shepard could be problematic to Cerberus. How? Also, notice the lack of "we get more support againt the Reaper" comment. It's like the Cerberus agent who is writing this see Liara as a possible enemy, despite the fact that she's commited in fighting against the Reapers.

Liara studied the extinction cycle before Shepard set foot on Eden Prime, she know how the Protheans were whipe out, she knew the Protheans based their tech on the species that came before them (this mean she understand the tech and see the patterns) and she got lots of data about the Reapers from ME1. Liara is the "expert" on the Reapers in the Galaxy. Yet, TIM doesn't want Shepard to have contact with her. This make me doubt TIM's goal of defeating the Reapers. In fact, I have the feeling that TIM want her out of the picture...just like Saren did.

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 04:37

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I just did the Shadow Broker dlc for the first time with a shepard that romanced Liara. Wow, that was so great! I couldn't have asked for a better way for them to continue their relationship and Liara is just awesome in this. Beautiful and strong.

Hm... must confess that for a short short while I was getting a bit jealous of Feron. I've stayed away from all info on the dlc so when you end up on the station I thought that that was it. That she didn't want my shepard any more, that was a little bit scary. But shep and Liara worked it out and what a wonderful scene that was. Finally someone that asks shepard how she's really doing, my shepard can for a short while show how worried she is. Just great. Sorry that I'm on all fan-girl-mode here. I'm just so hyped for the moment. This dlc just showed me a new side of Liara and I'm just loving it. And the humor... "please don't give the mercs any ideas". Great stuff.


I agree; us Liara fans really were treated with something extremely special in the form of Lair of the Shadow Broker. Seemingly simple additions, scenes or gestures, such as the ability to investigate Liara's apartment and examine her possessions, really do give the player the genuine impression that they're exploring her character and personality, and that she feels fleshed-out to an even greater extent as a result. I loved the fact that Liara has mounted her framed doctorate degree certificate on the wall, in addition to the fact that she has various Prothean relics and artifacts on display in her apartment. To a certain degree, that room felt like an exploration of Liara herself. It's difficult to describe, and it may sound as if I'm rambling, but I think that most Liara fans felt the same way.

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 04:41

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pacer90 wrote...

ugh i wrote a review for you but the power died at the resort, taking the internet with it. frustrated, i went to the hill. upon reaching the hill i find out all the rain flooded all the runs. global warming ftw.
so im sitting here in the dark waiting for duty calls. jlb you have four hours before my phone dies go go go lol

TheMarshal wrote...
I at least have an excuse! My beta reader's on a snowboarding trip. Chapter 4 is sitting in his inbox waiting for him.

And yes, jlb, you do need to update yours this weekend! Moar Duty Calls!


I'm going!

(no 4 hours, though :D)

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 04:43

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TIM wants to isolate you from former allies.


Agreed. If Shepard is isolated from friends and former allies, she becomes easier to control and manipulate. Both Joker and Dr. Chakwas were assigned to the Normandy as a means of placating Shepard to a certain extent, without compromising TIM's ability to extert control over her.

Furthermore, I suspect that TIM does not want Shepard to become aware of the events of Redemption, and the manner in which he manipulated Liara. Consequently, he's attempting to sow the seeds of distrust between the two, and keep them apart. IIRC, when Liara first mentions the Shadow Broker on Illium, the Renegade dialogue response results in Shepard asking Liara if she is now working for him.

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 04:48

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Oh, and I also suspect that TIM had not anticipated that Liara would become the new Shadow Broker, and that Cerberus had given the intelligence to Shepard in the belief that they would be eliminating a powerful and influential rival in the information field.



That has obviously backfired quite spectacularly.

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 06:14

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jlb524 wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

ugh i wrote a review for you but the power died at the resort, taking the internet with it. frustrated, i went to the hill. upon reaching the hill i find out all the rain flooded all the runs. global warming ftw.
so im sitting here in the dark waiting for duty calls. jlb you have four hours before my phone dies go go go lol

TheMarshal wrote...
I at least have an excuse! My beta reader's on a snowboarding trip. Chapter 4 is sitting in his inbox waiting for him.

