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[jlb524]

Yeah, it's up to your own 'head canon'. I don't like to think she hung out on the Citadel for one month, but that she started looking for Shepard's body right away (after learning that the Alliance wasn't going to do anything about it, or not do that much about it). Alchera would have been the obvious place to start (it was for Legion too). I'm assuming Liara hired a survey team that she lead herself in order to scour the planet for Shepard's body or clues to where it was at.



I don't think she left the Citadel the next day, though. I think she spent maybe a week there, perhaps attending a memorial service for Shepard. She also would have needed sometime preparing for the expedition. Therefore, I think she started looking about 2 weeks or so after the Normandy's destruction. This would have given the Blue Suns time to get to Alchera first and obtain Shepard's body, plus would have allowed Legion to arrive on Alchera and get the first piece of armor. The Shadow Broker must have caught wind of this (as well as Cerberus) so the former sent Feron to attempt to lead her astray in her hunt for Shepard, while the latter sent Feron to assist her in finding Shepard.



That's my head canon, at least. It's also possible she took a brief time off in between leaving the Cerberus station and returning to Illium in order to travel to Alchera.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, it's up to your own 'head canon'. I don't like to think she hung out on the Citadel for one month, but that she started looking for Shepard's body right away (after learning that the Alliance wasn't going to do anything about it, or not do that much about it). Alchera would have been the obvious place to start (it was for Legion too). I'm assuming Liara hired a survey team that she lead herself in order to scour the planet for Shepard's body or clues to where it was at.

I don't think she left the Citadel the next day, though. I think she spent maybe a week there, perhaps attending a memorial service for Shepard. She also would have needed sometime preparing for the expedition. Therefore, I think she started looking about 2 weeks or so after the Normandy's destruction. This would have given the Blue Suns time to get to Alchera first and obtain Shepard's body, plus would have allowed Legion to arrive on Alchera and get the first piece of armor. The Shadow Broker must have caught wind of this (as well as Cerberus) so the former sent Feron to attempt to lead her astray in her hunt for Shepard, while the latter sent Feron to assist her in finding Shepard.

That's my head canon, at least. It's also possible she took a brief time off in between leaving the Cerberus station and returning to Illium in order to travel to Alchera.

Jacob mentiones that the Alliance (and ultimativly the council) withheld the information regarding Shepard's death for roughly 6 months ( I think that was how long Jacob said) in order to use him for recruitment ads. So there wouldn't be any offical cermony for Shepard until Liara was a info broker.

But I guess that once all the Normandy survivors were sent back to the Citadel (I would imagine that would be the destination) all the remaining crew + Liara, Garrus, Tali and VS gathered to hold something private.

[Captain Iglo]

I really would have liked to see something like a funeral in ME2...to bring in some emotion. Well thats an important part of my headcanon when I start a new round of ME2.

on a sidenote: The brilliant LOTSB Soundtrack is available on Amazon.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 14 décembre 2010 - 09:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Captain Iglo wrote...

I really would have liked to see something like a funeral in ME2...to bring in some emotion. Well thats an important part of my headcanon when I start a new round of ME2.

on a sidenote: The brilliant LOTSB Soundtrack is available on Amazon.

In my headcanon I always imagined that one of the first thing Shepard did when he had the sparetime to it was to watch recordings of his own funeral.

And the lack of a funeral is just one of the many weaknesses of the "Shepard's death and resurection plot", but that's for another topic.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 14 décembre 2010 - 09:57 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

All we know for a time line is that:

1) The Normandy is destroyed one month after the Battle of the Citadel.

2) One month later, Liara is on Omega looking for Shepard's remains.

3) After an unspecified amount of time, Liara and Feron recover Shepard's body and Liara gives it to Miranda/Cerberus. I think Redemption probably takes place over a weeks time...maybe a bit more.

4) Liara spends an unknown amount of time at the Cerberus base before deciding to leave in order to find Feron herself. I doubt she spent more than a few days here, though.

5) A little over two years later, Shepard is finally resurrected and Liara is now working as an information broker (we really don't know for how long, but it can be assumed that she spent most of the two years doing this, considering how successful she's become).

Hmmm...let me know if I missed anything or messed up.

Well, the only thing I'd say is that it wasn't a week. Redemption was 2 or three days. Liara goes to Omega, enters Afterlife, meets Feron, goes for a walk, attacked by merc, then meets Cerberus and TIM. That's at least a day. Then Liara goes on her search, meets Aria, and then goes into the mining area, tries to save Shepard, and fails. This might be day 2. Then Liara follows Taz to the Shadow Broker's base, and it's morning out. When she leaves, it's night. So that'd be the end of day 3 or 2.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:05 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

I really would have liked to see something like a funeral in ME2...to bring in some emotion. Well thats an important part of my headcanon when I start a new round of ME2.

on a sidenote: The brilliant LOTSB Soundtrack is available on Amazon.

