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[JiGsAw2453]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

Here is the "Final" improved version of my FanFic (No Typos now, that I know of) 

Mass Effect: The Secret plot (Chapter 01 - A FemShep/Liara FanFic) 

Hope you guys and gals enjoy it! Let me know what you think 

Read it and submited a review

I'd love to know how you would have approached it if you'd gone with MShep?

Thanks

I'm not sure whether I would have gone into Shepard's emotions so much

[ZABL2010]

jlb524 “The purpose of this thread is to discuss Liara's character and her roles in ME1, ME2, and LotSB DLC, plus also speculate on her future role in ME3.
The authors of the game certainly managed to create quite realistic and attractive image of Liara T’Sony. Liara has become almost a literary character. Author’s luck - a demonstration of the changes of Liara's character in the game. From a recent student (ME1) up to the SB (LotSB DLC). Naturally, the main character in the game (ME3) (second plan after Shepard) will be Liara T'Sony. We created video film in the topic: of how changed the character of Liara. Including an episode of Rescue of the Body of Shepard. In order to comply with gender-correctness (the majority of plots of Liare's adventures associated with male-Shepard) in this video the main hero is Zena Shepard.
http://www.dailymoti...-1-3_videogames
Soundtrack of the story is built on a mix of some well-known masters of epic music: Two Steps from Hell, X-Ray Dogs, Inon Zur.

[Centauri2002]

ZABL2010 wrote...

jlb524 “The purpose of this thread is to discuss Liara's character and her roles in ME1, ME2, and LotSB DLC, plus also speculate on her future role in ME3.
The authors of the game certainly managed to create quite realistic and attractive image of Liara T’Sony. Liara has become almost a literary character. Author’s luck - a demonstration of the changes of Liara's character in the game. From a recent student (ME1) up to the SB (LotSB DLC). Naturally, the main character in the game (ME3) (second plan after Shepard) will be Liara T'Sony. We created video film in the topic: of how changed the character of Liara. Including an episode of Rescue of the Body of Shepard. In order to comply with gender-correctness (the majority of plots of Liare's adventures associated with male-Shepard) in this video the main hero is Zena Shepard.
http://www.dailymoti...-1-3_videogames
Soundtrack of the story is built on a mix of some well-known masters of epic music: Two Steps from Hell, X-Ray Dogs, Inon Zur.

Not a fantastic start that you misspelt her name, but I'll go watch anyway! 

Edit: Watched it. Loved the music and watching a FemShep/Liara video is always fun for me but I have a couple of criticisms. Hope you don't mind. It's a shame that most of the footage is a little bit sped up. Did you do that so you could fit all of it into the one file? Also, the clip transitions were a little disconcerting for me. A bit too quick and choppy, if you know what I mean. Other than that, I enjoyed watching it. Thanks for sharing. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 07 avril 2011 - 08:13 .

[JiGsAw2453]

centauri2002 wrote...
Not a fantastic start that you misspelt her name, but I'll go watch anyway! 

Haha it was like a secret advert for the PS3 version of ME2 :L

[ScorpSt]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

@ScorpSt I'm supprised you noticed them I only saw them because I was looking for them >.>

I mainly noticed that a lot of your dialogue ended without punctuation. It's probably because I tend to notice mistakes in my own work that I noticed yours. I don't feel like they detracted from anything though as they probably just would've been periods anyway, and those are the most boring of punctuation marks in the first place.

[PMC65]

My Shepard once awake from the 2 year nap starts off absolutely confused and in the arms of her percieved "enemy". Shepard's shields regarding Liara really go up when she asks Jacob Taylor about her crew and he says Liara by name. What? How does he know her? He says her by name but simply calls Tali the Quarian.

Then when Shep asks TIM about her crew and Liara is mentioned again I think it is almost too painful. Shep realizes that it has been two years and now Liara is living on Ilium working as an information broker. She has apparently moved on and I think Shep almost does not want to see her in case she also has found someone new. At least TIM didn't say she was a stripper on Omega or at Chora's Den ... sigh of relief.