And yes, jlb, you do need to update yours this weekend! Moar Duty Calls!


I'm going!

(no 4 hours, though :D)


Power is back, so you're off the hook. But now theMarshal has no excuse!

@LET:

Liara's apartment is my favourite setting in any game. The mood, decorations and everything else was perfect. After the rocky chapter of ME2 between Shepard and Liara it was awesome to have that quiet moment to reflect and realize she was still thinking about Ilos, the Protheans and everything they did together.

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 08:20

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pacer90 wrote...
Power is back, so you're off the hook. But now theMarshal has no excuse!


I'm a-going, I'm a-going...  Chapter 4 will be up tomorrow!  : P

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 08:41

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This is my favorite pic of Liara. Granted she is not the one you'll all used to. Image IPB 

This my cat Liara Tali Angel (aka as Little One, Little Angel, and Cuddle Cat). She a sweet and lovable cat. Image IPB 

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Posté 26 février 2011 - 10:11

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Aw, that's a cute cat! I love the fact that she's named after both Liara and Tali. :blush:

pacer90 wrote...

@LET:

Liara's apartment is my favourite setting in any game. The mood, decorations and everything else was perfect. After the rocky chapter of ME2 between Shepard and Liara it was awesome to have that quiet moment to reflect and realize she was still thinking about Ilos, the Protheans and everything they did together.


Agreed. As I said, it was akin to an exploration of Liara's character itself, and a window into her personality, heart, mind and soul.

The fact that she has mounted her framed doctorate degree certificate on the wall showcases that she continues to value that part of her life, for example.

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:49

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Sorry for the lateness, I barely managed to get this published before passing out this morning :lol:

www.fanfiction.net/s/6431630/22/Duet

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:54

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drwells123 wrote...

Sorry for the lateness, I barely managed to get this published before passing out this morning :lol:

www.fanfiction.net/s/6431630/22/Duet



Excellent! I've been eagerly anticipating this for most of the day! Don't worry about the lateness, as I think it's preferable to ensure that your fic maintains its extremely high quality.

Again, thanks!

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 03:15

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If fanfic lateness was a crime id be strung up by the gallows. Keep it up wells!

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 07:36

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Excellent! I've been eagerly anticipating this for most of the day! Don't worry about the lateness, as I think it's preferable to ensure that your fic maintains its extremely high quality.

Again, thanks!


My pleasure and thank you. Now I'm kicking back and looking forward to pacer's, Marshal's, and jlb's next chapters :)

Modifié par drwells123, 27 février 2011 - 07:37 .

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 10:54

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Finally finished editing!

A Good Night - Chapter 4!

Modifié par TheMarshal, 27 février 2011 - 10:54 .

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TheMarshal wrote...

Finally finished editing!

A Good Night - Chapter 4!


Excellent! I shall read it ASAP! :wizard:

On the subject of Liara-centric fanfiction, has anybody ever been able to discern any trends or consistencies with the stories that are centred around her character? For example, would it be accurate to say that Liara fics often explore the more emotional elements of her relationship with Shepard? Is there also a general propensity to perhaps be a little more dark and bleak in terms of narrative or character development? Furthermore, would this imply anything about the Liara fanbase?

It's an interesting thought.

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 02:36

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drwells123 wrote...

Sorry for the lateness, I barely managed to get this published before passing out this morning :lol:

www.fanfiction.net/s/6431630/22/Duet



I wait all week for updates to this story, I really love it but I need to learn to read more slowly. Great work. 

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 02:38

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Finally finished editing!

A Good Night - Chapter 4!


Excellent! I shall read it ASAP! :wizard:

On the subject of Liara-centric fanfiction, has anybody ever been able to discern any trends or consistencies with the stories that are centred around her character? For example, would it be accurate to say that Liara fics often explore the more emotional elements of her relationship with Shepard? Is there also a general propensity to perhaps be a little more dark and bleak in terms of narrative or character development? Furthermore, would this imply anything about the Liara fanbase?

