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LiquidGrape wrote...

On the subject of Liara and Benezia, was anyone else disappointed that there was no consequence to finishing Noveria before recruiting Liara? I mean, Ashley does address the issue, something along the lines of "harsh, learning we killed her mother". But neither Liara nor Shepard makes a point of mentioning it...

I never experienced that, nor do I ever want to experience that. Liara doesn't have much content compare to the other ME1 LI's to begin with, so recruiting Liara after Noveria and gaining nothing is one of the worst things you could get. It means you literally had content cut out.

I think she should/would question Shepard about what happened with her mother. Was she a traitor? What did she say? Did you really have no choice? Why did you kill her? Maybe have some hate for Shepard, since she has to take his/her word for everything.

Użytkownik TMA LIVE edytował ten post 08 grudzień 2010 - 03:45

[jlb524]

Thanks Sunnie! That's a great vid! Very emotional. I like how you showed the entire cabin scene before kicking off with the music and the editing of clips from other parts of the DLC.

[Sunnie]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I always do Therum > Feros > Novaria > Virmire.

I also bring Liara with me to Novaria and in my main Shepard pt, she was the one who gave the final hit to her mother

I think what Sunnie said is true, Liara has been through a lot, we still don't know everything that happen in those two years, but it shows that Liara has a very strong will, and what ever her reasons where if it was for Shepard, Feron, the galaxy ect it gave her purpose and a strong will to do what she did.

Indeed, there was quite a bit of hardship that Liara had to go through outside of the game medium, which covered some of teh details of what she went through to recover the Commanders body. Theres a lot here that has huge personal impact for Liara, whether romanced or not.

[kraidy1117]

A very good video Sunnie. You picked a lot of good clips and I like how you used the cabin scene as your opener with no music added, probably one of the best moments in the series so far.

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Valagil wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What kind of consequences do you think there should be?

Well, if only Shepard expressed some tangible sense of guilt for it. I do think it would've been interesting if the Liara romance had been allowed two possible directions. One in which you bring Liara to confront her mother, thus bringing her a certain degree of closure, and one in which Shepard must struggle (or not, if you're renegade) with the knowledge that he or she killed the parent of his or her lover.

I see where you are going with. Then again, I never felt Liara ever really had a sense of closure in the game. I always felt Benezia's death was glossed over, regardless of when it took place and who accompanied Shepard on the mission. I would have loved to see more dialog between Liara and Shepard regarding Be****a's death.

I also wish there was more dialogue on Liara's relationship with her mother. Was she always around? Was she over protective or strick? Did they have a fight, and that was why they didn't talk for many years? Was there any happy memories worth sharing besides her being kind and beautiful?

[kraidy1117]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Indeed, there was quite a bit of hardship that Liara had to go through outside of the game medium, which covered some of teh details of what she went through to recover the Commanders body. Theres a lot here that has huge personal impact for Liara, whether romanced or not.

Plus during the break in the base, Liara makes a comment. "I never broke into the Shadow broker base before Shepard, well not this one anyways." while this is ment to be humor it also shows that for two years Liara has not always been in her office, she has been out in the field putting her self in danger to get information, strike back at the SB and ultimaly to avange to Feron(who she thinks is dead) and Shepard.

I wish I had a friend or gf like liara XD, the amount of loyalty Liara has showen to people she likes is incredible.

Użytkownik kraidy1117 edytował ten post 08 grudzień 2010 - 03:36

[jlb524]

Sunnie22 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I always do Therum > Feros > Novaria > Virmire.

I also bring Liara with me to Novaria and in my main Shepard pt, she was the one who gave the final hit to her mother

I think what Sunnie said is true, Liara has been through a lot, we still don't know everything that happen in those two years, but it shows that Liara has a very strong will, and what ever her reasons where if it was for Shepard, Feron, the galaxy ect it gave her purpose and a strong will to do what she did.

Indeed, there was quite a bit of hardship that Liara had to go through outside of the game medium, which covered some of teh details of what she went through to recover the Commanders body. Theres a lot here that has huge personal impact for Liara, whether romanced or not.

Yes.  Liara gave up her own career and lifelong dreams to ensure that Shepard's body was at least safe from the Shadow Broker and the Collectors.  She initially just wanted a proper and respectful burial, but then decided to go along with Cerberus' plans for Shepard.   I don't think this necesarrily stems from a selfish desire to get Shepard back for herself, but to get Shepard back for everyone.  I feel, due to melding with Shepard and seeing the Prothean beacon visions for herself plus knowing how great of a leader and how competent the Commander is on the battlefield, she knows that Shepard is probably the last hope for the galaxy. 

[kraidy1117]

I love it that Liara at last ask Shepard how she truly feels, no mission bs, no moral boosters, what she truly feels. It's something I have wanted for a long time and it was very fitting for Liara to ask it. Some of you know my theory on why I think Liara and Shepard are very close regardless of romance or not.

