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[JiGsAw2453]

centauri2002 wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...]

You said you don't like writing family drama, so that would be a good idea You could also have people trying to assassinate Shepard, maybe anti-humans, because Shepard is the most famous Human But that might be a bit much

Yeah, that's also another bonus. I'm kind of lucky, in a way, that Shepard and Liara don't suit that genre in the slightest.

I think it'd be pretty dumb for anyone, no matter their stance on humans, to try and assassinate Shepard after she's saved the galaxy from the biggest threats it has ever faced. Not only because she technically saved the assassin's ass but because, if a Reaper fleet can't stop her, what chance do you have?  Then again, fanaticals will be fanatical. >.>

You might change your mind on that after reading my FanFicion  

There is "A Secret Plot" involved ;P

Although, the first chapter is an introduction and ends on a note that kind of tells you who was involved in the plot...

Although, it is not based after she has defeated the reapers, it is based 4 months after LoTSB 

[TheMarshal]

Yeah, fanatics will be fanatics.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who would want to see Shepard dead, even after saving the galaxy from the Reapers.  Anti-human groups might want her dead out of principle (especially after Arrival).  Pro-human groups might will definiely not like the fact that she's taken an asari as a partner.  And then of course there are always the usual groups who target highly visible individuals for the more mundane reasons (kidnapping, extortion, politics, etc.)

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah, fanatics will be fanatics.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who would want to see Shepard dead, even after saving the galaxy from the Reapers.  Anti-human groups might want her dead out of principle (especially after Arrival).  Pro-human groups might will definiely not like the fact that she's taken an asari as a partner.  And then of course there are always the usual groups who target highly visible individuals for the more mundane reasons (kidnapping, extortion, politics, etc.)

The galaxy is a cruel, cruel place. One wonders if Shepard and Liara will ever be safe. >.>

But, then, that gives an almost infinite amount of fan fiction scenarios to keep us busy after the trilogy is done. :3

[JiGsAw2453]

centauri2002 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah, fanatics will be fanatics.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who would want to see Shepard dead, even after saving the galaxy from the Reapers.  Anti-human groups might want her dead out of principle (especially after Arrival).  Pro-human groups might will definiely not like the fact that she's taken an asari as a partner.  And then of course there are always the usual groups who target highly visible individuals for the more mundane reasons (kidnapping, extortion, politics, etc.)

The galaxy is a cruel, cruel place. One wonders if Shepard and Liara will ever be safe. >.>

But, then, that gives an almost infinite amount of fan fiction scenarios to keep us busy after the trilogy is done. :3

That being if Shepard and Liara survive? God, I hope they do :'(

[Centauri2002]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

That being if Shepard and Liara survive? God, I hope they do :'(

If Shepard dies at the end of ME3, that's going to screw up my fan fiction canon. 

I'm not even going to think about if Liara dies!

[TheMarshal]

centauri2002 wrote...

The galaxy is a cruel, cruel place. One wonders if Shepard and Liara will ever be safe. >.>

But, then, that gives an almost infinite amount of fan fiction scenarios to keep us busy after the trilogy is done. :3

Indeed!  (Though I'm certainly not at a loss for fan fiction ideas...  It's just about getting them out of my head and down on paper that's tricky)  Hell, I even had an idea for a story where Shepard and Liara's daughter got kidnapped, but I hadn't developed any details beyond the kidnapping and the beginning of the search.  I don't even know who did it or why, but I thought it would make for a cool story to write someday.

IF I ever can finish anything else that I'm writing!  Argh!

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

Indeed!  (Though I'm certainly not at a loss for fan fiction ideas...  It's just about getting them out of my head and down on paper that's tricky)  Hell, I even had an idea for a story where Shepard and Liara's daughter got kidnapped, but I hadn't developed any details beyond the kidnapping and the beginning of the search.  I don't even know who did it or why, but I thought it would make for a cool story to write someday.

IF I ever can finish anything else that I'm writing!  Argh!

Oh that would make for a fun story! Shepard would go on the war path. And if we thought Liara was ruthless in LotSB...  The reasoning could be as simple as her being Shepard's daughter, or symbolising the link between human and asari (for those that are xenophobes perhaps). I might have to insist you write this! 

How are your other WiPs coming along?

[ScorpSt]

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah, fanatics will be fanatics.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who would want to see Shepard dead, even after saving the galaxy from the Reapers.  Anti-human groups might want her dead out of principle (especially after Arrival).  Pro-human groups might will definiely not like the fact that she's taken an asari as a partner.  And then of course there are always the usual groups who target highly visible individuals for the more mundane reasons (kidnapping, extortion, politics, etc.)