Once Miranda's "get my kid sister" mission comes up my Shep dreads going to Ilium. She would not have went to Liara's place of employment that trip if the asari that greeted her had not said that Liara was looking forward to seeing her. Once she gets there and Liara seems cold my Shep just assumes that she has someone new and doesn't push the subject. I play Shep that way up to LotSB when she just can't stand it any longer. It doesn't help that both my Shep & Liara keep a tight control on what they think and feel at times. I always figured that both had a lot to say but feared being rejected by the other so they stayed "polite" in their conversations.

I also felt that TIM was trying to keep Shep focused on the mission and may not have known the true relationship between Shep & Liara. I don't see Liara opening up to strangers about her true feelings for Shep except to call her a "friend". TIM did tell Shep where Liara was located and while he did say that she "worked" for the Shadow Broker may have said that to protect Liara's true mission. After all, he does imply in the game that there may be "leaks" on board so he does not always fill me completely in on everything.

My question has always been "who in Cerebus sent the e-mail that helped Liara find the Shadow Broker?"

If I play LotSB before the SM I always think it is TIM. He wants Shep to be 100% focused on the mission and to ensure this ... well, he sees that Shep can help her friend before the final run. Friend happy, Shep focused. TIM would also have the foresight to see that Liara, given her personality & intelligence, would see the opportunity in taking over the ship & SB role.

If I play LotSB after the SM it still could be TIM, but it could also have been Miranda ... She did it to Jacob, why not Shep.

[JiGsAw2453]

ScorpSt wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

@ScorpSt I'm supprised you noticed them I only saw them because I was looking for them >.>

I mainly noticed that a lot of your dialogue ended without punctuation. It's probably because I tend to notice mistakes in my own work that I noticed yours. I don't feel like they detracted from anything though as they probably just would've been periods anyway, and those are the most boring of punctuation marks in the first place.

haha I'm just putting the periods in now, don't worry the story is still up

[Centauri2002]

@PMC: I really liked that interpretation of Shepard. You've made me want to write about that dynamic now. *resists the temptation*

[ZABL2010]

Fiddles_stix
«Just a general question; what would you think of there being an option where if Shep has stayed single in ME1 and 2 they can strike up a romance with Liara in ME3?»
If I was a co-writer, then of course possible romantic line with Liara. In any end of ME2 ... It would be very interesting. For example, Liara, with opportunities of the SB, saves Shepard. Perhaps - from the prison .... Meeting .... nostalgia for the past .... love
However, judging by ME1 and ME2, the authors of the game "did not insist” on any form of romantic relationships. We'll have to wait for ME3 ....

[TheMarshal]

PMC65 wrote...

My question has always been "who in Cerebus sent the e-mail that helped Liara find the Shadow Broker?"

If I play LotSB before the SM I always think it is TIM. He wants Shep to be 100% focused on the mission and to ensure this ... well, he sees that Shep can help her friend before the final run. Friend happy, Shep focused. TIM would also have the foresight to see that Liara, given her personality & intelligence, would see the opportunity in taking over the ship & SB role.

If I play LotSB after the SM it still could be TIM, but it could also have been Miranda ... She did it to Jacob, why not Shep.

First, I always do LotSB prior to the SM.  I look at it as Shepard's 'Loyalty Mission' - it's something that has to be done before she can focus fully on the mission at hand.  Second, I RP the LotSB email as something that Miranda did as a favor, partly for Shepard (since Miranda is slowly coming to realize and believe in Shepard's ability to do the impossible, as well as becoming increasingly disillusioned by Cerberus), but also partly for Liara and the sacrifice she made to get Shepard's body back.  I actually used all that that in Reasons, and (I know I'm biased, but) I think it makes everything a little more seamless than doing it AFTER the SM.

[Centauri2002]

I think you're right on that, Marshal, however I didn't have the choice to play LotSB before the SM for my main playthrough since I completed ME2 just after it was released. In my second playthrough, though, I've done the main missions of LotSB before the SM and am planning on returning to Liara after it's done. It's a nice epilogue for my renegade Shepard, I think, and it'll give her something personal to fight for. :3

[PMC65]

TheMarshal wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

My question has always been "who in Cerebus sent the e-mail that helped Liara find the Shadow Broker?"

If I play LotSB before the SM I always think it is TIM. He wants Shep to be 100% focused on the mission and to ensure this ... well, he sees that Shep can help her friend before the final run. Friend happy, Shep focused. TIM would also have the foresight to see that Liara, given her personality & intelligence, would see the opportunity in taking over the ship & SB role.

