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[Centauri2002]

I think the emphasis was on Cerberus trying to kill Shepard. But, I suppose, that could be the deal as well.



ToTP Liara!

Modifié par centauri2002, 10 avril 2011 - 03:38 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

Anyone wonder if Cerberus is trying to capture Shepard and use her as a bargaining chip to the reapers? Maybe in return the reapers will leave the rest of humanity alive?

I hope not, this sort plan that would make me cringe at the Bioware writing team.

But not to interupt this interesting conversation, but aren't we moving dangerously off-topic?

[JiGsAw2453]

centauri2002 wrote...

I think the emphasis was on Cerberus trying to kill Shepard. But, I suppose, that could be the deal as well.

I think they have just sneaked into my house and read my ideas for my FanFic. ;P

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

Anyone wonder if Cerberus is trying to capture Shepard and use her as a bargaining chip to the reapers? Maybe in return the reapers will leave the rest of humanity alive?

I hope not, this sort plan that would make me cringe at the Bioware writing team.

But not to interupt this interesting conversation, but aren't we moving dangerously off-topic?

Goog point.

Yeah, so Liara... Shes... Blue.

[Centauri2002]

No, Lizard, I've been interjecting Liara pictures into the conversation. We're still on topic, honest!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

Goog point.

Yeah, so Liara... Shes... Blue.

To combine Liara into the topic. If Shepard was indeed implanted with Reaper-technology. Do  you think Liara's guilt over handing the body over again will resurfaces again? And will it be the major "source of conflict/angst" in the relationship?

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

To combine Liara into the topic. If Shepard was indeed implanted with Reaper-technology. Do  you think Liara's guilt over handing the body over again will resurfaces again? And will it be the major "source of conflict/angst" in the relationship?

Probably, yes. Especially if it affects her badly in the game, thats saying that it is true though.

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 10 avril 2011 - 03:57 .

[Centauri2002]

That depends on how Shepard deals with it, I think. If she is angry about it, then it'll likely be a source of tension. If she brushes it off like she could have done with handing over her body, then I don't see it being much of an issue between them. Depending on the consequences of the implants though, then I see Liara struggling with the guilt.

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centauri2002 wrote...

That depends on how Shepard deals with it, I think. If she is angry about it, then it'll likely be a source of tension. If she brushes it off like she could have done with handing over her body, then I don't see it being much of an issue between them. Depending on the consequences of the implants though, then I see Liara struggling with the guilt.

It is true that alot of the tension depends on on how Shepard react, but remember that there are still other characters, and they got opions too. So while Shepard might forgive her, other characters might be more angry at her.

And as stated. Depending on how bad those implants affect Shepard. It could easily be a soul-crushing moment for Liara when she realise the price Shepard has to pay for being alive.

[Centauri2002]

True, I hadn't taken other characters into consideration. I'm sure some won't react too well to that knowledge. I'd like to hear some of the other crew's opinions on Liara handing her body over in the first place, actually.

Aww, now I'm all sad thinking about Liara agonising over it. D:

[jlb524]

I can't blame Liara much for this though....she took a risk by handing the body to Cerberus but what other option was there?

The only other option was to bury Shepard's body. Unless you don't think bringing Shepard back from the brink of death was a good idea.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

I can't blame Liara much for this though....she took a risk by handing the body to Cerberus but what other option was there?

The only other option was to bury Shepard's body. Unless you don't think bringing Shepard back from the brink of death was a good idea.

Some of the other characters may not see it that way, or have some sort of emotional response when they just hear about it.

[Centauri2002]

No argument would hold up against Liara's decision really. Yes, things could have turned out differently and some kind of Shepenstein could have been created, but they didn't. It worked out well for Shepard, for her LI, and for the galaxy. No one can really complain. >.>

jib, your sig banner just made me think... I would really like to see Liara doing some actual archaeological work. Not exactly dramatic (unless she uncovers something important) but I'd be interested to see what kind of archaeologist she is.

Modifié par centauri2002, 10 avril 2011 - 04:48 .

[emmanuelsieyes]

centauri2002 wrote...

No argument would hold up against Liara's decision really. Yes, things could have turned out differently and some kind of Shepenstein could have been created, but they didn't. It worked out well for Shepard, for her LI, and for the galaxy. No one can really complain. >.>

jib, your sig banner just made me think... I would really like to see Liara doing some actual archaeological work. Not exactly dramatic (unless she uncovers something important) but I'd be interested to see what kind of archaeologist she is.

My thinking is that she specializes in studying Prothean industry - specifically element zero refining.

I have several reasons for this.

The Prothean empire covered the entire galaxy - therefore, their shipbuilding resources were immense. Building large vessels requires large amounts of element zero.

Historically, most major cities have sprung up around trade routes. Moving materials through space is expensive, even with the mass relay system. It follows that major trade centers would have local shipbuilding industries, so that companies didn't have to fly around empty vessels, which would be a waste of fuel.

Prothean society was very different - however, they were still stuck with the same periodic table of elements. Generally, most cultures are going to use similar materials to build starships. Structural metals from asteroids, etc. However, in the ME universe, starships require an eezo core to use the mass relay system.

Eezo refining is a nasty business - it produces toxic pollutants. However, this is actually good for archeaologists, since it's easy to identify old Prothean eezo processing plants by the unique chemical signature left behind.

The disadvantage with studying an advanced society like the Protheans is that they didn't use paper or stone tablets - all of the magnetic and optical storage is long gone by now. However, Prothean trade depots are the best place to try and find other Prothean artifacts. Not to mention that they would need some kind of customs system to regulate trade. Government regulation also plays a large part in interstellar commerce. Hunting down old Prothean trade facilities is actually a very efficient way to get information about their society.

