centauri2002 wrote...
JiGsAw2453 wrote...
@Centauri... Is mine in your top 3? ;P
That goes without saying doesn't it?
I agree that the relationship between Liara and FemShep is more connected then normal lesbien relationships because Shep and Liara can have "Full" intercourse because Asari just connect nervous systems e.g. They don't need their partners to have a certain organ ;L
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centauri2002 wrote...
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Jennifer Hale is definitely the better VO in my opinion. Meer for some reason sounds like he has a cold and seems not really into it at times. Although I thought Meer was better in ME1 and Hale better in ME2.
Hmm I've been told that a major benefit of lesbian relationships is the freedom to be more emotionally honest. Do you think bioware pulls that off?
Although I guess technically Liara is monogendered (whatever that means - gender is premised on a binary hence is a misnomer but I'll stop now or else the rant will get out of control)
Emotionally honest... they can be, yes. But it really depends on the women involved. I think that's true for Liara and Shepard. They seem to be able to open up to one another, even if it takes a bit of nudging sometimes.
Monogendered I take in a very literal meaning of the word, meaning only one gender. And that would be female.The argument about it not being a lesbian relationship is perfectly fine within the shell of the game world but I'm talking about the way I, as a player, view it. I can only go on my own experiences and views of the world in order to understand it.
Of course, I'm probably more into the pairing because it's actually an example of a female/female relationship depicted in a touching way and not done merely for titilation. It's also treated in the same way as the male/female relationships, which is another bonus. :3
JiGsAw2453 wrote...
Thanks
I also think that Hale is the better VA
Hey! I never said it was more connected than normal lesbian relationship.
Two people can connect on an emotional and spiritual level as well. The asari just do that in a very literal way.
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centauri2002 wrote...
JiGsAw2453 wrote...
Thanks
I also think that Hale is the better VA
Hey! I never said it was more connected than normal lesbian relationship.
Two people can connect on an emotional and spiritual level as well. The asari just do that in a very literal way.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Sorry for the nit picking with monogendered just a pet peeve and besides I guess they could argue it's based on the latin genus a la kind so yep I can admit to stupidity
Many many pages ago you mentioned the similarities between Ancient Greek and Asari culture, care to elaborate some more?
Modifié par centauri2002, 31 mars 2011 - 11:32 .
JiGsAw2453 wrote...
I know they can
I'm just saying that a female can have the same Pleasures as a Male with an Asari
Also a female can have a child of their own with an Asari so it has to feel like they are more connected to each other ;P
Modifié par centauri2002, 31 mars 2011 - 11:35 .
centauri2002 wrote...
JiGsAw2453 wrote...
I know they can
I'm just saying that a female can have the same Pleasures as a Male with an Asari
Also a female can have a child of their own with an Asari so it has to feel like they are more connected to each other ;P
Okay, you got me there. There's probably no greater connection than creating a life together. So, yes, a female/asari relationship can probably be a more emotionally and spiritually connected experience than any human relationship. Hypothetically speaking, that is. >.>
Edited to say: I'd just like to point out that it isn't the joining that makes Shepard/Liara so special though. They shared a connection before they even went that far. :3
Robhuzz wrote...
Shepard and Liara pretty much shared a connection from the moment they first met. But it did grow a lot stronger with their union. And then it grew stronger still after all they went through in ME2. And now they pretty much ended up with a connection that's impossible to break, no matter what may happen next.
centauri2002 wrote...
Robhuzz wrote...
Shepard and Liara pretty much shared a connection from the moment they first met. But it did grow a lot stronger with their union. And then it grew stronger still after all they went through in ME2. And now they pretty much ended up with a connection that's impossible to break, no matter what may happen next.
I completely agree. Although I'm sure events will conspire against them in ME3 but they'll get through it together.
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I regret nothing!centauri2002 wrote...
You're going to get me started on an Ancient Greece rant. You might regret this. >.>
I'd say the classical period of Greece probably suits the asari best, though I'm fairly sure I can argue for the archaic period too. Comparatively the Greeks were a patriarchal society whereas the asari are a matriarchal society. That difference is only on a technical level though and it roughly amounts to the same effect on their societal structure.
Firstly, the asari tend to extend their cultural influence through domination over other cultures. This is exactly how the Greeks (I'm using this as a somewhat loose term since there were different dominant polities but they were considered culturally similar) spread their culture as well. The Greeks would colonise distant islands and lands, bringing the native state into the Greek world and imparting their supposed intellectual and cultural superiority on that people. Of course, this was a two-way street but the influence was in the Greeks' favour.
The asari are also very community-focused and tend to live as a group rather than individually. I think this is touched on more in the novels. This is similar to Greek beliefs. We can also see hints of Greek democracy in the way asari society operates. The strength of their economy and the dominance in trade also mirrors that of the classical Greek period.
The most striking similarity, however, is how closely asari communities on Thessia resemble the Greek polity (or city-state). Each city governs the land around it and is an individual within a greater cultural identity. They traded and communicated with one another but the asari, apparently, didn't have as many conflicts as the Greeks.
Religion, however, seems completely different but I wouldn't want them being carbon copies of Greek culture.