In my headcanon I always imagined that one of the first thing Shepard did when he had the sparetime to it was to watch recordings of his own funeral.

And the lack of a funeral is just one of the many weaknesses of the "Shepard's death and resurection plot", but that's for another topic.

Well, I think it's more of the fact that no one talks about the fact that you died. You just came back, and that's that. No "How did you come back?" or "Do you even feel pain?" or "How human are you?".

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

I really would have liked to see something like a funeral in ME2...to bring in some emotion. Well thats an important part of my headcanon when I start a new round of ME2.

on a sidenote: The brilliant LOTSB Soundtrack is available on Amazon.

In my headcanon I always imagined that one of the first thing Shepard did when he had the sparetime to it was to watch recordings of his own funeral.

And the lack of a funeral is just one of the many weaknesses of the "Shepard's death and resurection plot", but that's for another topic.

Well, I think it's more of the fact that no one talks about the fact that you died. You just came back, and that's that. No "How did you come back?" or "Do you even feel pain?" or "How human are you?".

Of course that also matters, more so in fact.

[TMA LIVE]

I'm about to go to the Shadow Broker base in my current playthrough. Who do you consider the best person for the broker to comment on?

[Captain Iglo]

I always love it when he says "Justicar"...then again its also because Samara is my favorite ME2 squaddie.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm about to go to the Shadow Broker base in my current playthrough. Who do you consider the best person for the broker to comment on?

Garrus. I would also have liked to add Samara but then the whole "badass Justicar get's owned by furniture" part happens.

If your Shepard preserved the collector base then Miranda is also a good candidate.

Overall. Garrus.

[Captain Iglo]

Lizardviking wrote...

Garrus. I would also have liked to add Samara but then the whole "badass Justicar get's owned by furniture" part happens.

Damn I never thought about that. Actually she should be easily able to stop the furniture with her  biotics.

[TMA LIVE]

That, and it doesn't seem that personal for Liara to say "You're not going to lay a hand on anyone!" when he just said something like "Hmm, she's a badass, since she was able to beat her daughter."

While with Garrus, he plans on cashing a bounty on him. Which works with the line.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:27 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Garrus. I would also have liked to add Samara but then the whole "badass Justicar get's owned by furniture" part happens.

Damn I never thought about that. Actually she should be easily able to stop the furniture with her  biotics.

It's even worse when Liara reveals that Vasir is a traitor. Instead of assisting Liara in pursuing Vasir, she just stand there like a clown.

As much as I like Samara, I always refuse to take her with me if I know the map will have a cutscene that result in Samara just standing there instead of using her biotics to assist the situation.

"EDIT"

TMA LIVE wrote...

That, and it doesn't seem that personal
for Liara to say "You're not going to lay a hand on anyone!" when he
just said something like "Hmm, she's a badass, since she was able to
beat her daughter."

While with Garrus, he plans on cashing a bounty on him. Which works with the line.

And that's a good reason too.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, the only thing I'd say is that it wasn't a week. Redemption was 2 or three days. Liara goes to Omega, enters Afterlife, meets Feron, goes for a walk, attacked by merc, then meets Cerberus and TIM. That's at least a day. Then Liara goes on her search, meets Aria, and then goes into the mining area, tries to save Shepard, and fails. This might be day 2. Then Liara follows Taz to the Shadow Broker's base, and it's morning out. When she leaves, it's night. So that'd be the end of day 3 or 2.

Regardless, it wasn't a very long time.  I just said a week b/c I wasn't sure how long it took them to travel to the SB base then to the Ceberus base.

[Shadowcat101]

This is just speculating on how Liara will get into ME3, as a squad member. I personally don’t believe she couldn’t be a squad member and the Shadow Broker at the same time, or it will be like trying to talk to Garrus in ME2, only Liara will say “cant it wait a minute Shepard, I’m in the middle of some negotiations” She would need to give up the roll for the time she is with Shepard. For this to happen I think  Feron will step in as the Shadow Broker while Liara is with the Squad. He owes both Liara and Shepard for his life so should be not double cross them.

I would just be surprised if somehow BioWare get Liara in to the squad, and still let her play the role of Shadow Broker. That or they never intended her to come back as a squad member in ME3, that would be sad.

