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She'll definitely be essential but I'm not sure if she will be the one to find the Reapers weakness. Something tells me anything in the way of a mass accelerator is going to need more than a few panel beating session to be repaired. But that begs the question will there be a deus ex machina type thingamajig that can solve the issue and what would that mean for the story?

Also the reapers are each a nation meaning they give no alliegiance to a central command structure so a lot of these weapons would be needed. I'm tempted to lean more toward the virus side of things with Legion but there's no reason that Liara couldn't save the universe instead of Shep.


I was thinking along the lines of a virus too. No matter if you're machine or organism, you're generally susceptible to viruses. How that virus will be constructed and then implemented, I'm not sure.

We need more information on the Reapers, they seem to function like machines but do they have any form of biology or any living tissue? Thinking in particular the indoctrination aspect, the rays or whatever they use to impose their will would need to be circumvented plus they're more advanced than anything else so detection problems. And if a nutralisation virus was found and implemented wouldn't that leave thousands of reapers floating in space?

Maybe the Geth, Liara and Cerberus work out a virus that disables them long enough to allow ships to move in and blow them apart. I really hope they tell us who made the damn reapers so I can know why all this happened.

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centauri2002 wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

She'll definitely be essential but I'm not sure if she will be the one to find the Reapers weakness. Something tells me anything in the way of a mass accelerator is going to need more than a few panel beating session to be repaired. But that begs the question will there be a deus ex machina type thingamajig that can solve the issue and what would that mean for the story?

Also the reapers are each a nation meaning they give no alliegiance to a central command structure so a lot of these weapons would be needed. I'm tempted to lean more toward the virus side of things with Legion but there's no reason that Liara couldn't save the universe instead of Shep.


I was thinking along the lines of a virus too. No matter if you're machine or organism, you're generally susceptible to viruses. How that virus will be constructed and then implemented, I'm not sure.


That sounds like the most obvious scenario, I dont really see any other way of killing Billions of Reapers ;L although it would be awesome to see an epic battle between Reapers and the Milky Way, If they let us pilot the Normandy (1st person) but managed to keep it to a minimum in arcadiness (yes! That's a word :P), it would be pretty awesome :) or if they did interactive cutscenes... They could Give us a choice of which route to take, or which tactics to perform, that would be awesome ;)

Liara creating a Huge Singularity Mass Effect field which pulls all the Reapers toward each other, they collide and blow up... Another great scenario ;P

What?..... You don't think that's likely to happen? ;L

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Fiddles_stix wrote...

I really hope they tell us who made the damn reapers so I can know why all happened.


It was that damn Turian councillor.. He's always "Dismissing" the claims... Heck, maybe he created them, and is simply in a state of denial after seeing what they're capable of ;)

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I expect that Liara's contribution in ME3 is going to be intelligence and analysis - she's a history expert, she can generalize those skills to working on modern-day political intrigue. I would expect that she would be culling the galaxy for any intelligence on the reapers, as well as any lost Prothean ultra-tech.

However, I think that Liara doing work on constructing an actual electronic/bioweapon to use against the reapers is pushing the suspension of disbelief. She's a Prothean expert, not an engineer. I think that BioWare has set her up to make some major discovery of a Prothean device.

I've started writing a fanfic of my own. A few weeks ago, we discussed Liara's backstory--or lack thereof. I've gotten a couple pages into a fanfic about Liara's backstory. Just finished the opening, which is an argument between Benezia/Liara right before Liara is enrolling in the University of Serrice Ph.D. program. This is actually pretty fun to write. I'm hoping that this piece will be a fun what-if that can shed some light on what circumstances gave us the Dr. Liara T'Soni we all know and love.

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I've started writing a fanfic of my own. A few weeks ago, we discussed Liara's backstory--or lack thereof. I've gotten a couple pages into a fanfic about Liara's backstory. Just finished the opening, which is an argument between Benezia/Liara right before Liara is enrolling in the University of Serrice Ph.D. program. This is actually pretty fun to write. I'm hoping that this piece will be a fun what-if that can shed some light on what circumstances gave us the Dr. Liara T'Soni we all know and love.


