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[ScorpSt]

Another chapter of Mass Effect 2.5 is up:
www.fanfiction.net/s/6322244/15/Mass_Effect_2_and_a_half

[Shadow5287]

I hope that the relationship between liara and shep works out RIGHT in ME3 or i refuse to play the game again after i beat it once.

[Nathan Redgrave]

I found her initial ME2 portrayal a bit shaky. Sure, time passes and people change, and crap goes down, but it was a bit under-developed to really work until Lair of the Shadow Broker came along to give it depth. I enjoyed Liara's portayal in that DLC, which is easily one of the best DLC additions I've ever played for any game, ever. More games need that sort of effort put into them, and I think it's awesomeness was only emphasized by the sheer "meh"-factor of Dragon Age's "Witch Hunt" adventure, which was released on the same day (something that made it a lot more disappointing from my own point of view than it actually deserved to be).

It doesn't help that the most important bit of Liara dialogue included in ME2's retail package is easy to permanently miss, since the wrong dialogue choice permanently locks you out of it.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 20 mars 2011 - 12:01 .

[Centauri2002]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

I found her initial ME2 portrayal a bit shaky. Sure, time passes and people change, and crap goes down, but it was a bit under-developed to really work until Lair of the Shadow Broker came along to give it depth. I enjoyed Liara's portayal in that DLC, which is easily one of the best DLC additions I've ever played for any game, ever. More games need that sort of effort put into them, and I think it's awesomeness was only emphasized by the sheer "meh"-factor of Dragon Age's "Witch Hunt" adventure, which was released on the same day (something that made it a lot more disappointing from my own point of view than it actually deserved to be).

It doesn't help that the most important bit of Liara dialogue included in ME2's retail package is easy to permanently miss, since the wrong dialogue choice permanently locks you out of it.

I agree with everything you've said here.

I'll just add that the change in Liara makes a heck of a lot more sense if you'd read the Redemption comic beforehand. It's not necessary with the later explanations but it certainly rounds out the history nicely. 

That said, her focus on revenge does seem a little forced but I'm willing to let that slide since LotSB was so enjoyable.

[Fiery Phoenix]

By don-mika 

[Robhuzz]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...



By don-mika 

Awesome! Well, as long as they don't end up trying to kill eachother like the original pair.

[TMA LIVE]

(Doing Arrival before Shadow Broker)

Liara: They changed hands more then once. You remember Admiral Heckett? He -

Shepard: Yeah, I met him just recently.

Liara: Oh... Well, he... wanted me to give you those. He sends his best.

Shepard: Why not in person when I met him last week?

Liara: (shrugs).

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 21 mars 2011 - 07:22 .

[Robhuzz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

(Doing Arrival before Shadow Broker)

Liara: They changed hands more then once. You remember Admiral Heckett? He -

Shepard: Yeah, I met him just recently.

Liara: Oh... Well, he... wanted me to give you those. He sends his best.

Shepard: Why not in person when I met him last week?

Liara: (shrugs).

Nice one, but there are strong hints towards Arrival being the closing chapter of ME2 (EG no more playing after Arrival) which means you'll either be doing Lotsb before Arrival, or not at all (which would be a waste)

Shepard: So why didn't he give them to me?

Liara: Because he didn't have them?

Shepard: Why didn't he tell me you had them?

Liara: It was to be suprise...

[TMA LIVE]

I doubt they'll force an order. Simply because some might buy Arrival first. You'll still be able to do other stuff I bet.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 21 mars 2011 - 08:02 .

[Robhuzz]

If the title 'arrival' honors it's name it means the reapers will be there at the end of the DLC. I find it a little hard to believe we can just fly around the galaxy, drink some juice with Aria and meet up with Anderson once that happens. What with the reapers being..., you know, kind of dangerous and probably looking to exterminate some humans and Shepard in particular. No way to know for sure though, we'll just have to see.

[JiGsAw2453]

Robhuzz wrote...

If the title 'arrival' honors it's name it means the reapers will be there at the end of the DLC. I find it a little hard to believe we can just fly around the galaxy, drink some juice with Aria and meet up with Anderson once that happens. What with the reapers being..., you know, kind of dangerous and probably looking to exterminate some humans and Shepard in particular. No way to know for sure though, we'll just have to see.

That makes sense, as I bet Mass Effect 3 will start a few years in the future, where the Reapers are already here. Although I really doubt that a DLC will be that much to do with the main story, as LoTSB was nothing to do with the main plot (Reapers).

I'm hoping that we will need the help of Liara to do Arrival, she has all the information now

But that will require people buying LoTSB first, which they probably won't do. I'm still hoping for some added diologue from Liara if the Reapers do "arrive", she better not just say "Thanks for coming bye!" <- I curse that sentence, almost as much as "Shepard, its good to see you again..." :L

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 21 mars 2011 - 08:59 .