[bjdbwea]

I don't think that she will be a companion in ME 3. Of course she should be, but then so she (as well as Ashley or Kaidan) should have been in ME 2. Unfortunately, BioWare didn't do what was best for story and coherence back then, and I have some doubts whether they will now.

Anyway, I think that the best that we can realistically hope for is for Liara to play an important role as the SB in ME 3, and for the romance to be continued too, as beautiful as it was started in ME 1 and continued in LotSB. Or perhaps we'll have to wait for another DLC for that content. I for one wouldn't mind that, at least then the content would hopefully be of the renowned BioWare quality again.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[Captain Iglo]

Well Im sure with the help of EDI she could be able to at least handle the most important Shadow Broker business on board the Normandy while Feron does the rest.

[jlb524]

I think she will be away from Shepard and acting as the Shadow Broker for the beginning of the game (until things get rolling), then she will join later on when her abilities are needed in the squad (you know, when all the heavy fighting starts and it's kill or be killed).



I still believe Liara and Shepard can continue a relationship even if she's not in the squad, especially if the Shadow Broker base acts as a 'base of operations' for Shepard in ME3.

[bjdbwea]

That would certainly be possible for any decent writer to implement. In fact, a romance with a character who's not an actual companion would even be something new in a BioWare game. Better yet, the problem of the two people having to accomplish difficult tasks far away from each other could even be an interesting topic itself. A decent writer could use that to add some depth to the conversations. They would of course still need to be able to talk to each other occasionally, and see each other in person at least once or twice. It goes without saying that a few emails can never be enough to tell the story of a romance in movie or in a video game like this.

So yeah, whether Liara will be a companion or not, the most important question is: Will decent writers be given the freedom and the time that are needed to write her role properly this time?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:52 .

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

So yeah, whether Liara will be a companion or not, the most important question is: Will decent writers be given the freedom and the time that are needed to write her role properly this time?

I hope so....I guess it depends on if we are getting a lot of new squad mates or not.  I'm completely against new squad mates (or if there will be some, not a lot) because that means the writers have to focus most time on making them 'super cool and awesome', plus still finish up the stories of all the old 15 squad mates (even though most of these could be cameos, they still have to write them).  That's just a lot of characters to worry about, and it's going to take away from the dev of individual characters, Liara included.

[bjdbwea]

From the perspective of what would be best for the story, it is obvious that ME 3 doesn't need new companions, nor major new characters, nor new enemies. But then, the same was already true for ME 2. Unfortunately, the perspective of what some people thought might bring a few more sales apparently prevailed. I doubt that this will significantly change for ME 3, though I do think that the crew could remain more or less the same this time, since I suspect that the unfortunate almost complete reset of the series was due to the planned PS 3 version.

At least PS 3 players will also be able to start the Liara romance (otherwise it would make little sense to offer them LotSB), so that at least should not prevent the continuation of the Liara romance in ME 3.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 décembre 2010 - 12:20 .

[SonofMacPhisto]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm about to go to the Shadow Broker base in my current playthrough. Who do you consider the best person for the broker to comment on?

I took Garrus my first time, and well, it's pretty sweet when he pops the heat sink in response to the Broker's snide insinuations. 

(Also, hi everyone... first post here!  You've got some great discussion here.  I hope I can contribute.  I'm reading through it now and trying to get caught up. )

[SonofMacPhisto]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jbauck wrote...
As for baby names, I'm going to cheer myself up by going with: they name their children after the place they were conceived, and their honeymoon results in little baby Normandy T'Soni-Shepard.  'Cuz, well, it was a long flight.

Haha!

Regarding the Illium Lost Locket assignment, I actually think that specific quest and conversation is a subtle piece of fanservice directed at us Liara romancers. I'm sure BioWare is aware of the fact that many of us are curious regarding the future of Shepard and Liara's romance, and how the asari perceive their human bondmates. To see that one asari so openly grieving for and mourning her deceased human bondmate was quite touching, and gives us an indication as to how some asari regard their relationships with humans.

I do think that a possible bondmate ceremony in ME3 has been foreshadowed enough times, but we'll have to wait and see. Personally, I'd be overjoyed if BW incorporated something like this!

Not to bring in too much outside fiction, but, you reminded me of the marriage between Aragorn and Arwen at the end of Lord of the Rings.  The analogies between that, and Shepard and Liara, just sorta kinda blew my mind.  ME3, in my mind, is already shaping up to be 'Return of the King IN SPACE' so this will require further consideration.

*strokes beard*

Also, I'd like to point out, since I haven't seen it yet (long thread is long), but if Aethyta is Liara's mother, then Liara's grandfather is a Krogan.