All I can say is that is a fantastic idea! I hope I get to read it Posted Image



@Jigsaw - I knew he was trouble serious attitude problem, all because I kept cutting him off, for shame

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Not developing a BioWare weapon... Finding their weakness, not a weapon (like a certain place on their body ;P

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www.fanfiction.net/s/6322244/1/Mass_Effect_2_and_a_half

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ScorpSt wrote...

www.fanfiction.net/s/6322244/1/Mass_Effect_2_and_a_half


Best line in it: "In case you can't tell," Tali interjected, "I'm rolling my eyes."

I laughed when I read that. 

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www.fanfiction.net/s/6322244/1/Mass_Effect_2_and_a_half


This is funny ;P Nice job :)

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centauri2002 wrote...

Best line in it: "In case you can't tell," Tali interjected, "I'm rolling my eyes."

I laughed when I read that. 

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This is funny ;P Nice job :)


Glad you enjoyed it.  I actually meant to link to the latest chapter, not the beginning, but I'm happy to see it got more people reading it. :D

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ScorpSt wrote...

Glad you enjoyed it.  I actually meant to link to the latest chapter, not the beginning, but I'm happy to see it got more people reading it. :D


I needed to read it from the beginning anyway so it's all good. :3

What's your final goal for this story then? 

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However, I think that Liara doing work on constructing an actual electronic/bioweapon to use against the reapers is pushing the suspension of disbelief. She's a Prothean expert, not an engineer. I think that BioWare has set her up to make some major discovery of a Prothean device.


Wow I never even thought of that...that would actually be an awesome way to win the war! I posted on a different forum how I thought killing ALL the reapers would require a virus because you can't exactly go to each reaper and kill them off... That would be awesome though -- your idea I mean.

Liara was one of my least favorites in mass effect 1. Because mass effect 1 was a relatively short game (if you don't spend HOURS upon HOURS going to the different planets and driving in a friggin mako), I felt like you got liara relatively late in the game. Plus she kept doing that mind meld thing which, after the 4th time, gets incredibly annoying to see the same images over and over again.

but it all changed in mass effect 2 when I downloaded LotSB...AMAZING. THAT was the liara I wanted to see. She's gotten tough! And she's gotten more...street smarts (is that it?). she was always smart -- but now she's aware of everyone. I really hope they bring her into ME3 as a squadmate. She would be amazing.

*minor spoiler* In case you didnt download LotSB

I loved when she beat up the 2 guards and kept on running after the spectre! shes gotten strong! :lol:

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[quote]lightsnow13 wrote...

[quote]emmanuelsieyes wrote...

However, I think that Liara doing work on constructing an actual electronic/bioweapon to use against the reapers is pushing the suspension of disbelief. She's a Prothean expert, not an engineer. I think that BioWare has set her up to make some major discovery of a Prothean device. [/quote]

Wow I never even thought of that...that would actually be an awesome way to win the war! I posted on a different forum how I thought killing ALL the reapers would require a virus because you can't exactly go to each reaper and kill them off... That would be awesome though -- your idea I mean.

Liara was one of my least favorites in mass effect 1. Because mass effect 1 was a relatively short game (if you don't spend HOURS upon HOURS going to the different planets and driving in a friggin mako), I felt like you got liara relatively late in the game. Plus she kept doing that mind meld thing which, after the 4th time, gets incredibly annoying to see the same images over and over again.

but it all changed in mass effect 2 when I downloaded LotSB...AMAZING. THAT was the liara I wanted to see. She's gotten tough! And she's gotten more...street smarts (is that it?). she was always smart -- but now she's aware of everyone. I really hope they bring her into ME3 as a squadmate. She would be amazing.

*minor spoiler* In case you didnt download LotSB

I loved when she beat up the 2 guards and kept on running after the spectre! shes gotten strong! :lol:[/quote]

Don't worry, basically all the regulars in this thread have LoTSB (it's effectively 'required reading' for the Liara fanbase).

