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[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

It's funny... although I can imagine the two of them having children and living out their lives together, I can't envision any of the "traditional" (or perhaps I mean mundane) aspects of their future. Perhaps it's because neither of them will ever really have a traditional (or mundane) life, even if they were to get out of the Information Broking/Saving the Galaxy business permanently.

I strongly dislike the idea of either of them taking on traditionally defined gender "roles" as we know them. In my head, both would make loving caretakers, strong disciplinarians, excellent providers, and empathetic parents.

I'm glad we agree.

This was one of the reasons I'd never planned any such scenes for my story, since it would be difficult to picture them in anything but a constant state of danger. I suppose it's hard to imagine because we're never presented with a situation in the games where they have the chance to just be a normal couple. 

As Liara says, "people like us don't have dates."

That said, they still need to divide the responsibilities somehow. I still can't imagine Shepard cleaning the dishes or Liara doing the laundry though. Heck, I don't want to. They should be out saving the galaxy. >.>

This brings up another good question: What would Liara and Shepard do after the galaxy is safe and they have a chance to settle down a little? Where would they live? Would Shepard ever retire? Would Liara still be the Shadow Broker? 

So many questions... D:

[TheMarshal]

Ah, so glad there are questions that I can answer instead of working on revisions! XD (Almost done with Chapter 2... Practically rewriting the entire last scene)

Hmm... What does the future hold?

Liara: So, now that the Reaper threat is over, what will you... what will we do?
Shepard: I dunno... I mean, I can't see either of us being happy with washing dishes or doing laundry.
Liara: Yes... though I imagine that with the resources from the Shadow Broker, as well as the estate my mother left me after her death, we could afford to have servants who would perform most of the more mun... wh... why are you smiling?
Shepard (beaming): So you have thought about this!


I honestly imagine that until they decide to have children, both Shepard and Liara would keep their current roles, with Shepard tootling around the galaxy performing random acts of badassery, and Liara pulling the strings from the Shadow Broker's throne. Of course, they'd probably play it a little more safely, since there's no looming "galaxy-ending" threat in darkspace.

Once that baby comes around, though, all bets are off.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

centauri2002 wrote...
That said, they still need to divide the responsibilities somehow. I still can't imagine Shepard cleaning the dishes or Liara doing the laundry though.

This is the future.  Those things do themselves now.

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

Ah, so glad there are questions that I can answer instead of working on revisions! XD (Almost done with Chapter 2... Practically rewriting the entire last scene)

Hmm... What does the future hold?

Liara: So, now that the Reaper threat is over, what will you... what will we do?
Shepard: I dunno... I mean, I can't see either of us being happy with washing dishes or doing laundry.
Liara: Yes... though I imagine that with the resources from the Shadow Broker, as well as the estate my mother left me after her death, we could afford to have servants who would perform most of the more mun... wh... why are you smiling?
Shepard (beaming): So you have thought about this!


I honestly imagine that until they decide to have children, both Shepard and Liara would keep their current roles, with Shepard tootling around the galaxy performing random acts of badassery, and Liara pulling the strings from the Shadow Broker's throne. Of course, they'd probably play it a little more safely, since there's no looming "galaxy-ending" threat in darkspace.

Once that baby comes around, though, all bets are off.

Absolutely, why revise when you can entertain me on this forum! :3

The little scene you wrote there, while hilarious, is spot on. With their resources, they could easily live comfortably. Would they though? >.> I can't see either of them being able to sit back and relax and let a servant do things for them.

I wonder which of them will be the "cool" mum, and which of them will be the "mean" mum. Someone's going to end up taking on the role of disciplinarian. Now that I think about it, that's so unfair on parents. >.>

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...
This is the future.  Those things do themselves now. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Haha, good point. I was just using it as an example though. There has to be some future equivalent of the mundane. >.>

[JiGsAw2453]

The first chapter of my FemShep/Liara FanFic is almost finished, just got the final scene to do now ^^ so should be up tomorrow.

