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[jlb524]

Yes...those traits...I chalk it up to limitations of the media.

[jamesp81]

kumquats wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I'm surprise not many use the maleshep/liara romance to be honest.

For my MaleShep I choose the
Jack romance, just because I think Jack's backround is so heartbreaking
and I think she deserves to be loved.<3
But I save alot and of course tried different Dialogue options. I cheatet on Liara just to get the "I only want you" speech.
Without the Jack option my MaleShep would have stayed with Liara, I think.

I've been having a hard time deciding which LI my CanonShep will go with.

Liara is wonderful, especially in LotSB.  Ashley strikes me as someone who's a lot of fun at parties.  I also like Tali a lot.

Never could warm up to Jack.  Yeah, she's had a tragic past, but I've been around The Crazy enough times to know it never ends well.  Not that I can talk.....

[jamesp81]

Xilizhra wrote...

That one might be more of a problem with the players of the romance than the romance itself. As for why the romance seems worse off... well, Maleshep was made to be less of a character, and I think that's behind nearly all of the things that annoy us about him.

I never did pick up on this.  I thought Jennifer Hale did a good job overall, but I never really did warm up to femshep.  Something about the acting seemed off.....like maybe she was trying too hard to sound like a badass.  I suspect there is quite a dose of "I am woman, see me break men" which just doesn't do it for me, and never will.  JMO, but I never could get into femshep.  Besides, I can't properly role play a woman anyway, seeing how I'm not one.

Modifié par jamesp81, 02 mars 2011 - 08:43 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Yes...those traits...I chalk it up to limitations of the media.

I disagree. Comic books are capable of some quite wonderful feats of character development and storytelling, and certainly do not rely upon mindless action scenes in order to adequately tell a story. Alan Moore's Watchmen is a perfect example of this.

I actually think that Redemption could have been written a lot better, and that it was perfectly feasible for Liara's character to be consistent with what is presented in-game.

Then chalk it up to....ah, let's just blame Mac Walters and be done with it.

[pacer90]

It would have been more appropriate for Liara to blow up with aggression at the END of the comic. The result of a series of setbacks and betrayals led by the climax of Feron being captured and Shepard being a husk of a human.

But instead she was portrayed as violent and angry right off the bat, which is the opposite of what I expected. I figured she would be at least somewhat timid and hesitant in this new world she was thrown into without Shepard with her. That doesn't mean she isn't capable of thriving in this new situation, but she really was taken out of her element on the Normandy, and after Shep died so suddenly and Liara found herself on Omega... well that is certainly a change from the dig site.

[pacer90]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Then chalk it up to....ah, let's just blame Mac Walters and be done with it.

Yes, the man that should be kept at a safe distance from Liara at all times.

BioWare would be beyond bonkers to have any writer but Patrick Weekes handle Liara's character from this point onwards. As we've all often stated, his work in Lair of the Shadow Broker is amazing.

He should be in charge of all character interactions imo.

The man knows what it means to be SUBTLEEE!!! To build tension and juxtapose it with the action!

Half the time Mac Walters gives a character a single trait and paints it on their forehead... dooming them to the one dimensional drones that they are.

[jlb524]

Liara does blow up at the end of the comic when she destroys the room in which she spoke with the SB's avatar. I always thought that scene was fine. But pacer is correct in that there should have been a build up to that scene.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pacer90 wrote...

It would have been more appropriate for Liara to blow up with aggression at the END of the comic. The result of a series of setbacks and betrayals led by the climax of Feron being captured and Shepard being a husk of a human.

But instead she was portrayed as violent and angry right off the bat, which is the opposite of what I expected. I figured she would be at least somewhat timid and hesitant in this new world she was thrown into without Shepard with her. That doesn't mean she isn't capable of thriving in this new situation, but she really was taken out of her element on the Normandy, and after Shep died so suddenly and Liara found herself on Omega... well that is certainly a change from the dig site.

True. In retroperspective, perhaps she should be like she is in LOTSB (if Shepard was not presence that is). Very buisness and "Let's not waste time" attitude, perhaps slightly distant?

Just a suggestion.