It's an interesting thought.

I think it may mean that even we in the Liara fanbase feel that the romance felt a bit rushed, and that the tone of it does sort of lean in favor of Liara being the token naive virgin type despite the fact that what else we know about her character doesn't match it. Hence, we add things to make everything feel more consistent.

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I think it may mean that even we in the Liara fanbase feel that the romance felt a bit rushed, and that the tone of it does sort of lean in favor of Liara being the token naive virgin type despite the fact that what else we know about her character doesn't match it. Hence, we add things to make everything feel more consistent.


Hmmm. I'd agree with that. Although I do believe that those who interpret the Liara romance in that manner, and believe that it falls within the archetype that you described, do neglect to adequately analyse her character. I wouldn't say that Liara's romance is inconsistent with the presentation of the rest of her character; rather, I think it requires a greater amount of content and exposition.

Liara's romance would have benefited greatly from Therum mandatorily occurring immediately after Shepard's acquisition of the Normandy.

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 03:04

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Liara's romance would have benefited greatly from Therum mandatorily occurring immediately after Shepard's acquisition of the Normandy.

Oh, most definitely, though I think that all of us do that anyway. But yes, further personal exposition for Liara would be great; she, like Tali and to a lesser extent Wrex, has most of her topics be about her culture, rather than herself.

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 05:13

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

On the subject of Liara-centric fanfiction, has anybody ever been able to discern any trends or consistencies with the stories that are centred around her character? For example, would it be accurate to say that Liara fics often explore the more emotional elements of her relationship with Shepard? Is there also a general propensity to perhaps be a little more dark and bleak in terms of narrative or character development? Furthermore, would this imply anything about the Liara fanbase?

It's an interesting thought.


Yes I've always found that. Shep's that romance Liara in fics, or even other characters that romance Liara in some fics, often have a dark past or something similar. It does make for good character development on the part of Shepard though, and it generally plays out as Liara helping them through. This may be because Liara as a character would be very good at doing this even ingame and so it translates well to fic.

Another trend I've noticed is that the Noveria mission is always done last, or at least it is in almost all the fics I've read.

Modifié par oxymoo28, 27 février 2011 - 07:34 .

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Yes I've always found that. Shep's that romance Liara in fics, or even other characters that romance Liara in some fics, often have a dark past or something similar. It does make for good character development on the part of Shepard though, and it generally plays out as Liara helping them through. This may be because Liara as a character would be very good at doing this even ingame and so it translates well to fic.


Yes, I'd agree with this. I think it's a logical extension of what is presented in-game, which is that Liara cares deeply about Shepard, and is one of few people to see beyond the moniker of "Commander Shepard, Saviour of the Citadel". Liara is a compassionate and empathetic person, and genuine care and concern is a fundamental aspect of her relationship with Shepard. It's interesting to note that Liara is one of few individuals in ME2 who will express genuine concern for Shepard's wellbeing, and inquire as to how she is doing. It's a relatively unique aspect of the Shepard/Liara relationship, romantic or otherwise.

Another trend I've noticed is that the Noveria mission is always done last, or at least it is in almost all the fics I've read.


Indeed! I believe that this is a common occurrence in Liara fanfiction due to the fact that it build suspense, and grants the eventual Benezia confrontation a tone of ominousness and finality. It's almost a climax to a certain element of the romance that has been building thus far, and also allows the writer to explore Liara's emotional strength and resilience. I like that.

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 10:48

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Yes, I'd agree with this. I think it's a logical extension of what is presented in-game, which is that Liara cares deeply about Shepard, and is one of few people to see beyond the moniker of "Commander Shepard, Saviour of the Citadel". Liara is a compassionate and empathetic person, and genuine care and concern is a fundamental aspect of her relationship with Shepard. It's interesting to note that Liara is one of few individuals in ME2 who will express genuine concern for Shepard's wellbeing, and inquire as to how she is doing. It's a relatively unique aspect of the Shepard/Liara relationship, romantic or otherwise.