It's set 4 months after LoTSB (after Liara came aboard the Normandy). I explore Shepard's "hidden" emotions and fears. The main plot though is about "A secret plot"... I can't really say more than that ;P

I'm going to re-write the scene just before the last one as well, or at least edit it.

I'll post it up on FanFiction.net as well as my own site: www.trulyinfamouspro.co.uk

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 03 avril 2011 - 10:46 .

[JiGsAw2453]

centauri2002 wrote...


I wonder which of them will be the "cool" mum, and which of them will be the "mean" mum. Someone's going to end up taking on the role of disciplinarian. Now that I think about it, that's so unfair on parents.

Shepard will definitely be the mean mum for me although, I'm not sure, she is quite an emotional wreck in my FanFic

She would have to be the cool mum as well I think, Liara isn't exactly as "cool" as someone who saved the Galaxy multiple times.

However "cool" as in the one you always speak to and go to for comfort, that would probably be Liara

[patocerda]

Random question out here for all ya Liara-fanfic-readers/writers:

What do you use to read FanFics in general? PC, iPad, eReader?

Asking because I'm really tempted by the Kindle...cute device

[Centauri2002]

patocerda wrote...

Random question out here for all ya Liara-fanfic-readers/writers:

What do you use to read FanFics in general? PC, iPad, eReader?

Asking because I'm really tempted by the Kindle...cute device

Just my PC or netbook.

The Kindle has been tempting me but I'm not that much of a reader so it would probably be a waste. However, I've been thinking about writing for the kindle format, since it seems to be a popular method of self-publish. There's nothing quite like having your work in a book though.

[patocerda]

centauri2002 wrote...

patocerda wrote...

Random question out here for all ya Liara-fanfic-readers/writers:

What do you use to read FanFics in general? PC, iPad, eReader?

Asking because I'm really tempted by the Kindle...cute device

Just my PC or netbook.

The Kindle has been tempting me but I'm not that much of a reader so it would probably be a waste. However, I've been thinking about writing for the kindle format, since it seems to be a popular method of self-publish. There's nothing quite like having your work in a book though.

I thought exactly like you until very recently, as I got to watch that almighty display in action.

All I have to say is wow, it does looks really similar to a book. The only thing lacking for me would be the smell and the physical size

The problem is that my eyes get strained pretty fast in front of a computer, and I really enjoy reading FanFics. Hell, I might even try to write one someday. But with something like a Kindle, and the Fics converted, I'd spend all day reading

[emmanuelsieyes]

centauri2002 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

It's funny... although I can imagine the two of them having children and living out their lives together, I can't envision any of the "traditional" (or perhaps I mean mundane) aspects of their future. Perhaps it's because neither of them will ever really have a traditional (or mundane) life, even if they were to get out of the Information Broking/Saving the Galaxy business permanently.

I strongly dislike the idea of either of them taking on traditionally defined gender "roles" as we know them. In my head, both would make loving caretakers, strong disciplinarians, excellent providers, and empathetic parents.

I'm glad we agree.

This was one of the reasons I'd never planned any such scenes for my story, since it would be difficult to picture them in anything but a constant state of danger. I suppose it's hard to imagine because we're never presented with a situation in the games where they have the chance to just be a normal couple. 

As Liara says, "people like us don't have dates."

That said, they still need to divide the responsibilities somehow. I still can't imagine Shepard cleaning the dishes or Liara doing the laundry though. Heck, I don't want to. They should be out saving the galaxy. >.>

This brings up another good question: What would Liara and Shepard do after the galaxy is safe and they have a chance to settle down a little? Where would they live? Would Shepard ever retire? Would Liara still be the Shadow Broker? 

So many questions... D:

This is kind of like the revelation I had that in the context of the actual game mechanics, each major plot world is basically a date with Liara. With that in mind, Shepard takes Liara for some pretty awful dates:

-Feros. Has nice Prothean ruins. Also has a bunch of zombies that like to puke over everyone.
-Virmire. Nothing says romance like makeshift nuclear devices. Leaving one of your best friends to die is also a fun way to add drama to the evening.
-Noveria. Self-explanatory.

