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[jlb524]

I like how you RP that, Marshal

I need to catch up on reading fan fic and writing my own.

Damn DA2...

oxymoo28 wrote...

Does anyone think there is any chance of Liara involvement in the Arrival DLC? Because this Object Rho sounds like it could well be a Prothean artifact. It could just be an e-mail, and if this DLC can only be started after finishing the main quest the game could detect whether we've saved the collector base or not, and whether we've completed LotSB or not.

I doubt it, just b/c LotSB was optional.  It's sad though....she probably would be interested in this and it would be cool if there's at least a mention of Liara in Arrival...like even an email.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

I like how you RP that, Marshal

I need to catch up on reading fan fic and writing my own.

Damn DA2...

oxymoo28 wrote...

Does anyone think there is any chance of Liara involvement in the Arrival DLC? Because this Object Rho sounds like it could well be a Prothean artifact. It could just be an e-mail, and if this DLC can only be started after finishing the main quest the game could detect whether we've saved the collector base or not, and whether we've completed LotSB or not.

I doubt it, just b/c LotSB was optional.  It's sad though....she probably would be interested in this and it would be cool if there's at least a mention of Liara in Arrival...like even an email.

I wouldn't mind getting an email from her. Say after doing Arrival, and you get a station like SB. And on the Alliance screen is your old email, with many unanswered messages.

[TheMarshal]

I can't have been the only one who, after learning about the fate of the Protheans, thought "Man, I've gotta tell Liara about this!" I imagine the feeling will be much the same in Arrival.

[azarhal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I can't have been the only one who, after learning about the fate of the Protheans, thought "Man, I've gotta tell Liara about this!" I imagine the feeling will be much the same in Arrival.

Indeed!

During my first playthrough, I remember thinking that the Collector/Prothean revelation is something that would interest Liara, and that it was a shame that she was not present to learn of their ultimate fate.

Though, she seems to have discovered this prior to sorting through the Shadow Broker's data. I wonder if she was somehow able to read Shepard or Miranda's mission reports, and that she learnt of the Protheans' fate in that manner?

She learn it after you do the Collector ship. I actually played LotSB right after you get access to Illium just to see if she was going to mention the link and she didn't. So the information is coming from the ShadowBroker archives.

There is also a timelapse between defeating the SB and Shepard standing in the ship to see Liara. So she had the time to look a few entries. Personally, I believe that the first thing she did after learning how to use the system was to do a search on Protheans and Reapers in the archives.

[jamesp81]

Collider wrote...

I don't know, it would be odd for Liara to be a squad mate when she's the Shadow Broker. That doesn't exactly leave her all the time in the world. Liara was falling asleep at her desk when with her own original information network. Shadow Broker network? More difficulty. Moreover I think Liara being the SB is fascinating and I think I'd rather see here do her thing there than be a squad mate like everyone else. She has a unique position right now and it would feel silly for them to detach Liara from it now.<br />
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Not being a squad mate won't mean that you can't interact with her, though. I expect and hope that she'll have a good amount of content equal to the characters that are squad mates.

Wouldn't it be nice if the Normandy operated out of the base on Hagalaz?  It would make sense.  It's hidden, access to the SB network, etc.....

[jamesp81]

This thread needs moar ManShep/Liara romance, btw

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I can't have been the only one who, after learning about the fate of the Protheans, thought "Man, I've gotta tell Liara about this!" I imagine the feeling will be much the same in Arrival.

Nope, I thought the same right away...too bad you couldn't run back to Illium and tell her.

I just pretend my Shepard tells her...in an email of course

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

From a meta perspective, the reason as to why she does not mention this if LotSB is completed prior to the Collector Ship mission is quite obvious. It would spoil the revelation for the player, and, in terms of narrative, render the Collector Ship mission almost entirely pointless. However, from an in-universe perspective, I wonder why Liara does not mention the Shadow Broker's knowledge of the Prothean/Collector connection? Or, similar to how Garrus and Tali will not acknowledge Liara or Wrex, should it be dismissed as a game design issue?

I don't know...another thing that makes no sense.  

I guess we should trust them when they say it's better to play LotSB after the Suicide Mission

I doubt something like that would just slip Liara's mind and she wouldn't think it unimportant, especially given Shepard's connection to the Protheans from ME1.

[oxymoo28]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I can't have been the only one who, after learning about the fate of the Protheans, thought "Man, I've gotta tell Liara about this!" I imagine the feeling will be much the same in Arrival.

Nope, I thought the same right away...too bad you couldn't run back to Illium and tell her.

I just pretend my Shepard tells her...in an email of course

Same, to all of this.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Well, I'm considering the possibility that the Shadow Broker's data relating to the Protheans/Collectors is not exactly 100% clear and concise, and that it only really makes sense to an individual who has acquired prior knowledge of said information.

If Liara is the Shadow Broker when Shepard embarks on the Collector Ship mission, and then proceeds to inform her of the Prothean/Collector connection, I would imagine that Liara would examine the data once again, and realise that the Shadow Broker was aware of said connection all along.

Sure, hey!  That sounds great!

I doubt anyone else could pull a better explanation out of their butts at least.

[jlb524]

That's perfectly fine...that' why they're there

[azarhal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Right, so you're suggesting that Liara became aware of the Prothean/Collector connection following the Collector Ship mission, and that upon studying the Shadow Broker's information archive, she also realises that the previous Shadow Broker was aware of this connection too?

