Fiddles_stix wrote...
REMspace wrote...
Hi guys!I'm new here and made a music video dedicated to Liara for my Youtube channel. I'd like to share with you my new video...
This is my video:
Mass Effect 2 Music Video - Tribute to Liara
Hope you like it!
Nice vid thanks for sharing
P.S. I gave it a thumbs up
Fiddles_stix wrote...
This has probably been asked many times before but, what do you see as the key to their relationship (friend or romantic). Is there a defining moment? Or is it a series of incidents or fate?
I think it's a gradual thing built by Shepard's actions. Admitedly the important factor could be the prothean affiliation but I'd like to think that's a bit of fate.
Modifié par centauri2002, 29 mars 2011 - 10:02 .
REMspace wrote...
Thanks a lot!
I'm really glad you like my video...
Modifié par centauri2002, 29 mars 2011 - 10:04 .
centauri2002 wrote...
REMspace wrote...
Thanks a lot!
I'm really glad you like my video...
I tried to load it up but my netbook's being temperamental at the moment. I shall take a look when I get back to my own place and to my PC. :3
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centauri2002 wrote...
Fiddles_stix wrote...
This has probably been asked many times before but, what do you see as the key to their relationship (friend or romantic). Is there a defining moment? Or is it a series of incidents or fate?
I think it's a gradual thing built by Shepard's actions. Admitedly the important factor could be the prothean affiliation but I'd like to think that's a bit of fate.
Good question. The romantic in me wants to say it's fate, but since it's only a game and you can choose to romance her or not, my inner realist is vying for attention. I felt the initial Mass Effect romance was a little rushed. There were only a couple of conversations and then she mentioned the attraction. This I'll put down to the limitations of the game though.
From a story perspective, I'd probably have to say the key to Liara's fascination is Shepard's strong will. She seems to comment on that a couple of times. As to their actual relationship, I think that one is based on understanding. Whether they're romantically involved or not, Liara offers Shepard empathy and understanding. She's also incredibly devoted. It's hard to say what Shepard brings to the relationship since she can be so different in different play throughs. For my paragon, she reciprocates Liara's patience and understanding so they have a common bond there. But she also embodies a sense of danger and unpredictability that Liara seems to look for on a subconscious level.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Haha, quash your inner realist.
I think you hit the nail on the head with "Liara offers Shepard empathy and understanding."
Being asked for an opinion by an NPC let alone a LI caused me to really think about how Shepard might feel in that moment.
Do you have any examples of Shepard's strong will? I'm just struggling to think of some in relation to direct dialogue.
Modifié par centauri2002, 29 mars 2011 - 10:25 .
.[/quote] I'll post it up in a couple of days ... If I'm finished
Holds off entire Alien force alone until reinforcements arrive. C) Pushes so hard that most of the team sent on Torfan ends up dead, just to succeed.
Khaos2000 wrote...
Strong willed? Shephard either A) Survives Thresher Maw attack, on foot.
Every single Shephard in existence is one mean mother in the willpower department. Let alone surviving a damaged Prothean Beacon, being able to take the Prothean Cypher, never ONCE getting touched by indoctrination no matter how much time spent near Reaper artifacts. Etc, etc.
Then there is Liara saying that Shephard is hard to mind meld with and Shephard's mind is inherently resistant to intrusion. So, yep, tough and strong willed.
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Modifié par Fiddles_stix, 29 mars 2011 - 11:13 .
Khaos2000 wrote...
Well that's going to be up to personal interpretation. For me it was Liara looking past the 'soldier' to try and figure out the person underneath. The interest in what made Shephard, Shephard. Neither Ash nor Kaiden did that really they just sort of rattled on about themselves. Liara was always wanting to make sure that Shephard was good with things. Let alone both of them being gorgeous (Generally speaking) I can see physical attraction there which gets the chemistry flowing to begin with.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
@ centauri - For a scene that's a minute long. It says so much about Shepard and the mission. A quiet moment of contemplation before going into a completely unknown situation. Says volumes about the stress involved.
@ Khaos - I was foolishly assuming a lot of your evidence, with Shep being a marine.
You've both reminded me how long it's been since I play ME. Dammit I'm going to spite my student's essays and start a new ME playthrough. If they don't like it well I'll think of something.
Modifié par centauri2002, 29 mars 2011 - 11:12 .
Fiddles_stix wrote...
This has probably been asked many times before but, what do you see as the key to their relationship (friend or romantic). Is there a defining moment? Or is it a series of incidents or fate?
I think it's a gradual thing built by Shepard's actions. Admitedly the important factor could be the prothean affiliation but I'd like to think that's a bit of fate.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
This has probably been asked many times before but, what do you see as the key to their relationship (friend or romantic). Is there a defining moment? Or is it a series of incidents or fate?
I think it's a gradual thing built by Shepard's actions. Admitedly the important factor could be the prothean affiliation but I'd like to think that's a bit of fate.