[pacer90]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I love it that Liara at last ask Shepard how she truly feels, no mission bs, no moral boosters, what she truly feels. It's something I have wanted for a long time and it was very fitting for Liara to ask it. Some of you know my theory on why I think Liara and Shepard are very close regardless of romance or not.

I was waiting for 2 games for someone to ask my shepard that. Oh yeah shep will do all of your loyalty missions, get all your minds right...

But NO ONE wanted to ask how shepard felt. Even if LotSB was terrible, it would be at least slightly redeemed by that.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...


I think she should/would question Shepard about what happened with her mother. Was she a traitor? What did
she say? Did you really have no choice? Why did you kill her? Maybe have some hate for Shepard, since she has to take his/her word for
everything.

I agree, especially given Liara's inquisitive/scientific mind.  She should have drilled Shepard on this stuff.

kraidy1117 wrote...

I love it that Liara at last ask Shepard how she truly feels, no mission bs, no moral boosters, what she truly feels. It's something I have wanted for a long time and it was very fitting for Liara to ask it. Some of you know my theory on why I think Liara and Shepard are very close regardless of romance or not.

Well, explain that theory

Użytkownik jlb524 edytował ten post 08 grudzień 2010 - 03:42

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jlb524 wrote...

The question is, how will the varying Shepard/Liara dialog options found in LotSB affect Shepard's relationship (friendship or romance) in ME3?  What will happen for those that didn't play/complete LotSB?

My guess is that, if you never downloaded LOTSB, the relationship is still up in the air, and you're need to reconfirm your romance with Liara in ME3. Same if you decided to be friends in ME1 and LOTSB, but now have second thoughts. However, for those that did play the DLC, the romance is very confirmed, so I imagine they'll be talking about "the future of the relationship" more then "start/restarting the relationship".

[rma2110]

Am I the only one who thinks that Matriarch Aethyta may just be Liara's father? Aethyta says she fathered a pureblood daughter, but her relationship with the mother didn't work out. Aethyta lost track of her daughter. That made me go hmm....



She is also important enough that the Shadow Broker has files on her. Check then out. If Shep gets drunk we also see a younger Alethya with pink facial markings and lipstick..

[Sunnie]

pacer90 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I love it that Liara at last ask Shepard how she truly feels, no mission bs, no moral boosters, what she truly feels. It's something I have wanted for a long time and it was very fitting for Liara to ask it. Some of you know my theory on why I think Liara and Shepard are very close regardless of romance or not.

I was waiting for 2 games for someone to ask my shepard that. Oh yeah shep will do all of your loyalty missions, get all your minds right...

But NO ONE wanted to ask how shepard felt. Even if LotSB was terrible, it would be at least slightly redeemed by that.

Yes, prior to that, it was really only Kelly on the Normandy who cared about how Shepard was feeeling, and Wrex on Tuchanka that greeted Shepard warmly, even giving her a hug! Everyone else had tunnel vision.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The question is, how will the varying Shepard/Liara dialog options found in LotSB affect Shepard's relationship (friendship or romance) in ME3?  What will happen for those that didn't play/complete LotSB?

My guess is that, if you never downloaded LOTSB, the relationship is still up in the air, and you're need to reconfirm your romance with Liara in ME3. Same if you decided to be friends in ME1 and LOTSB, but now have second thoughts. However, for those that did play the DLC, the romance is very confirmed, so I imagine they'll be talking about "the future of the relationship" more then "start/restarting the relationship".

That is probably how they will proceed.  It will be the easiest from a coding standpoint.

[Sunnie]

rma2110 wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that Matriarch Aethyta may just be Liara's father? Aethyta says she fathered a pureblood daughter, but her relationship with the mother didn't work out. Aethyta lost track of her daughter. That made me go hmm....

She is also important enough that the Shadow Broker has files on her. Check then out. If Shep gets drunk we also see a younger Alethya with pink facial markings and lipstick..

A lot of us believe that Aethyta is Liaras father, due much to the Shadow Broker survielance video showing Aethyta looking at a picture of Liara.

[kraidy1117]

Ok, my theory is this. Liara and Shepard are close, more close then any of the other characters, the reason why I think this is, is because a bond might have been formed between Liara and Shepard. Even if you don't romance Liara, Liara and Shepard did meld to track down Illos, it's possible this created a powerful bond, I am not saying this is the reason why they are friends or lovers, I am saying this might be why friendship or romance grew faster then normal.



Of course this is a theory, it might not be true, and I have been wrong before, but it's my feeling

[jlb524]

rma2110 wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that Matriarch Aethyta may just be Liara's father? Aethyta says she fathered a pureblood daughter, but her relationship with the mother didn't work out. Aethyta lost track of her daughter. That made me go hmm....

She is also important enough that the Shadow Broker has files on her. Check then out. If Shep gets drunk we also see a younger Alethya with pink facial markings and lipstick..

I think it's been practically confirmed that Aethyta is Liara's other parent, from the vids found on the Shadow Broker base. 