I don't think Shepard is good with the ladies (or guys), I think that Shepard is terrible at relationships and Shepard's various love interests are just accepting enough to go with it.

I'm intrigued to see how Shepard/Liara will play out in ME3. Generally, the romance content has actually been minimal - LoTSB is something like 10 minutes of dialogue (which can be the romance path) out of a 2 - 3 hour DLC, and ME1 had about 10 minutes (conversation where Liara expresses interest + almost-kiss when the normandy is impounded + night before Ilos) out of a 30 - 40 hour game. With that in mind, I'm expecting that the ending of ME3 is going to be longer. ME1 had Ilos/Citadel/Boss, ME2 had the entire Suicide Mission. The pacing of the romance so far has been a little bit at the beginning (right after Therum), with the romance picking up again before the endgame (after in case of LoTSB). With that in mind, I'm expecting that the romance will play heavily into the epilogue. Every ME game + major DLC has ended with some of kind of debriefing (councillor selection in ME1, tim conversation in me2, liara conversation in lotsb, hackett conversation in arrival). In ME3, I wouldn't be surprised if this conversation (on the way home from the final battle) was a 'where do we go from here' kind of thing. As far as I know, LoTSB is the only romance that discusses 'where do we go from here'. Perhaps this is a sign of things to come.

patocerda
I thought exactly like you until very recently, as I got to watch that almighty display in action.

All
I have to say is wow, it does looks really similar to a book. The only
thing lacking for me would be the smell and the physical size

The
problem is that my eyes get strained pretty fast in front of a
computer, and I really enjoy reading FanFics. Hell, I might even try to
write one someday. But with something like a Kindle, and the Fics
converted, I'd spend all day reading

I do all of my fanfic reading on the computer. My eyesight is terrible, and my eyes are not equally bad. I use 21" CRT monitors set to really high resolution, with 14 to 16 size monospace fonts. With this setup, I can read for hours and not have any eyestrain issues.

With that in mind, the major issue I have with reading on the computer is that it's so easy to get distracted.

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 04 avril 2011 - 04:12 .

[TheMarshal]

centauri2002 wrote...

I wonder which of them will be the "cool" mum, and which of them will be the "mean" mum. Someone's going to end up taking on the role of disciplinarian. Now that I think about it, that's so unfair on parents. >.>

I dunno...  I think that after several years of living together, Liara would 'temper' Shepard quite nicely, and Shepard would, in turn, introduce a little chaos into Liara's life.  Maybe I'm just being naive, but I imagine they'd wind up forming a fairly united front in terms of parenting, woe be to any daughter of theirs!  ;-P

[JiGsAw2453]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

@Jigsaw - Your Shep would be mean? How come?

Not mean as such, more the person who gives out the discipline

[Centauri2002]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

I don't think traditional roles would fit either Shep or Liara. Partially because they're in the future but mostly because with all the death they've seen they would have to have a different perspective on life. I'd like to know more about their kid though.

I thought you dealt with their domestic life really well by dealing with it tangentially, striking the balance between sufficient detail to set the scene but just the right amount of ambiguity that allowed me to impose my sheps on the story. Strangely all my Sheps seems to be quite similar to yours .

I think Shep and Liara's honeymoon would go for an extremely long time! Maybe live on Thessia but probably travel quite a bit, at least in my scenario. Shep might retire but Liara seems to be locked in as the Shadow Broker, they'd either have to destroy the base or find a replacement and destruction could cause chaos amongst the ruling governments. Sad to say they might have to keep it and find a replacement. But who could possibly do that job?

A full on domestic scene rather than commentary would be bizarre, is anyone else finding it strange to picture a world where Reapers don't exist and peace reigns?

I think we're all in agreement on them not being able to settle down to a normal domestic life. Whatever normal is. >.> You're right, all that death is going to change them (no matter what BioWare seem to show in ME2 with Shepard, ahem) and it's going to be highly unbelievable if I just write about them settled down with a mundane life.