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Modifié par Fiddles_stix, 29 mars 2011 - 11:47 .
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Hmm in re-thinking it Liara is extremely independent and a tough chick. She's almost completly self reliant but when she first meets Shepard she's in quite a predicament. She has to ask for help. Maybe the first step in getting her to open up maybe? Could also explain some of the LotSB tension over terminal hacking.
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Absolutely. They don't seem like a couple that would keep track of rights and wrongs (other than when Liara calls Shepard on cheating, which is totally understandable). I liked some of the teasing dialogue in ME. Perhaps played up a bit too much of Liara's naivety though.centauri2002 wrote...
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Hmm in re-thinking it Liara is extremely independent and a tough chick. She's almost completly self reliant but when she first meets Shepard she's in quite a predicament. She has to ask for help. Maybe the first step in getting her to open up maybe? Could also explain some of the LotSB tension over terminal hacking.
I'd tend to agree. Just because she's a little on the innocent side doesn't mean she can't be tough or independent. Look at how much she accomplishes with little to no help in between Shepard's death and Mass Effect 2. In only two years she's one of the highest respected information brokers on Ilium. I have no doubt, also, that she would have located the Shadow Broker had she not been handed the information, it just might have taken her a bit longer.
Shepard and Liara do tend to have a bit of an exchange of dependency though. I think Shepard looks to Liara for her emotional needs - i.e, the empathy I mentioned before, and Liara looks to Shepard for the acceptance she didn't seem to get earlier in life. They also don't seem to have a problem relying on one another for help with their own personal goals too. It's not tallied and help is given willingly.
All in all, it makes for a very touching relationship. :3
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Absolutely. They don't seem like a couple that would keep track of rights and wrongs (other than when Liara calls Shepard on cheating, which is totally understandable). I liked some of the teasing dialogue in ME. Perhaps played up a bit too much of Liara's naivety though.
Would you say that irregardless of romance that Shep and Liara need each other?
Modifié par centauri2002, 29 mars 2011 - 12:17 .
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centauri2002 wrote...
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Absolutely. They don't seem like a couple that would keep track of rights and wrongs (other than when Liara calls Shepard on cheating, which is totally understandable). I liked some of the teasing dialogue in ME. Perhaps played up a bit too much of Liara's naivety though.
Would you say that irregardless of romance that Shep and Liara need each other?
I would, yes. That's one of the beauties of their relationship. Whether they're romantically involved or not, I don't think it would change the way they treat each other all that much. Liara would still play the emotional support role, and Shepard would still be her source of acceptance. And, above all, Liara would still be devoted. It's basically a love story without any physical intimacy.
Edited to say: I think this is helped by the fact that the asari aren't an inately physical species like humans are. Although, I think that may be just the way I see them. >.>
Modifié par Fiddles_stix, 29 mars 2011 - 12:30 .
Fiddles_stix wrote...
That's very interesting. I'd like to hear your interpretation of the asari.
Modifié par centauri2002, 29 mars 2011 - 12:44 .
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centauri2002 wrote...
Fiddles_stix wrote...
That's very interesting. I'd like to hear your interpretation of the asari.
Lets keep in mind the fact that the asari were created as the blue babe totty for Mass Effect and that we're not given much information on them, so any interpretation I have on them is taking what little facts there are and seriously running with them. Okay, disclaimer is out of the way, so now I can introduce you to where my imagination takes the asari.
Since their mating ritual does not require physical contact, I'm going to jump to the conclusion that they would not gain as much pleasure out of physical interaction as humans do. I would think their source of pleasure comes from the bonding itself, which links them on more than just a physical level. That is not to say that asari gain no pleasure from physical contact, because it's clear from the scenes we see in the game that they do (i.e, the scene at the end of LotSB).
Anyway, mention of spirituality comes up occasionally when Liara talks about the asari. For example, she talks about the bonding on a physical, mental and spiritual level and she also mentions, at one point, the asari belief in reincarnation. Of course, I'm leaping to a lot of conclusions but BioWare haven't given us that much to go on so I don't have much of a choice. >.>
I could ramble on a lot more about how asari society mirrors Greek polities and about their matriarchal hierarchy but I don't want to send anyone to sleep. I think I've explained what I mean by the asari not being inately physical though. Hopefully.
Edit: Arrival is up!? Oh, heck, I need to get back to my apartment and download it! *rushes off*
Arrival was pretty good, sadly no new Shadow Broker stuff that I've been able to find
! Can't play it till 9pm though (it is currently 4pm here) :'( I can't wait :L
centauri2002 wrote...
Lets keep in mind the fact that the asari were created as the blue babe totty for Mass Effect and that we're not given much information on them, so any interpretation I have on them is taking what little facts there are and seriously running with them.
TMA LIVE wrote...
Looks like Shepard might be breaking his promise about always coming back.
Modifié par jlb524, 29 mars 2011 - 03:23 .
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