Let's not forget that there's bound to be a few crazies who think the Reapers were right.

[TheMarshal]

centauri2002 wrote...

Oh that would make for a fun story! Shepard would go on the war path. And if we thought Liara was ruthless in LotSB...  The reasoning could be as simple as her being Shepard's daughter, or symbolising the link between human and asari (for those that are xenophobes perhaps). I might have to insist you write this! 

How are your other WiPs coming along?

Actually, I saw Liara remaining a voice of reason, wanting to rely on the Shadow Broker's contacts to figure things out, whereas Shepard would want to tear apart the galaxy to get her girl back.  Liara would of course be grief stricken, but Shepard was with their daughter when she got kidnapped, so of course she feels responsible for it happening.

As for my current WiP, I'm partway through revisions for Chapter 3, revisions for Chapter 4 should go quickly since it's almost all action, and last night I managed to write out an outline for Chapters 5 and 6.  So hopefully I'll have this wrapped up by the end of April!

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

Actually, I saw Liara remaining a voice of reason, wanting to rely on the Shadow Broker's contacts to figure things out, whereas Shepard would want to tear apart the galaxy to get her girl back.  Liara would of course be grief stricken, but Shepard was with their daughter when she got kidnapped, so of course she feels responsible for it happening.

As for my current WiP, I'm partway through revisions for Chapter 3, revisions for Chapter 4 should go quickly since it's almost all action, and last night I managed to write out an outline for Chapters 5 and 6.  So hopefully I'll have this wrapped up by the end of April!

Fair enough. I was only going on how she reacted to Shepard's death. Of course, with Shepard there, she may feel like she can think more with her head than her heart. :3

Good news then! So you'll write the kidnapping one after April then? Yes? ?

[emmanuelsieyes]

I always wondered how far Liara would go to keep her shadow broker identity hidden. As an info broker on Illium, she was a potential target. However, now Liara is going to have to keep her real identity hidden. In LoTSB, the yahg bombed an entire building, killing dozens, to try and stop Liara from discovering his base. I'm wondering how far Liara is willing to go to keep herself hidden, especially since having Shepard as her partner will make her a target for public scrutiny.

[Centauri2002]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

I always wondered how far Liara would go to keep her shadow broker identity hidden. As an info broker on Illium, she was a potential target. However, now Liara is going to have to keep her real identity hidden. In LoTSB, the yahg bombed an entire building, killing dozens, to try and stop Liara from discovering his base. I'm wondering how far Liara is willing to go to keep herself hidden, especially since having Shepard as her partner will make her a target for public scrutiny.

Interesting thought. I imagine she'll be more inclined to go to greater lengths whilst Shepard still needs her Shadow Broker status but it'll be hard to give up that power even afterwards. Still, once the galaxy is safe, maybe she can hand off the role on some poor sod. Feron perhaps? >.>

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

I always wondered how far Liara would go to keep her shadow broker identity hidden. As an info broker on Illium, she was a potential target. However, now Liara is going to have to keep her real identity hidden. In LoTSB, the yahg bombed an entire building, killing dozens, to try and stop Liara from discovering his base. I'm wondering how far Liara is willing to go to keep herself hidden, especially since having Shepard as her partner will make her a target for public scrutiny.

That really depends on her plan after the Reapers are gone.

Will she stay as the SB? Stay on the ship and have Shepard visit her from time to time? Perhaps Liara T'soni will enter the public scene again after being mysteriously absent for some time, but keep her SB identity a secret (Batman style! ).

One thing I wonder about is whether or not one person can truly "retire" from being SB without getting killed first. Perhaps she will just one day leave the ship and the office will be vacant. Thereby disbanding the network, granted this might not be the best idea since orginisations like Cerberus would undoubtly try to become stronger in the following powervacuum.

Perhaps Liara will find someone trust worthy to be her succsesor as the SB. Granted that means that the new SB will know who Liara has been, which they might try to cause harm in whatever way they wish (granted Liara could return the favor).

[TheMarshal]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

I always wondered how far Liara would go to keep her shadow broker identity hidden. As an info broker on Illium, she was a potential target. However, now Liara is going to have to keep her real identity hidden. In LoTSB, the yahg bombed an entire building, killing dozens, to try and stop Liara from discovering his base. I'm wondering how far Liara is willing to go to keep herself hidden, especially since having Shepard as her partner will make her a target for public scrutiny.

