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[Fiery Phoenix]

It's indeed quite remarkable, Nate. One of the reasons I appreciate Liara's character so much. Blowing up people and sex isn't everything she knows or thinks about.

[Sable Phoenix]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

One thing that has always intrigued me about Liara's character, specifically her vast intellect, is her ability to memorise and recall an abundance of factual information. For example, if Noveria is saved until after Virmire, Liara will reveal that she is fully aware of the situation regarding the Mu Relay, and the reasons as to why it has been lost for thousands of years. She will spontaneously reveal this information in the Virmire debriefing, similar to how Benezia will do so when she temporarily breaks free of Sovereign's indoctrination on Noveria.

This is but one example of Liara's amazing intelligence, however. I mean, consider the manner in which she is able to successfully deduce the facts concerning the Shadow Broker's past through mere knowledge of his species...

This is a really good point.  I think Liara has something close to a photographic memory; some people just have a natural gift of perfect or nearly perfect recall, and it seems Liara has this (perhaps inherited from her mother, which might be a big part in Benezia's revered status among all asari).  She's not quite Sherlock Holmes, since Holmes was a consummate observer as well as retaining an almost encyclopedic knowledge base in that drug-hazed brain of his, but she may be the closest thing that the Mass Effect universe has.

We see this on Illium too, where she just pops off the information on Samara and Thane without having to so much as glance at her computer.  Shepard even comments on this: "You just remembered all of that off the top of your head?"  "I'm a very good information broker, Shepard."

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 03 mars 2011 - 05:13 .

[jlb524]

I think it's tough to say if Liara is/isn't an observer like Holmes as we don't have access to her character as much as his, given she's not the main character.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 mars 2011 - 05:40 .

[azarhal]

I would totally play a game with Liara as the main character investigation dark secrets in the Mass Effect Universe.

Hélas, BioWare doesn't believe people want to play aliens.

[jlb524]

azarhal wrote...

I would totally play a game with Liara as the main character investigation dark secrets in the Mass Effect Universe.

Hélas, BioWare doesn't believe people want to play aliens.

They don't...it seems most want to play as themselves in RPGs...which defeats the whole purpose of 'role-playing' IMO but whatever.

...but I would totally play a game with Liara as the main character.

[Xilizhra]

As would I, many times over.

Though doing so in a prequel would be... tricky.

[Vralenalien]

jlb524 wrote...

azarhal wrote...
I would totally play a game with Liara as the main character investigation dark secrets in the Mass Effect Universe.

Hélas, BioWare doesn't believe people want to play aliens.

They don't...it seems most want to play as themselves in RPGs...which defeats the whole purpose of 'role-playing' IMO but whatever.

...but I would totally play a game with Liara as the main character.

Luckily I'm too boring so I would ever even think of playing as myself.

I would buy game with Liara as the main character in a heart beat.

I can't imagine why anyone would not want to... Just look at her...<3

[TMA LIVE]

Let's say ME3 will finally have squad banter, and Liara, Garrus, VS, and Tali are recruitable. What do you think the discussions they'd have with each other? Like what would Garrus and Liara talk about? What would Tali and Liara talk about? What would Ash and Liara talk about? etc.

[Sable Phoenix]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

She's not quite Sherlock Holmes, since Holmes was a consummate observer as well as retaining an almost encyclopedic knowledge base in that drug-hazed brain of his, but she may be the closest thing that the Mass Effect universe has.

You don't think so? Consider the manner in which Liara is able to (correctly) extrapolate that galactic extinction occurs in cycles via the mere study of ancient Prothean ruins, and her aforementioned ability to deduce the Shadow Broker's past within a couple of minutes, via knowledge of his species and a cursory glance at the interior of the Shadow Broker Base.

I think that Liara is more than able to observe and study presented data, and arrive at logical conclusions via calling upon the vast amounts of knowledge and information that she has memorised. In a sense, I think Liara possesses vast intelligence in two differing ways: her ability to retain an encyclopedic-esque knowledge base, and the fact that she's capable of using said knowledge to analyse and study limited data, and produce logical hypotheses as a result.