Right after the shadow broker boss fight, Liara is discussing what intel the shadow broker has. He knew that the collectors were protheans. Liara has a line to the effect of 'he was looking for something else out there'. I think that 'something' is going to be some kind of Prothean device. I'm hoping that it's not a lost superweapon. I liked how the Conduit wasn't a total deus ex machina. It was a tool that Shepard had to use to beat saren, but it wasn't an instant victory over the bad guys.

[quote]Fiddles_stix wrote...

[quote]emmanuelsieyes wrote...
 
I've
started writing a fanfic of my own. A few weeks ago, we discussed
Liara's backstory--or lack thereof. I've gotten a couple pages into a
fanfic about Liara's backstory. Just finished the opening, which is an
argument between Benezia/Liara right before Liara is enrolling in the
University of Serrice Ph.D. program. This is actually pretty fun to
write. I'm hoping that this piece will be a fun what-if that can shed
some light on what circumstances gave us the Dr. Liara T'Soni we all
know and love. [/quote]

All I can say is that is a fantastic idea! I hope I get to read it ../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png

It's coming along fairly well. I'm focusing on Liara's time in grad school (overlapping into her post-doc years). I want to focus on Liara's decision to become an archeologist. This will include discussions/conflict with Benezia, Liara in school, and her first research dig. I'm debating whether to end with an epilogue set before she travels to Therum.

I want to focus on several things: I'd like to discuss her relationship with Benezia. We've seen the Benezia's fall from grace in ME1. I'd like to show her before that fall. I'm trying to show Benezia (from Liara's perspective) as a basically good person, who cares about Liara. However, Benezia is conflicted about her role as a Matriarch and her role as Liara's mother, with the central conflict between the two being Benezia's dislike for Liara finding her own path. Other themes are going to be Liara's relationships (or lack thereof) for several reasons. First is her struggle being a pureblood. I'd also like to expand upon what Matriarch Aeythia says in ME2, about how the Asari youth are busy screwing around, that they're not getting anything done as a species. The final major theme is going to be the role of Prothean history in modern galatic society. I'm basing the Benezia/Liara conflict on Benezia chastizing Liara for looking to the past and ignoring the problems that current society faces. Liara believes that since modern galactic society is based upon Prothean developments (or so they think), that it is necessary to understand how their culture utilized the mass relays and the Citadel.

Right now I'm working on the Benezia/Liara dialogue. Trying to get the 'voices' of the characters perfect has been the hardest part so far. I'm interested in how other fanfic has handled this, but I haven't read any other fanfic yet (I don't want to steal plot points from other writers). Also, Shepard is not going to be in this story. At all. There is a lot of good Liara/Shepard writing out there, but I want to have a story that focuses just on Liara, so that I can get a better idea of who she really is. Plus, Liara's backstory isn't likely to be expanded upon in ME3, so it's not like I have to worry about canon overriding my story.

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For Liara's and Benezia's 'voices', you may want to check out Chapter 4 of The Beautiful Indifferent. It delves into Liara's persona a bit, and has a wonderful conversation between Liara and Benezia that sets an beautiful tone for an early part of their relationship (before, I imagine, they had a falling out over Saren). The plot follows the events of ME1, so you certainly wouldn't be tempted to steal any plot points. Read the whole thing if you've got a chance. It's one of the most beautifully written pieces of fanfiction that I've ever read!

Another story that I felt really showed who Liara is as a character is chapter 2 of Who We Are. It focuses on two professors of Liara's (Liara's really only a cursory character in the chapter) but it touches on her 'pureblood' status and how others might treat her because of it.

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TheMarshal wrote...

Another story that I felt really showed who Liara is as a character is chapter 2 of Who We Are. It focuses on two professors of Liara's (Liara's really only a cursory character in the chapter) but it touches on her 'pureblood' status and how others might treat her because of it.


