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[TheMarshal]

centauri2002 wrote...

I don't think Liara would get on too well with Miranda actually. From what I saw in the comics, they worked together reluctantly and out of necessity but there was a kind of hostility brewing beneath the surface. I'm sure she'd be grateful to Miranda for helping bring Shepard back but I can see some tension forming there.

I get the impression Kasumi and Liara would have a fun dynamic. I'm pretty sure Kasumi would try to tease Liara whenever she got the chance, concerning her relationship with Shepard anyway. Although, I'm sure the connection between Shepard and Liara would be a painful reminder of what she, herself, has lost. But, I see her using humour to cover that up.

Now I want to see this. >.>

@Indigo: I wasn't meaning it in a perfect parallel sense, I was just trying to apply my limited human understanding to it.

I think you're right about Miranda and Liara - if they both remained as they were in Redemption.  However, Liara's been 'hardened' by the past two years, and Miranda has 'softened' a little bit in turn.  I think how that relationship developed would largely depend on Shepard's relationship with Miranda.  If theirs was a good relationship, one of mutual respect, then I can see Liara and Miranda getting along quite well.

I've grown to really like Miranda (thanks almost entirely to jtav's stories about her), so I personally see my Shepard having a respectful relationship with Miranda, and I imagine that would likewise translate to Miranda and Liara.

edit - totp Liara!

Modifié par TheMarshal, 05 avril 2011 - 04:09 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

I think you're right about Miranda and Liara - if they both remained as they were in Redemption.  However, Liara's been 'hardened' by the past two years, and Miranda has 'softened' a little bit in turn.  I think how that relationship developed would largely depend on Shepard's relationship with Miranda.  If theirs was a good relationship, one of mutual respect, then I can see Liara and Miranda getting along quite well.

I've grown to really like Miranda (thanks almost entirely to jtav's stories about her), so I personally see my Shepard having a respectful relationship with Miranda, and I imagine that would likewise translate to Miranda and Liara.

edit - totp Liara!

Indeed. Miranda, while still pragmatic and efficient, seems to be slightly more "soft" than when we first meet her. Liara on the other hand is still idealistic and wishes to do good, but has become more jaded and cynical.

Lovely picture!

[JiGsAw2453]

One of my favourite pictures of her  Her eyes look so beautiful 

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 05 avril 2011 - 04:33 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I think you're right about Miranda and Liara - if they both remained as they were in Redemption.  However, Liara's been 'hardened' by the past two years, and Miranda has 'softened' a little bit in turn.  I think how that relationship developed would largely depend on Shepard's relationship with Miranda.  If theirs was a good relationship, one of mutual respect, then I can see Liara and Miranda getting along quite well.

I've grown to really like Miranda (thanks almost entirely to jtav's stories about her), so I personally see my Shepard having a respectful relationship with Miranda, and I imagine that would likewise translate to Miranda and Liara.

I see no good reason why Liara/Miranda wouldn't get along.  At least, no one has proven it to me yet.

And, of course, it's all jtav's fault I want to ship them now

[Centauri2002]

So at the moment Liara gets along with everyone... and I don't see that as being very realistic.

So, who isn't she going to get along with, and why?

And, yes, lovely pictures, Marshal. :3

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...
And, of course, it's all jtav's fault I want to ship them now

I don't know if I'd go that far!  I remember when I first read Persistence of Memory.  The next time I saw Miranda in-game I wanted to smack her for going after my girl.  I've since softened to the idea (with more AU stories like Last Night of the World), but I still think Miranda should stay away from my girl!  >.>

[Centauri2002]

Oh and I could explain why I don't think Liara and Miranda would get along beyond being co-workers but I see a fair bit of bias flying around here so I'm going to go duck behind something sturdy and keep those opinions to myself. >.>

I agree, Marshal, everyone (Miranda included) should keep their grubby mitts off of Liara.

[TheMarshal]

centauri2002 wrote...

So at the moment Liara gets along with everyone... and I don't see that as being very realistic.

So, who isn't she going to get along with, and why?