If I play LotSB after the SM it still could be TIM, but it could also have been Miranda ... She did it to Jacob, why not Shep.

First, I always do LotSB prior to the SM.  I look at it as Shepard's 'Loyalty Mission' - it's something that has to be done before she can focus fully on the mission at hand.  Second, I RP the LotSB email as something that Miranda did as a favor, partly for Shepard (since Miranda is slowly coming to realize and believe in Shepard's ability to do the impossible, as well as becoming increasingly disillusioned by Cerberus), but also partly for Liara and the sacrifice she made to get Shepard's body back.  I actually used all that that in Reasons, and (I know I'm biased, but) I think it makes everything a little more seamless than doing it AFTER the SM.

I haven't read any of the fan fic to be honest but I will check "Reasons" out. I just love how many interpretations there are in this community and how any and all could work given each player's life views & game play. In my story it is TIM that gives me the information but Miranda would absolutely work as well. Unless you were romancing her, then Miranda would delete the e-mail before she would write it. She also would have wanted to punch the asari greeter for even mentioning Liara. At least in my ME world. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...
First, I always do LotSB prior to the SM.  I look at it as Shepard's 'Loyalty Mission' - it's something that has to be done before she can focus fully on the mission at hand.  Second, I RP the LotSB email as something that Miranda did as a favor, partly for Shepard (since Miranda is slowly coming to realize and believe in Shepard's ability to do the impossible, as well as becoming increasingly disillusioned by Cerberus), but also partly for Liara and the sacrifice she made to get Shepard's body back.  I actually used all that that in Reasons, and (I know I'm biased, but) I think it makes everything a little more seamless than doing it AFTER the SM.

I never been a fan of doing LOTSB before the SM. Destroys the point of the picture scene and renders the ME2 maingame part moot regarding Liara and Shepard. More satisfying for Shepard to do it after the suicide mission after been through hell, loosing people and (possibly) making a deal with the devil himself.

[ScorpSt]

I came up with the best explanation I could for how Shepard got ahold of the Shadow Broker info post suicide mission in my FanFic. Basically, Cereberus sent a big data-burst just before the Normandy went through the Omega-4 relay. EDI filed it away because there wasn't time to deal with it. When the ship crashed on the base, the data was corrupted and EDI and Miranda have been working to recover the data.

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

I never been a fan of doing LOTSB before the SM. Destroys the point of the picture scene and renders the ME2 maingame part moot regarding Liara and Shepard. More satisfying for Shepard to do it after the suicide mission after been through hell, loosing people and (possibly) making a deal with the devil himself.

I think it changes the point of the picture scene (This is what I'm fighting for.  This is what I'm fighting to come back to.), but I wouldn't say it destroys it.

I suppose if I had ever played through ME2 before LotSB had even been released I might feel differently.

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

I think it changes the point of the picture scene (This is what I'm fighting for.  This is what I'm fighting to come back to.), but I wouldn't say it destroys it.

I suppose if I had ever played through ME2 before LotSB had even been released I might feel differently.

Not at all, that's how I see it too. 

If you leave the Normandy Liara scene until after the SM, they won't have rekindled their relationship so there is still a lot of longing in that look.

If you go through that scene before the SM, Shepard will be reflecting on what she has to lose.

It works for all of those reasons, I think.

Modifié par centauri2002, 07 avril 2011 - 09:51 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I never been a fan of doing LOTSB before the SM. Destroys the point of the picture scene and renders the ME2 maingame part moot regarding Liara and Shepard. More satisfying for Shepard to do it after the suicide mission after been through hell, loosing people and (possibly) making a deal with the devil himself.

I think it changes the point of the picture scene (This is what I'm fighting for.  This is what I'm fighting to come back to.), but I wouldn't say it destroys it.

I suppose if I had ever played through ME2 before LotSB had even been released I might feel differently.

I know. But "This is what i'm fighting for. This is what i'm fighting to come back to" is just not that powerful, the romance is secure and Liara is eagerly awaiting Shepard's return from the mission. If you did not do LOTSB, then the picture scene simply has more punch and emotions to it. Shepard shows that he still care and love Liara but displays sorrow and regret over how bad things went between them. There is a sense of insecurity on Shepard's side, wondering if there is anything left between them after all that has happend.