I'd argue that making logical connections between known data points is a different skill than identifying small cues and making connections via observation.  It's a small distinction, but one relates to intuition and the other to visual acuity and training oneself to see certain things.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 03 mars 2011 - 08:06 .

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think that Liara could star in some form of prequel to the Mass Effect trilogy, in which she is the playable character in a game loosely inspired by Tomb Raider. As an archaeologist, Liara would explore remote Prothean digsites in an attempt to acquire and recover various clues regarding the Prothean extinction, in addition to valuable artifacts. The gameplay would consist of extensive puzzle-solving, with the occasional combat interlude against small bands of mercenaries or privateers.

I'd most certainly buy it!

I've wanted to see some Liara Croft: Tomb Raider fanart for a while now!

That, or Indiana T'Soni...  Not sure which would be cooler.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Let's say ME3 will finally have squad banter, and Liara, Garrus, VS, and Tali are recruitable. What do you think the discussions they'd have with each other? Like what would Garrus and Liara talk about? What would Tali and Liara talk about? What would Ash and Liara talk about? etc.

The Reapers.

Though, when you think about it, Liara probably has some mad amounts of 'dirt' on each of these people, though I doubt she'd bring it up in civil conversation. 

"Hey Garrus, how's your mother doing?"

[pacer90]

I would empty my bank account for a DLC/scene/anything that had some of the original squad members and a few of the new ones just sitting around yakking about Shepard and all he/she's done.

The conversation would be different depending on what you did in your playthroughs, a sort of recap of everything that has happened. The highs, the lows, the strange moments and the funny ones. What bothered each individual character and what made them happy.

To hear Liara... or anyone really say what made them feel terrible and what made them feel great would be amazing. I'd love to hear what Mordin thinks about helping all those people, what his "biography will say."

End with a toast to Shepard or something, the one that drags them through the good and the bad.

[pacer90]

I think post ME3 Shep/Liara should involve returning to Ilos, the spot on the picture in her apartment.

Modifié par pacer90, 03 mars 2011 - 11:06 .

[TheMarshal]

pacer90 wrote...

I think post ME3 Shep/Liara should involve returning to Ilos, the spot on the picture in her apartment.

You think that, post-ME3, when Liara has a future of her own to think about, that she'd continue to look to the past the way that she used to?

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Let's say ME3 will finally have squad banter, and Liara, Garrus, VS, and Tali are recruitable. What do you think the discussions they'd have with each other? Like what would Garrus and Liara talk about? What would Tali and Liara talk about? What would Ash and Liara talk about? etc.

The Reapers.

Though, when you think about it, Liara probably has some mad amounts of 'dirt' on each of these people, though I doubt she'd bring it up in civil conversation. 

"Hey Garrus, how's your mother doing?"

Ah! That's a neat idea. She'd try to ask personal questions without giving away that she knows more then she claims. But I'd imagine they'd also try to joke around, probably about past events. Garrus asking questions about when to keep fighting the impossible, and when to call it quits. Or Tali and Liara discussing how they've both lost parents, and yet try to remember and respect them.

[kumquats]

They should spend their honeymoon on Ilos.

pacer90 wrote...

I would empty my bank account for a
DLC/scene/anything that had some of the original squad members and a few
of the new ones just sitting around yakking about Shepard and all
he/she's done.

The conversation would be different depending on
what you did in your playthroughs, a sort of recap of everything that
has happened. The highs, the lows, the strange moments and the funny
ones. What bothered each individual character and what made them happy.

This would be so awesome. I would go with Liara and Mordin everywhere just to hear them interact.

[pacer90]

TheMarshal wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

I think post ME3 Shep/Liara should involve returning to Ilos, the spot on the picture in her apartment.

You think that, post-ME3, when Liara has a future of her own to think about, that she'd continue to look to the past the way that she used to?

After learning about what happened to the protheans, and what they became I imagine it would be a nice summary of how the galaxy almost became like Ilos. Empty, hallow and stripped of it's potential as a beautiful civilization.

Plus given the momentos, artifacts and paintings in Liara's apartment I'd guess the past still holds a tight grip on her interest, even if her position as the SB keeps her looking forward.