And, yes, lovely pictures, Marshal. :3

Not hearing any interactions between her and the crew makes it difficult to judge who she would or wouldn't get along with.  I imagine she and Ash butted heads in ME1, but that was most likely just because of Ash's "it's not racism" racism.  I think post-LotSB Liara is a little more secure in herself, and would be able to get along with - if not necessarily LIKE - most of the SR2 crew.  Though if I had to pick, I'd say she'd be least likely to get along with Jack, Grunt, and Zaeed, just because of their personality types.  I'd also be curious about her and Samara.  Would she get agree/disagree with the Justicar code, even though it might mean that her and/or Shepard would have to be killed because of it?  Everyone always assumes they'd get along because they're asari, but I dunno...  I think there's more to it than that...

I would love to see her and Mordin geeking out over something sciencey, though.  Can you imagine if he got her talking on the Protheans, and she started mimicking his speech patterns, going faster and faster until Shepard's eyes popped out of her head?  She's got the kind of mind that could keep up with someone like Mordin, certainly.

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

Not hearing any interactions between her and the crew makes it difficult to judge who she would or wouldn't get along with.  I imagine she and Ash butted heads in ME1, but that was most likely just because of Ash's "it's not racism" racism.  I think post-LotSB Liara is a little more secure in herself, and would be able to get along with - if not necessarily LIKE - most of the SR2 crew.  Though if I had to pick, I'd say she'd be least likely to get along with Jack, Grunt, and Zaeed, just because of their personality types.  I'd also be curious about her and Samara.  Would she get agree/disagree with the Justicar code, even though it might mean that her and/or Shepard would have to be killed because of it?  Everyone always assumes they'd get along because they're asari, but I dunno...  I think there's more to it than that...

I would love to see her and Mordin geeking out over something sciencey, though.  Can you imagine if he got her talking on the Protheans, and she started mimicking his speech patterns, going faster and faster until Shepard's eyes popped out of her head?  She's got the kind of mind that could keep up with someone like Mordin, certainly.

I wasn't implying they'd be at each other's throats or anything. But I think a little conflict would make for a more interesting atmosphere on board the Normandy, and a more realistic one. From a viewer's perspective. >.> 

I certainly think she and Jack's personality types would clash, the same for Grunt and Zaeed. I'm still of the opinion she and Miranda wouldn't get along well (but as I said, keeping that to myself, ahem). I'd tend to agree with you on Samara as well. It's fairly certain she wouldn't be very sympathetic to some of the choices Liara has made in the past so them being able to strike up a friendship is rather dependent on the amount of disclosure between them. I see Samara as more of a loner anyway.

I would enjoy seeing Mordin and Liara chatting away as well. Poor Shepard would never be able to keep up with them. We already know Liara can get quite excited and carried away when talking about the Protheans, and I'm sure Mordin would find that subject matter just as interesting. :3

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...
I'd tend to agree with you on Samara as well. It's fairly certain she wouldn't be very sympathetic to some of the choices Liara has made in the past so them being able to strike up a friendship is rather dependent on the amount of disclosure between them. I see Samara as more of a loner anyway.

I think Liara while cautios of Samara (I think the entire crew is due to everyone's shady backgrounds), atleast has some respect due to justicars status in Asari society and perhaps also (if she knew her story) some symphathy and admiration for the woman herself.

I always felt it would be cool if Samara and Liara had some sort of discussion regarding the nature of Liara's role as the SB and whether or not it is amoral etc.

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

I think Liara while cautios of Samara (I think the entire crew is due to everyone's shady backgrounds), atleast has some respect due to justicars status in Asari society and perhaps also (if she knew her story) some symphathy and admiration for the woman herself.

I always felt it would be cool if Samara and Liara had some sort of discussion regarding the nature of Liara's role as the SB and whether or not it is amoral etc.

That would be cool, aye. How do you see that conversation going? :3

[AlexMBrennan]

Edited to be slightly less inflammatory: I can't think of any reason why any non-believer (of her particular sect's teaching) would respect the Justicars at all - the entire Justicar concept (the highly respected, murderous religious extremist bit) makes no sense at all.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 05 avril 2011 - 05:57 .

[Centauri2002]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Edited to be slightly less inflammatory: "My code says that it is right to kill you. Prepare to die". I can't think of reason why any non-believer (of her particular sect's teaching) would respect the Justicars at all - the entire Justicar arc makes no sense at all.

From what other asari have said, it's clear they respect the justicars. Even if that respect is edged more towards the fear side of things.

[AlexMBrennan]

True. It still doesn't make any sense.