Argh. Don't bring that fanfic up! It pains me to think how long since it's last been updated. :blush:

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Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Another story that I felt really showed who Liara is as a character is chapter 2 of Who We Are. It focuses on two professors of Liara's (Liara's really only a cursory character in the chapter) but it touches on her 'pureblood' status and how others might treat her because of it.


Argh. Don't bring that fanfic up! It pains me to think how long since it's last been updated. :blush:


Ha!  He's been my beta-reader for A Good Night, and since I haven't had anything for him in well over a month, I haven't seen or heard from him in a while.  Probably busy with school and such.

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TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Another story that I felt really showed who Liara is as a character is chapter 2 of Who We Are. It focuses on two professors of Liara's (Liara's really only a cursory character in the chapter) but it touches on her 'pureblood' status and how others might treat her because of it.


Argh. Don't bring that fanfic up! It pains me to think how long since it's last been updated. :blush:


Ha!  He's been my beta-reader for A Good Night, and since I haven't had anything for him in well over a month, I haven't seen or heard from him in a while.  Probably busy with school and such.


Yeah, curse real-life! "shakes fist".

That first chapter was so bloody brilliant.

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centauri2002 wrote...

I needed to read it from the beginning anyway so it's all good. :3

What's your final goal for this story then? 


To be honest, I'm not really sure. I've got the next episode planned out and I have at least one more story line that I want to do (not sure how many episodes that one is going to take). Basically, I just wanted to write a story that would tie up the loose ends my Shepard had for in time for ME3.

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ScorpSt wrote...

To be honest, I'm not really sure. I've got the next episode planned out and I have at least one more story line that I want to do (not sure how many episodes that one is going to take). Basically, I just wanted to write a story that would tie up the loose ends my Shepard had for in time for ME3.


That's as good a reason to write as any. :) There's a lot of off-screen scenes that could be written for Mass Effect, particularly character interaction or emotional scenes, I think. So there's plenty of material for fan fiction. ^^

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Found this in my screenshot bin and cropped it a bit.

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Shotgun Liara for the win!

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Aww that's a nice picture of her. She doesn't look quite right in the Predator camo though, methinks. >.>

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Does anyone else wonder if Vasir's death will be brought up in the (possible) trial in ME3? Perhaps as another crime to be added against Shepard along with the death of 300000 Batarians.

Hopefully Shepard can do a decent job at keeping Liara out as much as possible for whatever explaination he have.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Does anyone else wonder if Vasir's death will be brought up in the (possible) trial in ME3? Perhaps as another crime to be added against Shepard along with the death of 300000 Batarians.

Hopefully Shepard can do a decent job at keeping Liara out as much as possible for whatever explaination he have.


Interesting thought. I'm not sure if one Spectre's death will be significant against all those lives lost though. That said, does anyone aside from Shepard and Liara know what happened at Azure? I'm sure it won't end up being common knowledge. Lets hope not anyway. >.>

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centauri2002 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Does anyone else wonder if Vasir's death will be brought up in the (possible) trial in ME3? Perhaps as another crime to be added against Shepard along with the death of 300000 Batarians.

Hopefully Shepard can do a decent job at keeping Liara out as much as possible for whatever explaination he have.


Interesting thought. I'm not sure if one Spectre's death will be significant against all those lives lost though. That said, does anyone aside from Shepard and Liara know what happened at Azure? I'm sure it won't end up being common knowledge. Lets hope not anyway. >.>


I'm sure they will add it. Killing a spectre is perhaps not as big as 300000 batarians, but it is still something.

The fact that a spectre was there means that they will undoubtely check sooner or later.

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I'm not worried about Vasir. She took a hostage and wanted to kill Mariana, if that's not bad I don't know what is. And of course the attempted Murder of Liara. It should be more then possible to compare the bullets from the crimescene to Vasirs weapon. It's your duty as a Spectre to kill her.

Killing 300000 Batarians for no reason, because everybody is denieing the existence of Reapers. That's a whole different story. For one, It's the perfect excuse for the Batarians to go to war against humans.