Yes I agree with what you say about Liara there. Whilst I like that Liara actually asks Shepard how she's feeling, it's unfortunate that none of the other possible LIs do so (I might have heard Jacob does so to a certain degree? Not that I know first hand, none of my femSheps would go near him). That's another reason for my not yet having earned the paramour acheivement for ME2. If I have to listen to them talking about their problems why can't I talk about mine? I died. Liara comes across very much as Shepard's equal in LotSB, not that she wasn't previously. It comes across as she's very comfortable and secure in her relationship at the end of LotSB, and she feels able to ask such a personal question and get an honest answer.

Another trend I've noticed is that the Noveria mission is always done last, or at least it is in almost all the fics I've read.


Indeed! I believe that this is a common occurrence in Liara fanfiction due to the fact that it build suspense, and grants the eventual Benezia confrontation a tone of ominousness and finality. It's almost a climax to a certain element of the romance that has been building thus far, and also allows the writer to explore Liara's emotional strength and resilience. I like that.


I like the strength Liara is shown to have in that scene too, both ingame and in fanfiction. I think it has been used in fic where Shep has now gotten to a point where, even if Liara desn't need them, they are able to be the emotional support she has been for them up until that point. Like you say it also builds suspense to be used near the end, near all the other events that occur in the endgame, as I think when combined they can make for some quite emotional scenes between Shep and Liara.
Not that I could ever write any, I really just don't have that kind of ability or attention span:P

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 11:31

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"Casual Fridays come to the Normandy." That's awesome :lol: Outstanding work scampermax.

May I submit this for your consideration? :)


A bit off topic, but....

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Posté 27 février 2011 - 11:37

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scampermax wrote...

drwells123 wrote...

"Casual Fridays come to the Normandy." That's awesome :lol: Outstanding work scampermax.

May I submit this for your consideration? :)


A bit off topic, but....

*snip*

project link




<3 That is so awesome! It's things like this that make me wish I had the PC version :(. 

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Yes I agree with what you say about Liara there. Whilst I like that Liara actually asks Shepard how she's feeling, it's unfortunate that none of the other possible LIs do so (I might have heard Jacob does so to a certain degree? Not that I know first hand, none of my femSheps would go near him). That's another reason for my not yet having earned the paramour acheivement for ME2. If I have to listen to them talking about their problems why can't I talk about mine? I died. Liara comes across very much as Shepard's equal in LotSB, not that she wasn't previously. It comes across as she's very comfortable and secure in her relationship at the end of LotSB, and she feels able to ask such a personal question and get an honest answer.


Yes, exactly! The fact that the pair of them feel comfortable in confiding in each other says a great deal about their relationship, romantic or otherwise. Shepard rarely lowers her emotional barriers, and for her to do so in Liara's presence is testament to how much she trusts and appreciates her psychological support, and values their relationship. Liara is one of few individuals who genuinely care about Shepard in a deeply interpersonal manner, and it shows.

I like the strength Liara is shown to have in that scene too, both ingame and in fanfiction. I think it has been used in fic where Shep has now gotten to a point where, even if Liara desn't need them, they are able to be the emotional support she has been for them up until that point. Like you say it also builds suspense to be used near the end, near all the other events that occur in the endgame, as I think when combined they can make for some quite emotional scenes between Shep and Liara.
Not that I could ever write any, I really just don't have that kind of ability or attention span:P


Oh, I think that you should definitely, at the very least, attempt to write some Liara fanfiction! I think your interpretations of her character and actions have been extremely interesting, and that it would be great if you were ever able to transmit your ideas to some form of creative writing.

But yeah, I agree with you. Especially when considering the fact that it is probable that, prior to the confrontation with Benezia, Liara would have been comforting Shepard following the casualties suffered on Virmire. Again, it showcases the existence of deep and genuine interpersonal trust in their relationship. It's beautiful!

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