[Centauri2002]

 There's a lot about the asari that doesn't make sense. >.> Let's just notch it up to them being a completely different species.  

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...

That would be cool, aye. How do you see that conversation going? :3

Writing dialog is not my strongest side (There's a reason my two fics have only consisted of one character's thoughts! ).

I always thought it should start with Samara asking what Liara's feelings are regarding the SB role. Liara would state something along the lines of it not being an evil or amoral position in nature, and if used correctly, can make the galaxy a better place. Samara would state the codes viewpoint on it (whatever that is), perhaps even stating

"no matter how good your intentions are, the methods you use are not. Had I not been sworn to Shepard, the code would have had compelled me to kill you."

Perhaps Liara would make some sort of repsone where she points out the fact that even if the code exist to create justice, it's favorite method of doing so is by killing.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 05 avril 2011 - 06:08 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
And, of course, it's all jtav's fault I want to ship them now

I don't know if I'd go that far!  I remember when I first read Persistence of Memory.  The next time I saw Miranda in-game I wanted to smack her for going after my girl.  I've since softened to the idea (with more AU stories like Last Night of the World), but I still think Miranda should stay away from my girl!  >.>

I think it's due to my increasing disklike/boredom with the character of Commander Shepard, which definitely makes me sympathetic to jtav's views on the subject

[Centauri2002]

jlb524 wrote...

I think it's due to my increasing disklike/boredom with the character of Commander Shepard, which definitely makes me sympathetic to jtav's views on the subject

Out of curiosity, why is that?

I'm guessing it might have something to do with BioWare's inability to portray her with much emotional depth?

[jlb524]

centauri2002 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think it's due to my increasing disklike/boredom with the character of Commander Shepard, which definitely makes me sympathetic to jtav's views on the subject

Out of curiosity, why is that?

I'm guessing it might have something to do with BioWare's inability to portray her with much emotional depth?

Yes.  I can't relate to Shepard much.

It's probably my own fault for not creating the typical stoic marine type character.

[emmanuelsieyes]

I wish Shepard was smarter. Other than that, I can't really fault Shepard. Shepard is supposed to be an instrument through which we interact with the mass effect universe.

Talking to Liara through Shepard is a lot like playing the violin wearing oven mitts. I would much rather talk to Liara in the real world. However, that's not possible. So BioWare has to try and come up with as many reactions as possible. Generally, it works pretty well. The Liara romance is (generally) well written. My favorite parts are the Paragon interrupts right after the Tela Vasir boss fight (the PI right after the shadow broker boss fight is also quite good).

The FemShep/Liara dialogue is almost always very good IMHO, although I'm not an expert on relationship writing so take that with a grain of salt.

Of course, sometimes you end up with this dialogue option:

http://imgur.com/VZYpp

I hate being mean to Liara, but I really want to know what 'death, most likely' comes out as.

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 05 avril 2011 - 06:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I hate being mean to Liara, but I really want to know what 'death, most likely' comes out as.

^ "Come on Liara.. You've seen the data. Even if we win, we won't be there to see the parade."

Modifié par Lizardviking, 05 avril 2011 - 06:48 .

[TMA LIVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
And, of course, it's all jtav's fault I want to ship them now

I don't know if I'd go that far!  I remember when I first read Persistence of Memory.  The next time I saw Miranda in-game I wanted to smack her for going after my girl.  I've since softened to the idea (with more AU stories like Last Night of the World), but I still think Miranda should stay away from my girl!  >.>

Same. I just don't believe Liara would go so far to make sure Shepard would come back to life, and continue to assist with that possibility to happen, while having a affair with Miranda, who's also trying to bring her back.

It's like "Hey, Shepard. I worked so hard to bring you back from the dead. But I'm afraid I'm leaving you for your doctor. Surprise!"

[TheMarshal]

Caythark wrote...

hmmm it´s in the end what you make of your Commander Shepard, also as it is what you make of your romance with Liara, when you decide to let BW take control over your imagination and interpretation of  the  character you created for Shepard, then Chud and his sycophants have won!

^^  This.  Most of the time I barely pay attention to what's being said/done anyway.  I mean, it all goes in the hopper along with whatever my imagination comes up with to fill the "in-between" or "unspoken" moments, and what comes out becomes canon in my head.  The games are just an ignition switch for my imagination at this point.