That was my intention with the fan fiction, actually. I wanted people to be able to imagine their Shepard's in the story, if they so wished, hence my use of "Shepard" rather than her first name in the narrative. The use of the name also worked on other levels but I'll stay on topic. We think alike in terms of character creation, then - nothing wrong with that! 

You're right, I think it would be hard to take the Shadow Broker out of the galaxy. It would also be hard for Liara to walk away from that, I believe, even after the galaxy is saved from the Reapers. There will always be other threats and that kind of power is hard to ignore.

However, I have come up with an idea to show how they both handled parenthood but in a more Shepard-esque way. >:3

patocerda wrote...

I thought exactly like you until very recently, as I got to watch that almighty display in action. 

All I have to say is wow, it does looks really similar to a book. The only thing lacking for me would be the smell and the physical size

The problem is that my eyes get strained pretty fast in front of a computer, and I really enjoy reading FanFics. Hell, I might even try to write one someday. But with something like a Kindle, and the Fics converted, I'd spend all day reading

I may give it a go then. I've been tempted to put some original short stories up on Amazon for use with the Kindle - perhaps I'll act on that. >.>

Whilst I can't complain against someone reading fanfics a lot, you should take it easy, wouldn't want to strain your eyes. D:

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

This is kind of like the revelation I had that in the context of the actual game mechanics, each major plot world is basically a date with Liara. With that in mind, Shepard takes Liara for some pretty awful dates:

-Feros. Has nice Prothean ruins. Also has a bunch of zombies that like to puke over everyone.
-Virmire. Nothing says romance like makeshift nuclear devices. Leaving one of your best friends to die is also a fun way to add drama to the evening.
-Noveria. Self-explanatory.

I don't think Shepard is good with the ladies (or guys), I think that Shepard is terrible at relationships and Shepard's various love interests are just accepting enough to go with it. 

I'm intrigued to see how Shepard/Liara will play out in ME3. Generally, the romance content has actually been minimal - LoTSB is something like 10 minutes of dialogue (which can be the romance path) out of a 2 - 3 hour DLC, and ME1 had about 10 minutes (conversation where Liara expresses interest + almost-kiss when the normandy is impounded + night before Ilos) out of a 30 - 40 hour game. With that in mind, I'm expecting that the ending of ME3 is going to be longer. ME1 had Ilos/Citadel/Boss, ME2 had the entire Suicide Mission. The pacing of the romance so far has been a little bit at the beginning (right after Therum), with the romance picking up again before the endgame (after in case of LoTSB). With that in mind, I'm expecting that the romance will play heavily into the epilogue. Every ME game + major DLC has ended with some of kind of debriefing (councillor selection in ME1, tim conversation in me2, liara conversation in lotsb, hackett conversation in arrival). In ME3, I wouldn't be surprised if this conversation (on the way home from the final battle) was a 'where do we go from here' kind of thing. As far as I know, LoTSB is the only romance that discusses 'where do we go from here'. Perhaps this is a sign of things to come. 

Okay, that made me laugh. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] I had never thought of it like that, but in a way you're right! She really is a lousy girlfriend. >.> Somehow, I can't imagine that changing once the galaxy is safe either (the bad dates, not the lousy girlfriend part). Oh, poor Liara. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

I'll be greatly disappointed if they don't give the romances a fitting conclusion. The Liara/Shepard romance is one of the main reasons why I've enjoyed Mass Effect so much. It's kind of sad considering it's such a minor feature of the actual game. As far as I'm concerned though, it's a major plot point merely due to the fact that Liara has such influence on events. I'm sure the same can be argued for the other LIs but I don't think quite to the same extent. I'm biased of course. >:3

A kind of epilogue will be nice but I hope they weave the romance into the main story as well, I think that would feel right.

TheMarshal wrote...