"EDIT"

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
As an aside, is anybody else
disappointed with the fact that the data relating to the Shadow Broker
simply disappeared, and that a seemingly significant item was completely
overlooked? I was expecting this data to somehow play a part in Liara's
inevitable confrontation with the Shadow Broker, but it was completely
and utterly forgotten about. I had always expected that it would be a
Chekov's Gun, considering the emphasis that is placed on the scene in
which Feron hands the data to Liara, and instructs her to return it to
Cerberus.

When I read the comics, I thought the data was pretty important. I halfway expected it to perhaps have something to with the Reapers or something important (have it be a part of a greater datafile, meaning Liara had to take over the network to fully understand it). Also what the hell happend to Vigil's data file? Did Liara forget it on the SR-1?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 02 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[kumquats]

jamesp81 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I'm surprise not many use the maleshep/liara romance to be honest.

For my MaleShep I choose the
Jack romance, just because I think Jack's backround is so heartbreaking
and I think she deserves to be loved.<3
But I save alot and of course tried different Dialogue options. I cheatet on Liara just to get the "I only want you" speech.
Without the Jack option my MaleShep would have stayed with Liara, I think.

I've been having a hard time deciding which LI my CanonShep will go with.

Liara is wonderful, especially in LotSB.  Ashley strikes me as someone who's a lot of fun at parties.  I also like Tali a lot.

Never could warm up to Jack.  Yeah, she's had a tragic past, but I've been around The Crazy enough times to know it never ends well.  Not that I can talk.....

I think Liara with any Shepard will be a very good choice for the first ME3 playthrough. I just like the idea for my CanonShep to have a LI through all 3 games.
My maleShep has a very tragic background and a carzy girlfriend, maybe he is just doomed

Modifié par kumquats, 02 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[Kingthlayer]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

As an aside, is anybody else disappointed with the fact that the data relating to the Shadow Broker simply disappeared, and that a seemingly significant item was completely overlooked? I was expecting this data to somehow play a part in Liara's inevitable confrontation with the Shadow Broker, but it was completely and utterly forgotten about. I had always expected that it would be a Chekov's Gun, considering the emphasis that is placed on the scene in which Feron hands the data to Liara, and instructs her to return it to Cerberus.

That could be a lead that she followed in the 2 years between getting the info and killing the Shadow Broker.  When breaking into the base, Shepard says something along the lines of "Have you broken into the Shadow Brokers base before" and Liara responds with "Not this one", which could be referring to the one in Redemption or possibly more during the two years.

That or the Shadow Broker had an idea of what Feron was trying to do during that scene and corrupted the data he was gathering, though with how cocky he was I don't think he would have went to the trouble.  He didn't even do anything to protect his empire when Shepard/Liara/mystery team mate were killing everything in their path to get to him.

[AlexMBrennan]

jlb524 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...
This is why I dread these discussions
[...]
Yet suggesting that Liara might not care about trivial things such Shepard's sex (e.g. because the mind meld is, at least potentially, far more intimate than anything else) is guaranteed to result in responses along the lines of "Men are abomination whose presence in the ME universe is an offence against the maker"

Nice strawman.

Sorry, but that's not a straw man argument; it is merely the reason I dread these discussions. How exactly did I use the observation that there are very vocal opponents of any male/asari pairings to conclude that manShep/Liara is better? Heck, I can't even stand Sheploo...

[Xilizhra]

Actually, the strawman was that "Sheploo is a steaming pile of failure and his romances are too" somehow equates to "men suck."

[AlexMBrennan]

I didn't say that either; I did said that other people would make comments along the lines of "men suck". At least we finally get to the ad-hominem part.

LesEnfantsTerribles said
I do still believe that a male human would seek to impose sexual intercourse on the asari, and treat them as blue-skinned female humans.

i.e. men are morally inferior because they're male.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 03 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[Xilizhra]

You may be interested to note that LET is in fact male himself. It isn't external sexism, if that helps. I think he might also have been talking about the majority of players; clearly, this doesn't include you.

[Khaos2000]

Double Post, dunno why it does that sometimes.... Bah.

Modifié par Khaos2000, 03 mars 2011 - 12:42 .

[Khaos2000]

The real reason there is more femshep/Liara than Sheploo/Liara is simple: It's either Liara or Carth Onassi. I mean really...