[kraidy1117]

rma2110 wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that Matriarch Aethyta may just be Liara's father? Aethyta says she fathered a pureblood daughter, but her relationship with the mother didn't work out. Aethyta lost track of her daughter. That made me go hmm....

She is also important enough that the Shadow Broker has files on her. Check then out. If Shep gets drunk we also see a younger Alethya with pink facial markings and lipstick..

I beleive she is Liara's "father"

Of coruse the video is not much proof, she could just be a creeper, but evidence does point to her being Liara's "father"

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kraidy1117 wrote...

I love it that Liara at last ask Shepard how she truly feels, no mission bs, no moral boosters, what she truly feels. It's something I have wanted for a long time and it was very fitting for Liara to ask it. Some of you know my theory on why I think Liara and Shepard are very close regardless of romance or not.

It's become a character trait now, since she asks the same question if you're just friends in ME1. I kind of wish you got that when you romanced her. She spends most of her dialogue talking about you, or ask you questions more then her discussing her own past. Maybe because she's more of a listening then a talker.

[JaylaClark]

kraidy1117 wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that Matriarch Aethyta may just be Liara's father? Aethyta says she fathered a pureblood daughter, but her relationship with the mother didn't work out. Aethyta lost track of her daughter. That made me go hmm....

She is also important enough that the Shadow Broker has files on her. Check then out. If Shep gets drunk we also see a younger Alethya with pink facial markings and lipstick..

I beleive she is Liara's "father"

Of coruse the video is not much proof, she could just be a creeper, but evidence does point to her being Liara's "father"

I tend to buy Aethyta as Liara's 'father' as well.  Though a few have proposed Aria... which would be an interesting twist.  But I don't think either of them would be a bad discovery in the third game.  Whether Liara wants to discover the truth about her father is another story of course.

[jlb524]

I would say Liara's a better listener, as opposed to one that's better at discussing themselves. I also feel that Liara's a private person at heart, at won't offer details about herself unless you ask.

[jlb524]

JaylaClark wrote...

I tend to buy Aethyta as Liara's 'father' as well.  Though a few have proposed Aria... which would be an interesting twist.  But I don't think either of them would be a bad discovery in the third game.  Whether Liara wants to discover the truth about her father is another story of course.

Well, I used to 'forcibly' push the idea that Aria is Liara's 'father', but I gave up after LotSB.  I think BW is telling us that it's Aethyta and I no longer feel that it could be Aria.

I think Liara should know, given that she gathered those videos for Shepard to watch (I would think).  Liara might not be willing or able to act on such a personal matter at the moment, given her duties with the Shadow Broker base.  I do hope for an ME3 reunion, however.

[Skyline_Stanza]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I love it that Liara at last ask Shepard how she truly feels, no mission bs, no moral boosters, what she truly feels.

I'd imagine my femShep, Cam, to get a little teary-eyed at this moment. The way it's set up in my headcanon, she's a very empathic person, but the general coldness of the galaxy, along with her dwindling humanity and lack of ability to emote to very many people, sort of hardened her.
 
Liara's vendetta against the SB in the bare-bones ME2 plot did not help her mood at all, but as the journey wears on, and Cam finally has a chance to chat and speak with Liara again during LotSB, she finds that spark again, that connection with the one thing in the whole galaxy that makes her feel human again. 

Ack! Look at me, rambling about Cam when I should be going on and on about Liara. Liara's questioning of my Shep, of how she's really doing, would move her to just...hug Liara and start crying. After a few tender moments, she'd reply with the 'I'm frustrated' option followed by the 'fighting for everyone' option, because that suits her the best. 

Liara's one of the things that keeps my Femshep going. 

As to her future as a character in ME3? I have to agree with the theory that something Prothean related is going to pop up in the future, something Shep and Liara have to deal with because of thier expertise with the extinct species.  

I really love where Liara's character has gone in these past two games. If someone were to tell me Liara's personality in ME2 and I only had knowledge of ME, I would be blown away. Kudos a thousand times to her writers.

[jlb524]

Skyline_Stanza wrote...
 
Liara's vendetta against the SB in the bare-bones ME2 plot did not help her mood at all, but as the journey wears on, and Cam finally has a chance to chat and speak with Liara again during LotSB, she finds that spark again, that connection with the one thing in the whole galaxy that makes her feel human again. 

I've gotten into disagreements on how much this 'vendetta' against the Shadow Broker still motivated Liara in LotSB.  I wonder what others opinions on this are?

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

Liara's one of the things that keeps my Femshep going. 

Same with my Shepards

Skyline_Stanza wrote...

I really love where Liara's character has gone in these past two games. If someone were to tell me Liara's personality in ME2 and I only had knowledge of ME, I would be blown away. Kudos a thousand times to her writers.

I agree 100%

Not that I dislike what they did with Liara in ME1 (I do like it), but they have taken her in an interesting direction and given the character some more dev.  One thing I think ME1 lacked, mostly due to the restrictions on having Liara possibly a late recruit.  I still wished that Liara would have been a Citadel recruit (like most others) so they would have had more freedom with her character in ME1.