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[jlb524]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

Talking to Liara through Shepard is a lot like playing the violin wearing oven mitts. I would much rather talk to Liara in the real world. However, that's not possible. So BioWare has to try and come up with as many reactions as possible. Generally, it works pretty well. The Liara romance is (generally) well written. My favorite parts are the Paragon interrupts right after the Tela Vasir boss fight (the PI right after the shadow broker boss fight is also quite good).

I don't see my Shepard as an avatar or extension of myself, so I have trouble getting into this mindset.

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
The FemShep/Liara dialogue is almost always very good IMHO, although I'm not an expert on relationship writing so take that with a grain of salt.

I think what makes it so good is the voice acting, actually...Hale and Hillis are awesome together.  The writing is okay...sometimes could be better.

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
I hate being mean to Liara, but I really want to know what 'death, most likely' comes out as.

I actually prefer that option to the blue kids one.  Just be careful to pick the top option after the 'death, most likely' one or bad things will happen.

[jlb524]

Caythark wrote...

hmmm it´s in the end what you make of your Commander Shepard, also as it is what you make of your romance with Liara, when you decide to let BW take control over your imagination and interpretation of  the  character you created for Shepard, then Chud and his sycophants have won!

It is, but it still sucks there's not much to work on...at least in ME2 anyway.  I had no problems relating to the character of Shepard in ME1.  She just now seems so detatched from everyone and everything around her.

[Centauri2002]

jlb524 wrote...

It is, but it still sucks there's not much to work on...at least in ME2 anyway.  I had no problems relating to the character of Shepard in ME1.  She just now seems so detatched from everyone and everything around her.

I agree with this. I didn't enjoy ME2 as much as the first game for this exact reason. It almost felt as though Shepard was a shell compared to her former self, which would have been understandable had that actually been explained in the plot somewhere. Then LotSB came along and it allowed me to reconnect with Shepard again, and I felt like she actually felt something. As I've said before, it was really LotSB that got me into the fandom, not ME2. 

One addon isn't enough to go on though, they really should have handled her emotional progression better. Or handled it, period. But, I suppose there's only so much you can do in an action-RPG, and they probably feared they'd put too many players off if they actually made the characterisation deep and meaningful. >.>

Thank goodness for my imagination. 

[TheMarshal]

I think what we need in ME3 is...

[TMA LIVE]

Hopefully they take some elements of DA2, and put that into ME3. I really do like how Hawke's default dialogue changes based on the type of characters you are, and some of his responses change too. I also hope Shepard gets to express more opinions, instead of just pushing the plot forward.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 avril 2011 - 07:20 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Hopefully they take some elements of DA2, and put that into ME3. I really do like how Hawke's default dialogue changes based on the type of characters you are, and some of his responses change too. I also hope Shepard gets to express more opinions, instead of just pushing the plot forward.

The most groundbreaking part was that Hawke actually displayed emotions over personal tragedies.

[emmanuelsieyes]

jlb524 wrote...

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

Talking to Liara through Shepard is a lot like playing the violin wearing oven mitts. I would much rather talk to Liara in the real world. However, that's not possible. So BioWare has to try and come up with as many reactions as possible. Generally, it works pretty well. The Liara romance is (generally) well written. My favorite parts are the Paragon interrupts right after the Tela Vasir boss fight (the PI right after the shadow broker boss fight is also quite good).

I don't see my Shepard as an avatar or extension of myself, so I have trouble getting into this mindset.

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
The FemShep/Liara dialogue is almost always very good IMHO, although I'm not an expert on relationship writing so take that with a grain of salt.

I think what makes it so good is the voice acting, actually...Hale and Hillis are awesome together.  The writing is okay...sometimes could be better.

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
I hate being mean to Liara, but I really want to know what 'death, most likely' comes out as.

I actually prefer that option to the blue kids one.  Just be careful to pick the top option after the 'death, most likely' one or bad things will happen.