[TMA LIVE]

I think Arrival will end with you just knowing the date of the Reapers "arriving". I doubt it'll end with them here, and you'll be still going against random mercs in ME3.

[JiGsAw2453]

I'm hoping for Collectors or some new "Reaper slaves" we can fight in ME3 The Harbinger is still alive, because he said that "releasing control" thing :L Does anyone else think that harbinger is a Reaper?, They are the only race we have discovered in Mass Effect that can control other minds

[Robhuzz]

 @TMA Live

We can only hope. After all, if the reapers are tearing up earth right at the start of ME3, it would leave a strange feeling if Shepard took a break from the main storyline to do some exploring on a random world.

Shepard: Drop us in the Mako
Garrus: Erm Shepard, not to put a downer on anything but..
Shepard: What is it Garrus?
Garrus: Well, aren't the reapers pretty much destroying your homeworld right now?
Shepard: Ahh well yeah but...
Garrus: But what...?
Shepard: But they probably won't destroy my entire race until I've reached the end of the main storyline, so no worries.

@Jigsaw

Yes, Harbinger is in fact the reaper you see at the end of the game. When the collector General is released you can see his/her/it's hologram and afterwards you see him/her/it moving towards the milky way galaxy with the rest of the reaper fleet.

And I kinda doubt there will be people that are going to play Arrival without ever having played Lotsb (of course there are always some ppl who somehow can't afford to buy the DLC) but the majority of the people waiting for arrival will probably have played Lotsb before

And I also hope we'll be able to go back to the shadow broker base on hagalaz just to talk to Liara (even if it's only 1 extra line of dialogue, it'll be worth it)

Modifié par Robhuzz, 21 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[JiGsAw2453]

Robhuzz wrote...

 @TMA Live

We can only hope. After all, if the reapers are tearing up earth right at the start of ME3, it would leave a strange feeling if Shepard took a break from the main storyline to do some exploring on a random world.

Shepard: Drop us in the Mako
Garrus: Erm Shepard, not to put a downer on anything but..
Shepard: What is it Garrus?
Garrus: Well, aren't the reapers pretty much destroying your homeworld right now?
Shepard: Ahh well yeah but...
Garrus: But what...?
Shepard: But they probably won't destroy my entire race until I've reached the end of the main storyline, so no worries.

@Jigsaw

Yes, Harbinger is in fact the reaper you see at the end of the game. When the collector General is released you can see his/her/it's hologram and afterwards you see him/her/it moving towards the milky way galaxy with the rest of the reaper fleet.

And I also hope we'll be able to go back to the shadow broker base on hagalaz just to talk to Liara (even if it's only 1 extra line of dialogue, it'll be worth it)

Sounds good Thank for the info...

Love the Speech between Garrus and Shepard you did :L

[Spectreshadow]

Ericzio wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I find it interesting that so many players that romance Liara do it with a FShep.

In my main playthrough, I did so with a MShep. And as some have mentioned, she's like his rock, his anchor of stability. Someone he can talk to without telling nice stories about how he's going to beat the collectors and the reapers, no problem.

Some for the voice of Meer, it's terrible to others around here. Some because the Liara lovers are mostly female, at least the un-silent ones are, see it like this you are a male so most likely you are going to play as a male, but that is not always the case. Also others find it a little strange how a man could love a woman if she has no penetrative area on their body. I officially use Mshep (not sheploo he's the worst) and Liara as a romance option, and I could care less that she has no "part" for a male, it's not about sex. 

Uh Asari have a birth canal.  The proof of this is the belly buttons they have.

[emmanuelsieyes]

Asari and their partners don't need penetrative sex to have a good time. The Asari can directly interface to the partner's nervous system. Therefore, Liara can just stimulate those nerve endings directly, in fact, sex with an Asari would probably be much better since the asari partner can get _all_ of the nerve endings at the same time.

tl;dr- the asari neuroelectronic mating process replaces mechanical sex.

[Fiery Phoenix]

TMA LIVE wrote...

(Doing Arrival before Shadow Broker)

Liara: They changed hands more then once. You remember Admiral Heckett? He -

Shepard: Yeah, I met him just recently.

Liara: Oh... Well, he... wanted me to give you those. He sends his best.

Shepard: Why not in person when I met him last week?

Liara: (shrugs).

If only it worked that way.

That's why I've often said it's best to do DLC in the order of release. Obviously that's how it's meant to be played, regardless of what marketing says.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 22 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[jamesp81]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

Asari and their partners don't need penetrative sex to have a good time. The Asari can directly interface to the partner's nervous system. Therefore, Liara can just stimulate those nerve endings directly, in fact, sex with an Asari would probably be much better since the asari partner can get _all_ of the nerve endings at the same time.

tl;dr- the asari neuroelectronic mating process replaces mechanical sex.

Very true.  On the other hand, in sex scene in ME1, they seemed to get pretty physical and most Asari seem to appreciate the physical side of a relationship.  I'm guessing they're taking a "get both" approach to the whole matter to get the full experience, as it were.