I dunno...  I think that after several years of living together, Liara would 'temper' Shepard quite nicely, and Shepard would, in turn, introduce a little chaos into Liara's life.  Maybe I'm just being naive, but I imagine they'd wind up forming a fairly united front in terms of parenting, woe be to any daughter of theirs!  ;-P

Aye, I'd tend to agree with this. I think they have quite the effect on one another. There's one thing I noticed about Liara's character changes between Mass Effect 1 and 2: the way she speaks. She uses contractions much more in the second game than she does in the first. It's probably a minor change but I think it shows how spending so much time around humans and other species has left its mark on her. I think that will be even more significant after a lifetime with Shepard.

[Centauri2002]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

@Centauri -
"However, I have come up with an idea to show how they both handled parenthood but in a more Shepard-esque way. >:3 "

What what what? Do tell

Hehe, I'm tempted to string you along for a bit. >:3

But I'll be nice! As a fourth chapter (or perhaps a one-shot) I plan to show Shepard and Liara dealing with several disasters/troubles/events during the years they're raising Medora. Even though they try to give their daughter a somewhat normal life, the galaxy apparently plots against them. Something along the lines of: Medora causes havoc as a little asari in the Shadow Broker base one day, perhaps playing around with a console and initiating a conflict in some far-off system, which Shepard then has to clean up. I plan on it having a much lighter tone anyway.

[Centauri2002]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

So you're going for some humour? Sooo what are the other chapters going to be about?

I guess you could call it humour. I don't tend to write straight up comedy, I prefer that to be character led, but I suppose it'll be unavoidable with how I'm setting it up. >.>

Chapter Two will focus on the events in Mass Effect 2, particularly Shepard's death and their reunion. I want to deal with the consequences of her death since BioWare overlooked that. 

Chapter Three will focus on Mass Effect 3, so obviously I can't write that until I've played it.

[Centauri2002]

Fiddles_stix wrote...
^This makes me sad

Although it's good to hear you've planned it out that far
And I guess taking into account real life etc it's fair enough. Still impatient though and yet another reason for ME3 to be released.

Hehe, aww. Glad to see I can give you something to look forward to though. :3

I don't have that much time to write unfortunately, and I have to split my attention between my original stuff and the fan fiction when I do. So the release of ME3 gives me a little leeway. >.>

[JiGsAw2453]

centauri2002 wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

@Centauri -
"However, I have come up with an idea to show how they both handled parenthood but in a more Shepard-esque way. >:3 "

What what what? Do tell

Hehe, I'm tempted to string you along for a bit. >:3

But I'll be nice! As a fourth chapter (or perhaps a one-shot) I plan to show Shepard and Liara dealing with several disasters/troubles/events during the years they're raising Medora. Even though they try to give their daughter a somewhat normal life, the galaxy apparently plots against them. Something along the lines of: Medora causes havoc as a little asari in the Shadow Broker base one day, perhaps playing around with a console and initiating a conflict in some far-off system, which Shepard then has to clean up. I plan on it having a much lighter tone anyway.

You said you don't like writing family drama, so that would be a good idea You could also have people trying to assassinate Shepard, maybe anti-humans, because Shepard is the most famous Human But that might be a bit much

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 04 avril 2011 - 02:54 .

[JiGsAw2453]

Fiddles_stix wrote...
Also how's your fanfic going?

It's going really well, just typing up some notes I made today

Should be finished within the day, hopefully in the next hour or so

[Centauri2002]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...]

You said you don't like writing family drama, so that would be a good idea You could also have people trying to assassinate Shepard, maybe anti-humans, because Shepard is the most famous Human But that might be a bit much

Yeah, that's also another bonus. I'm kind of lucky, in a way, that Shepard and Liara don't suit that genre in the slightest.

I think it'd be pretty dumb for anyone, no matter their stance on humans, to try and assassinate Shepard after she's saved the galaxy from the biggest threats it has ever faced. Not only because she technically saved the assassin's ass but because, if a Reaper fleet can't stop her, what chance do you have?  Then again, fanaticals will be fanatical. >.>