There's probably a lot more but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. If there were more details on asari culture, I could probably talk about specifics too, instead of the broad view I've given above.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
I regret nothing!
You'd also argue for the archaic period, are we talking Minoa and Mycenea? I certainly agree on the affects of hellenism, it'd be nice to have more specifics so a genuine comparison could be done between Greek and Asari culture. It seems unusual for the Asari to have expanded so widely though, given Greece hit significant roadblocks because of it's loose but strong affiliation based government.
Given how the censors responded to the first game it's not surprising Dionysic traditions aren't mentioned. Thoughts though on the 3 stages of an Asari life? And what will Liara be like when she becomes a matriarch?
@Rob - I agree, Shepard and Liara are solid no matter what
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Any rituals in particular? And do you work those elements into your fanfic? Damn my Greek history is terriblecentauri2002 wrote...
I wouldn't really draw a comparison between the Hellenistic period and asari culture. I think the inspiration comes more from the classical period. The Archaic Greek period includes anything in that area between the 9th and 6th century BCE. Mycenean Greece came a few centuries before then.
Yes, I wouldn't mind taking a more in-depth look at the two. I'd like to be able to look at their customs, for example. Rituals, in particular, fascinate me. I don't think BioWare really put that much thought into it though. Limits on their expansion probably never even came up during brainstorming sessions. I think it's likely the asari would have hit some obstacles at some point when they came across another dominant culture. Diplomacy can't win the day forever.
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Fiddles_stix wrote...
Any rituals in particular? And do you work those elements into your fanfic? Damn my Greek history it terrible
I suppose the Asari did reach the Citadel first, so they would have had access to reaper technology first in their cycle, which would give them a major advantage over the Turians and Salarians.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
This minor text is just something I started writing on. It had not been planned or anything, I just started writing roughly under an hour ago. I have not checked for gramma mistakes and I apologies for it.
I know it is a maleshep/Liara fic but please be kind and give it a shot!
Also remember to leave comments.
*cut
Really liked it. Little slow to start with, you can trim it with focus on Shepard instead of surroundings. Also if you keep writing you can use cold as a metaphor for the nature of space but don't feel that you have to. Looking forward to your next piece.
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I'm wondering the significance of the Asari burial robe now...hmmmcentauri2002 wrote...
Burial rituals really get my interest. This is mostly because every culture has them and the importance of ancestor worship and death rituals are prolific throughout most of human history. I don't see that being different in other species. I'm curious as to what asari burial rituals would be like now. I know they're very spiritually minded when it comes to death so that's going to have a lot of sway over their modern ceremonies. Their older religion may be different though.
Will I put any of this kind of thing in my fan fiction? Hmm, I'm not sure. I have no call for it yet but it might crop up. If it doesn't stick out too much amongst Mass Effect canon then I might.
Even with the relays, the asari have never been an all-out war kind of race. They specialise in guerilla warfare when the need arises. I think they'd be in trouble if they had to go up against an entire army.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
I'm wondering the significance of the Asari burial robe now...hmmm
Don't change your writing for me, I just like those kind of little details that are like easter eggs when you find them.
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centauri2002 wrote...
I don't plan my fan fictions out so I hadn't really thought about whether to put something like that in it. Your suggestion has made me think maybe I should flesh out some of the cultural elements a bit. It'll probably only be a throw away line here or there and no deep exploration as I'm not intending to write more than three chapters but I think it'll be worthwhile exploring it nonetheless.
The burial ritual topic is actually rather fitting considering what my story is essentially about.
Fiddles_stix wrote...
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Hints c'mon! Don't stop there
Fiddles_stix wrote...
@Lizard - Trimming in terms of shortening the content of the sentences not removing them entirely. But I'm desensitised I read fiction and nonfiction all day so I often just want the plot to start straight away, no offense intended
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Only the start, as soon as you got going it flowed quite nicely. It's largely a matter of taste, I read a huge amount of material that starts by spending a chapter on setting the scene but something that immediately grabs my attention I'll stick with no matter what. But pacing is incredibly difficult and what you have doesn't need drastic changes at all just tweaks but like I said I liked it, I could tell you cared about the story and for me that means a lot.Lizardviking wrote...
Fiddles_stix wrote...
@Lizard - Trimming in terms of shortening the content of the sentences not removing them entirely. But I'm desensitised I read fiction and nonfiction all day so I often just want the plot to start straight away, no offense intended
Ah. I took too much time filling it up and as a result slowed the pacing of the story down?
Fiddles_stix wrote...
@Centauri - Oh now you're just teasing
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No hints at all? No background, no scene description, nothing?No?centauri2002 wrote...
Quite possibly. >:3
Fiddles_stix wrote...
No hints at all? No background, no scene description, nothing?No?
How about theories on the change in Liara's appearance through the series?
centauri2002 wrote...
Fiddles_stix wrote...
No hints at all? No background, no scene description, nothing?No?
How about theories on the change in Liara's appearance through the series?
I'll give you this much... the story starts off in 2399. So that should tell you about who's around and who isn't.
Her change in appearance? What do you mean exactly?
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