It was curious that Liara didn't seem to be worried about her identity being well-known as an information broker.  In fact, she was known BECAUSE of her role.  As the Shadow Broker, obviously she's playing with heavier ammo, and the people she pisses off aren't just businessmen and women, but governments and mercernary groups, so she'd definitely have to work hard to keep her identity a secret.  I'm sure that she'd be able to quickly figure out exactly how far she can push things without running the risk of being identified.  After all, the previous Shadow Broker(s) had been able to remain anonymous the entire time.

In my headcanon, it's Shepard who becomes (insanely) protective of Liara's identity while she's the Shadow Broker.

@centauri - All I've been able to think about all lunch has been how the kidnapping story unfolds.  Thanks a lot!  : P  (Actually, I now have an antagonist and a couple plot ideas, so yay!)

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

It was curious that Liara didn't seem to be worried about her identity being well-known as an information broker.  In fact, she was known BECAUSE of her role.  As the Shadow Broker, obviously she's playing with heavier ammo, and the people she pisses off aren't just businessmen and women, but governments and mercernary groups, so she'd definitely have to work hard to keep her identity a secret.  I'm sure that she'd be able to quickly figure out exactly how far she can push things without running the risk of being identified.  After all, the previous Shadow Broker(s) had been able to remain anonymous the entire time.

In my headcanon, it's Shepard who becomes (insanely) protective of Liara's identity while she's the Shadow Broker.

@centauri - All I've been able to think about all lunch has been how the kidnapping story unfolds.  Thanks a lot!  : P  (Actually, I now have an antagonist and a couple plot ideas, so yay!)

I like your headcanon Shepard, she'd get on well with mine. You know, if they weren't... the same... you know what I mean. >.> I definitely like the idea of an uber protective Shepard guarding Liara's secrets (in more ways than one ).

Mwahaha, I'm glad to have thoroughly derailed your thoughts. My plan to have you writing that story is coming to fruition!  Care to share your ideas? ?

[Centauri2002]

I played LotSB for my second playthrough (yes, I haven't actually played that much beyond my initial time) and I noticed something that Liara said... she called Vasir a woman. *facepalm* I'd been agonising over descriptors for the asari and had convinced myself woman could only be used for human females... and now Liara does this to me! Why, Liara!? >.>

Anyway, would it be too jarring to add that descriptor to my second chapter for various asari, you think? Or is she just contradicting her "I'm not exactly a woman" line from ME1? Which one should we take into consideration? D:

Modifié par centauri2002, 04 avril 2011 - 10:29 .

[IndigoWolfe]

@centauri

I don't think it would be too awkward to use it in the narrative. I try to avoid using the descriptor 'woman' when referring to asari, but I don't bend over backwards for it. Although I find I can almost always substitute it with 'person' or 'asari'.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 04 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[pacer90]

Woman I find a little strange, but it's not a hard and fast rule at all. Go for it imo, just don't overdo it.

I am putting the touches on a chapter that actually abuses the designations "she" and "her" though, simply because there is no way around it without the narrative sounding awkward.

[Centauri2002]

Yep, that was my problem with my first chapter. I really don't want to have to use woman since it seems wrong to me. But it would certainly ease the repetitiveness of some of the other descriptors. That, and I didn't use it in my first chapter so it might seem even more out of place in subsequent chapters.

Thanks for your input.

Modifié par centauri2002, 04 avril 2011 - 10:40 .

[Centauri2002]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

In ME1 wasn't she was explaining the cultural difference between Humans and Asari because of the monogendered nature of Asari, physiologically not very different but culturally worlds apart?

The line I was thinking of was a remark on something Kaiden says when you romance both of them. I remember seeing it in a video so I may be wrong. I, of course, didn't get such a conversation in my playthroughs. >.>

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

So the meaning of 'woman' has no resonance in Asari culture maybe?

Yes, because the Asari have no concept of gender. Due to there only being one.

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

Yes, because the Asari have no concept of gender. Due to there only being one.

Which raises the question... why did Liara use it when referring to Vasir? BioWare, you confuse me! D:

And yes, Fiddles, that was the scene I meant.

Modifié par centauri2002, 04 avril 2011 - 11:07 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Yes, because the Asari have no concept of gender. Due to there only being one.

Which raises the question... why did Liara use it when referring to Vasir? BioWare, you confuse me! D:

For Shepard's sake? Because Vasir and all Asari are female, meaning that in the eyes of a human, they would be a species consisting only of women.