As I recall Jennifer Hale and Ali Hillis are friends in real life. There was a video of them going some awards show together and they seemed to have a friendly rapport.

I try and avoid thinking of my Shepard as a self-insert. With that in mind, there's always some loss trying to translate a character alignment or what have you into the mass effect universe/gameplay.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Hopefully they take some elements of DA2, and put that into ME3. I really do like how Hawke's default dialogue changes based on the type of characters you are, and some of his responses change too. I also hope Shepard gets to express more opinions, instead of just pushing the plot forward.

The most groundbreaking part was that Hawke actually displayed emotions over personal tragedies.

There's still some elements like that with Shepard. If people died on the suicide mission, he reacted. Especially if an LI died. You can tell Kelly about what happened on Horizon, and say you miss Ash, but your friendship with her is in the past. You can talk to Tali about how you don't like working with Cerberus, but you don't believe you have a choice. You can say you're worried about Garrus. You can tell TIM how much you hate his ways. It's just that their wasn't a locker scene. Or their wasn't enough of Shepard expressing his point of view. The options were just lacking.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 avril 2011 - 07:40 .

[emmanuelsieyes]

A while back, someone posted a video (about 15 minutes long) - it was what Shepard was thinking right before she dies at the beginning of ME2. Does anyone remember the name of it? (I intended to watch it earlier, but i had things to do and now I've forgotten it).

[TheMarshal]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

A while back, someone posted a video (about 15 minutes long) - it was what Shepard was thinking right before she dies at the beginning of ME2. Does anyone remember the name of it? (I intended to watch it earlier, but i had things to do and now I've forgotten it).

Well, there's Time Orchid from datSilencer.  Not sure if that's what you meant, but I'll find any excuse to link that video!

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

Well, there's Time Orchid from datSilencer.  Not sure if that's what you meant, but I'll find any excuse to link that video!

That was... very haunting.

I'm not sure I can sum up just how it made me feel but it was beautifully put together. Quite the degree of skill and creative energy. I just... yeah, going to boomark that. 

Edited to say: I watched the other one they made as well. Whilst Liara can certainly dance, Shepard most definitely cannot. I think we already knew this though. >.> Both very well crafted videos, I have to say I'm impressed. Would love to see more machinima.

Modifié par centauri2002, 05 avril 2011 - 08:14 .

[JiGsAw2453]

jlb524 wrote...
She just now seems so detatched from everyone and everything around her.

That's because she was annoyed at Liara for being such a stranger, at least my Shepard was ;P

centauri2002 wrote...

Thank goodness for my imagination. 

It is a wonderful peice of kit

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

Heck yeah. Shepard hasn't had sexy times in two years! 

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

It was the first place I went to after it became available, if that's what you meant.

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

Life comes before love in this case I think If your Shepard doesn't care about humans, then maybe. But when the reapers arrived, you'd be... Well, dead because their "human reaper" plan would have succeeded, thus speeding the process up further

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

Heck yeah. Shepard hasn't had sexy times in two years! 

Heh. But for all Shepard knew at the time, would that no be an extremly akward reunion. Perhaps even somewhat insensitive?

Also that Cerberus connection would be hard to explain would it not?

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

Heck yeah. Shepard hasn't had sexy times in two years! 

Heh. But for all Shepard knew at the time, would that no be an extremly akward reunion. Perhaps even somewhat insensitive?

Also that Cerberus connection would be hard to explain would it not?

Plus, the 2 years would have felt like 2 seconds to Shepard anyway because she was dead

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

It was the first place I went to after it became available, if that's what you meant.

No, that is not what I really meant.

I don't know if people just say in some sort of joking way. But from a serious standpoint, for all Shepard knew at the time he woke up, wouldn't it be extremly insensitive just to show up at her doorstep after two years? Would it not be cruel to open up old wounds if she had moved on with her life and perhaps found someone else?