[JiGsAw2453]

jamesp81 wrote...

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

Asari and their partners don't need penetrative sex to have a good time. The Asari can directly interface to the partner's nervous system. Therefore, Liara can just stimulate those nerve endings directly, in fact, sex with an Asari would probably be much better since the asari partner can get _all_ of the nerve endings at the same time.

tl;dr- the asari neuroelectronic mating process replaces mechanical sex.

Very true.  On the other hand, in sex scene in ME1, they seemed to get pretty physical and most Asari seem to appreciate the physical side of a relationship.  I'm guessing they're taking a "get both" approach to the whole matter to get the full experience, as it were.

I think the ME1 love scene was just BioWare being lazy, becuase Ashley and Liaras sex scenes are exactly the same, minus Liara's black eye thing...

[TheMarshal]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

I think the ME1 love scene was just BioWare being lazy, becuase Ashley and Liaras sex scenes are exactly the same, minus Liara's black eye thing...

You might wanna check those again.  Both Ash and Liara's scenes have the "crawling up" animation, but Liara not only has the embrace-eternity bit, but a significantly extended sequence shrouded in pink mist, which I believe is used to signify the melding.

[pacer90]

Long time no see Liara thread. A few of the regulars seem to be absent tho.

Anyway, I'm in the middle of sorting out some housing issues, namely moving downtown closer to university. Between residence, town housing, apartments and roommates it got me thinking...

We saw Liara's apartment in LotSB, that even as a successful information broker was still fairly sparse and not very large. I wonder what she was like as a student, and what her living arrangements were. I can't imagine her in a packed residence with tons of party-ers going wild every weekend, then again I can't see her dealing with room mates either! That's certainly a delicate social balancing act as I'm learning >< I doubt she could deal with that.

I'm guessing a tiny 1 person squat, barely enough to fit in an office desk and kitchenette, much like my first apartment. No decorations, but kept impeccably clean.

What do you guys think? What's a living arrangement that fits her?

[TheMarshal]

pacer90 wrote...

What do you guys think? What's a living arrangement that fits her?

Funny, I wouldn't have considered her Illium apartment to be anything other than grand.  A two-story loft (probably looking at ~800 sq ft) with floor-to-ceiling windows spanning BOTH floors giving an incredible view of the city, and a 500+ gallon aquarium over a very generous bed.  An apartment like that in a comparable city - say, San Francisco or New York - might run in the $2800/month range, easily.

She may not be big on the furnishings (unsurprising), but she's got the things which are important to her.  A large painting of Ilos, several very large, very expensive Prothean artifacts, Shepard's N7 armor...  Each piece is a testament to both her sense of style and her character.

As for pre-Illium, say during her university days, I would venture a guess and say that her mother would have been able to afford to pay for a one-bedroom apartment just for her, which she would have begrudgingly accepted (probably because she wouldn't have wanted to live with roommates).  It's doubtful that she spent any time in the apartment, likely spending more nights than not sleeping in the library or wherever else her head fell while she was studying.

[pacer90]

Hmmm I suppose it would be quite expensive, but I guess I was always under the impression that successful information brokers were hyper-rich. Like MTV cribs "I have a guest house for my dog's friends" rich. Thinking back I might have been basing that on Barla Von/Shadow Broker, which would not apply to Liara at all.

However there is serious potential for a one-shot fanfic with Liara's university house-hunting dilemas... and run in's with landlords and such.

[emmanuelsieyes]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

Asari and their partners don't need penetrative sex to have a good time. The Asari can directly interface to the partner's nervous system. Therefore, Liara can just stimulate those nerve endings directly, in fact, sex with an Asari would probably be much better since the asari partner can get _all_ of the nerve endings at the same time.

tl;dr- the asari neuroelectronic mating process replaces mechanical sex.

Very true.  On the other hand, in sex scene in ME1, they seemed to get pretty physical and most Asari seem to appreciate the physical side of a relationship.  I'm guessing they're taking a "get both" approach to the whole matter to get the full experience, as it were.

I think the ME1 love scene was just BioWare being lazy, becuase Ashley and Liaras sex scenes are exactly the same, minus Liara's black eye thing...

The physical stuff was likely to get shepard in the mood. I am thinking that Liara wanted to get Shepard prepared for the actual melding process.

The analogy I am thinking of is starting a manual-transmission car from a dead stop--you have to have the engine at power before releasing the clutch.

In the LoTSB sex scene, Shepard grabs what can only be the 'azure'. So the Asari have some erogenous zones too. I'm thinking that the idea is to have both partners aroused before breaking out the neural interfaces. Consider that Liara has done non-intimate melding before -- after feros/virmire and she didn't even have to touch shepard. I think that there is a resonant effect at play here--if one partner is aroused, the other feels that arousal, and it increases from there.

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 23 mars 2011 - 12:48 .