There is internal conflict and struggle.

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

I know. But "This is what i'm fighting for. This is what i'm fighting to come back to" is just not that powerful, the romance is secure and Liara is eagerly awaiting Shepard's return from the mission. If you did not do LOTSB, then the picture scene simply has more punch and emotions to it. Shepard shows that he still care and love Liara but displays sorrow and regret over how bad things went between them. There is a sense of insecurity on Shepard's side, wondering if there is anything left between them after all that has happend.

There is internal conflict and struggle.

I agree The picture scene is supposed to be an emotional scene about Shepard not really sure if Liara still has feelings for her. She gazes at the photo in hope, almost.

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 07 avril 2011 - 10:25 .

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

I know. But "This is what i'm fighting for. This is what i'm fighting to come back to" is just not that powerful, the romance is secure and Liara is eagerly awaiting Shepard's return from the mission. If you did not do LOTSB, then the picture scene simply has more punch and emotions to it. Shepard shows that he still care and love Liara but displays sorrow and regret over how bad things went between them. There is a sense of insecurity on Shepard's side, wondering if there is anything left between them after all that has happend.

There is internal conflict and struggle.

I see where you're coming from, but I feel that the idea that Shepard is going on what could very well be a suicide mission creates a lot of internal struggle and conflict, regardless of whether it's "Is there anything left between us" or "I just got her back, and now I could lose her again".

[Centauri2002]

I don't think there's any single correct interpretation of that picture scene either. It's very personal to the individual Shepard and we each take our own meaning from it.

[emmanuelsieyes]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I never been a fan of doing LOTSB before the SM. Destroys the point of the picture scene and renders the ME2 maingame part moot regarding Liara and Shepard. More satisfying for Shepard to do it after the suicide mission after been through hell, loosing people and (possibly) making a deal with the devil himself.

I think it changes the point of the picture scene (This is what I'm fighting for.  This is what I'm fighting to come back to.), but I wouldn't say it destroys it.

I suppose if I had ever played through ME2 before LotSB had even been released I might feel differently.

I know. But "This is what i'm fighting for. This is what i'm fighting to come back to" is just not that powerful, the romance is secure and Liara is eagerly awaiting Shepard's return from the mission. If you did not do LOTSB, then the picture scene simply has more punch and emotions to it. Shepard shows that he still care and love Liara but displays sorrow and regret over how bad things went between them. There is a sense of insecurity on Shepard's side, wondering if there is anything left between them after all that has happend.

There is internal conflict and struggle.

My very first playthrough, I didn't buy LoTSB until after the suicide mission. I wasn't really sure what to make of the picture scene. Considering that Liara's only dialogue was her quoting Indoc!Benezia and giving me some fetch quests, I thought Liara/Shepard were broken up.

My next playthrough, I played LoTSB-mission before the suicide mission, however, I wanted until after the SM to talk to Liara aboard the Normandy.

I don't expect Liara to be gushing over Shepard all of the time. I didn't mind how Liara was distant in the first meeting on Illium. I like how Shepard doesn't immediately get back with Liara. But I'd like to see some explanation for what the hell is going on. That first meeting on Illium makes a hell of a lot more sense with LoTSB.

Of course, I got into mass effect after LoTSB released. So after my first me2 playthrough, I could just go and buy it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...

I don't think there's any single correct interpretation of that picture scene either. It's very personal to the individual Shepard and we each take our own meaning from it.

Yeah. I'm not trying to prove your version is wrong.

only that..

[puts on sunglasses]

Mine is better!

YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

Yeah. I'm not trying to prove your version is wrong.

only that..

[puts on sunglasses]

Mine is better!

YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!

Eh...  you play manShep, so what do you know?   

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...


I see where you're coming from, but I feel that the idea that Shepard is going on what could very well be a suicide mission creates a lot of internal struggle and conflict, regardless of whether it's "Is there anything left between us" or "I just got her back, and now I could lose her again".

Maybe, but I guess that deep down on a metagaming level. I know Shepard is gonna make it out alive of the Collector base no matter what, so that question regarding if Shepard will return is slightly less dramatic.

And like I said. LOTSB become that much sweeter when Shepard has been through so much ****. It not only becomes Liara's source of carthasis, but also Shepard's in some part.