And then you have to explain the whole "I got rebuild by this evil orginasation" thing.

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

One thing I wonder off.

Would most people's Shepard in here rush off to Liara once they knew she was on Illium at the first opportunity? IF they had the option of course. Simply disregard Cerberus and the mission?

It was the first place I went to after it became available, if that's what you meant.

No, that is not what I really meant.

I don't know if people just say in some sort of joking way. But from a serious standpoint, for all Shepard knew at the time he woke up, wouldn't it be extremly insensitive just to show up at her doorstep after two years? Would it not be cruel to open up old wounds if she had moved on with her life and perhaps found someone else?

And then you have to explain the whole "I got rebuild by this evil orginasation" thing.

Cerberus told her they could rebuild Shep, so she was probably half expecting her to come back. She'd probably be happy to see Shep at her doorstep if not a little Shocked at first

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 05 avril 2011 - 11:04 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

Cerberus told her they could rebuild Shep, so she was probably half expecting her to come back. She'd probably be happy to see Shep at her doorstep if not a little ah ones at first

I know that. But seeing this from Shepard's viewpoint. Shepard did not know anything about the events of Redemption. All he knows is that he got killed and his old team disbanded, and since 2 years have gone by, most have moved on.

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

No, that is not what I really meant.

I don't know if people just say in some sort of joking way. But from a serious standpoint, for all Shepard knew at the time he woke up, wouldn't it be extremly insensitive just to show up at her doorstep after two years? Would it not be cruel to open up old wounds if she had moved on with her life and perhaps found someone else?

And then you have to explain the whole "I got rebuild by this evil orginasation" thing.

I always imagined Shepard having a difficult time reconciling that it had been two years since she died.  Even with every reminder of the amount of time that had passed (Horizon, the Council) there were other things that would make it seem like everything was still as it was (Joker, Chakwas, Garrus, Tali, etc.)

I honestly think that the last thing on her mind when she got to Illium was whether Liara had moved on with her life.  After everything that she'd gone through, she just wanted to see the person who (presumably) she loved.

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

Cerberus told her they could rebuild Shep, so she was probably half expecting her to come back. She'd probably be happy to see Shep at her doorstep if not a little ah ones at first

I know that. But seeing this from Shepard's viewpoint. Shepard did not know anything about the events of Redemption. All he knows is that he got killed and his old team disbanded, and since 2 years have gone by, most have moved on.

Maybe send her an email?

"hey Liara, I'm back baby!"

Lol :3

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

Heh. But for all Shepard knew at the time, would that no be an extremly akward reunion. Perhaps even somewhat insensitive?

Also that Cerberus connection would be hard to explain would it not?

I wasn't being serious. 

I'll try to avoid the silliness and answer properly. From my Shepard's perspective, no time has passed for her on an emotional level so she's probably not even processed what her death and absence will have done to Liara. All she knows is something bad has happened and she desperately wants to see if Liara is safe. I expect she'd be feeling quite selfish at that moment too, and after going through the traumatic process of death and rebirth, just wants to be comforted by the one she loves.

That's how my Shepard felt when she returned from the dead.

[JiGsAw2453]

centauri2002 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Heh. But for all Shepard knew at the time, would that no be an extremly akward reunion. Perhaps even somewhat insensitive?

Also that Cerberus connection would be hard to explain would it not?

I wasn't being serious. 

I'll try to avoid the silliness and answer properly. From my Shepard's perspective, no time has passed for her on an emotional level so she's probably not even processed what her death and absence will have done to Liara. All she knows is something bad has happened and she desperately wants to see if Liara is safe. I expect she'd be feeling quite selfish at that moment too, and after going through the traumatic process of death and rebirth, just wants to be comforted by the one she loves.

That's how my Shepard felt when she returned from the dead.

If I'd been dead for 2 years (never said that before ) and I knew where my girlfriend was, I wouldn't think twice about going to see her