From a meta perspective, the reason as to why she does not mention this if LotSB is completed prior to the Collector Ship mission is quite obvious. It would spoil the revelation for the player, and, in terms of narrative, render the Collector Ship mission almost entirely pointless. However, from an in-universe perspective, I wonder why Liara does not mention the Shadow Broker's knowledge of the Prothean/Collector connection? Or, similar to how Garrus and Tali will not acknowledge Liara or Wrex, should it be dismissed as a game design issue?

It's always hard to know what is a design "limitation" and what is not. .Although, Garrus do acknowledge the VS.

Actually, I had time to rethink and she could have known about it, but prefered not to say anything to Shepard until after she was sure that Shepard also knew. That dialog is purely on what the ShadowBroker knew and her quote, "The ShadowBroker also knew that the Collectors were repurposed Protheans", sound a bit like the fact was old news to her.

I wonder how much Liara knows compared to what she tell the player. The first time you meet Liara in M1 and ask about the Conduit she goes: "The Conduit? But I...", but later in the debriefing Kaidan ask her about the Conduit and she saids that it's something that is linked to the Prothean extinction. For something that was a Top Secret project that wasn't kept in governement records, Liara seems to know quite a bit about it. I also suspect that Liara's researches is how Sovereign/Saren learned about the Conduit in the first place. Liara also have a "The Reapers? But I..." when Shepard first mention them...

[pacer90]

jamesp81 wrote...

This thread needs moar ManShep/Liara romance, btw

Manshep can handle being a minority for once!

There are a couple ManShep fan fics I like, I'll see if I can't round em up for you if you want. Mine is really NOT a good measuring stick for the potential that some of these have these other mansheps appear to be created by actual writers

[patocerda]

I'm with you Ericzio
@jamesp81: You should read End of the Beginning. Apart from being the best MaleShep/Liara FanFic I've read, it has some of your ideas. Sadly, it's been 2 months since it last updated

[Xilizhra]

I'm surprise not many use the maleshep/liara romance to be honest.

Do you want a real reason? I'd be happy to give it to you, but you might not like what you hear.

[jlb524]

azarhal wrote...
I also suspect that Liara's researches is how Sovereign/Saren learned about the Conduit in the first place.

I've always wondered the same...

I would imagine Saren dug up research papers on the Prothean extinction and I'm sure he ran across some written by Liara.  Benezia might have even provided these to them, as I assume she would follow her daughter's science career.  

The 'Conduit' specifically might not be one of Liara's theories, but maybe another's that she read about.  We don't really know.  More questions

[emmanuelsieyes]

Finding any detail on the Conduit would be very hard, though. Vigil states that almost all of the official records were stored at the citadel, and were destroyed during the Reaper attack. Even the location of the mu relay was lost until Benezia retrieved it from the Rachni queen.

I mean, I'm not doubting Liara's skills as an archeologist. However, if the entire Reaper fleet couldn't find any information on the Conduit (and keep in mind they were looking for hundreds of years, and they indoctrinated massive numbers of people), I doubt that Liara would have had much luck finding something.

It's possible that she could have discovered the 'mass relay monument' at the Citadel, but ultimately, she's an archeologist, not a physicist.

IMO, the most likely outcome is that Liara came across some kind of data about a military project on Ilos. She was able to recognize Ilos from the beacon data on Virmire, so clearly she has some information about what kind of facilities were on Ilos. I would expect that Liara had some publications describing a facility on Ilos, which Saren/Benezia found (which is why they were looking for the mu relay).

Ericzio wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

This thread needs moar ManShep/Liara romance, btw

I'm pratcically the only male(not saying that there isn't anyone else) here that officially uses maleshep/liara romance
I would spam everyone of my stupid shep and the very gorgeous liara pics, but i play on xbox, and for that i can not. i think.
I'm surprise not many use the maleshep/liara romance to be honest. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie] my all time fav! 

Personally, I prefer Jennifer Hale's performance of the romance. Mark Meer does a good VO, but he tends to be very stoic. I like Jennifer Hale's voiceover because she's got this really interesting sense of emotion. Her sense of emotion comes out _really well_ during the Liaramance, especially during LoTSB endgame.

FWIW, I am male, but I play FemShep.

I've watched the other romances on YouTube. I'm doing a garrusmance playthrough now (haven't gotten to ME2 yet). I think that the garrusmance is just funny. However, FemShep/Liara is my favorite (especially during LoTSB). I think that it's the best written path, and with Jennifer Hale's voiceover, I think that it's really compelling.

That said, I will have to do a MaleShep playthrough to test the other half of the Liaramance.

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 02 mars 2011 - 03:08 .

[The_Wonder_of_Thedas]

Not too sure where to post this, and I don't want to start another thread either, but I just want to profess my unconditional love for Liara.

That is all.

[azarhal]

I'm currently doing a maleShep/Liara playthrough, my second one.

And I'm going to get lots of people killed, my plan is to have the minimun number of survivors and play LotSB after the SM. In all my other playthrough everybody made it out alive, I'm a bit tired of it.

The_Wonder_of_Thedas wrote...

Not too sure where to post this, and I don't want to start another thread either, but I just want to profess my unconditional love for Liara.

That is all.

I belive this is the correct thread to profess your love for Liara.