At least, that's my take upon it.

This theory also fits into the canon - we find Liara on Therum, which is a mining world. My justification for Liara being on Therum is that she is exploring a Prothean refining facility. Notice how Therum is highly rich in metals, and contains many Prothean ruins. However, Therum is also extremely hot, and has no biosphere. This is ideal for shipbuilding - pollution is not much of a concern since the planet is barren of any life.

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 10 avril 2011 - 05:25 .

[IndigoWolfe]

I saw some new scans of the ME3 article that showed Liara being a squadmate, fighting at Shepard's side.Sure, it's already been confirmed, but it never hurts to have real visual confirmation.

[IndigoWolfe]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

The Prothean empire covered the entire galaxy - therefore, their shipbuilding resources were immense. Building large vessels requires large amounts of element zero.

Historically, most major cities have sprung up around trade routes. Moving materials through space is expensive, even with the mass relay system. It follows that major trade centers would have local shipbuilding industries, so that companies didn't have to fly around empty vessels, which would be a waste of fuel.

Prothean society was very different - however, they were still stuck with the same periodic table of elements. Generally, most cultures are going to use similar materials to build starships. Structural metals from asteroids, etc. However, in the ME universe, starships require an eezo core to use the mass relay system.

Eezo refining is a nasty business - it produces toxic pollutants. However, this is actually good for archeaologists, since it's easy to identify old Prothean eezo processing plants by the unique chemical signature left behind.

The disadvantage with studying an advanced society like the Protheans is that they didn't use paper or stone tablets - all of the magnetic and optical storage is long gone by now. However, Prothean trade depots are the best place to try and find other Prothean artifacts. Not to mention that they would need some kind of customs system to regulate trade. Government regulation also plays a large part in interstellar commerce. Hunting down old Prothean trade facilities is actually a very efficient way to get information about their society.

At least, that's my take upon it.

This theory also fits into the canon - we find Liara on Therum, which is a mining world. My justification for Liara being on Therum is that she is exploring a Prothean refining facility. Notice how Therum is highly rich in metals, and contains many Prothean ruins. However, Therum is also extremely hot, and has no biosphere. This is ideal for shipbuilding - pollution is not much of a concern since the planet is barren of any life.

Extremely well thought-out post.

[Centauri2002]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

My thinking is that she specializes in studying Prothean industry - specifically element zero refining.

I have several reasons for this.

The Prothean empire covered the entire galaxy - therefore, their shipbuilding resources were immense. Building large vessels requires large amounts of element zero.

Historically, most major cities have sprung up around trade routes. Moving materials through space is expensive, even with the mass relay system. It follows that major trade centers would have local shipbuilding industries, so that companies didn't have to fly around empty vessels, which would be a waste of fuel.

Prothean society was very different - however, they were still stuck with the same periodic table of elements. Generally, most cultures are going to use similar materials to build starships. Structural metals from asteroids, etc. However, in the ME universe, starships require an eezo core to use the mass relay system.

Eezo refining is a nasty business - it produces toxic pollutants. However, this is actually good for archeaologists, since it's easy to identify old Prothean eezo processing plants by the unique chemical signature left behind.

The disadvantage with studying an advanced society like the Protheans is that they didn't use paper or stone tablets - all of the magnetic and optical storage is long gone by now. However, Prothean trade depots are the best place to try and find other Prothean artifacts. Not to mention that they would need some kind of customs system to regulate trade. Government regulation also plays a large part in interstellar commerce. Hunting down old Prothean trade facilities is actually a very efficient way to get information about their society.

At least, that's my take upon it.

This theory also fits into the canon - we find Liara on Therum, which is a mining world. My justification for Liara being on Therum is that she is exploring a Prothean refining facility. Notice how Therum is highly rich in metals, and contains many Prothean ruins. However, Therum is also extremely hot, and has no biosphere. This is ideal for shipbuilding - pollution is not much of a concern since the planet is barren of any life.

You seem to have thought about this a lot. 

That all makes sense and is very interesting.

I can't say much about her specialisation, although I'm fairly certain she wouldn't just focus on one aspect of Prothean culture even though it's quite possible she considers herself an expert in certain areas, whilst merely knowledgable in others.

I was thinking more about how she approached dig sites, cataloguing, analysis and research. The manner in which archaeologists do their work says a lot about us as people. I've found that, anyway. I'd quite like to know Liara's specialisations as well though. The areas she chooses to focus on will also reveal more about her as a person.

[JiGsAw2453]

I think the galaxy would agree that Liara made the right choice bringing Shepard back. Without her the human reaper would not have been destroyed and that on it's own would have probably destroyed many colonies.

[emmanuelsieyes]

centauri2002 wrote...

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

My thinking is that she specializes in studying Prothean industry - specifically element zero refining.

I have several reasons for this.

The Prothean empire covered the entire galaxy - therefore, their shipbuilding resources were immense. Building large vessels requires large amounts of element zero.

Historically, most major cities have sprung up around trade routes. Moving materials through space is expensive, even with the mass relay system. It follows that major trade centers would have local shipbuilding industries, so that companies didn't have to fly around empty vessels, which would be a waste of fuel.

Prothean society was very different - however, they were still stuck with the same periodic table of elements. Generally, most cultures are going to use similar materials to build starships. Structural metals from asteroids, etc. However, in the ME universe, starships require an eezo core to use the mass relay system.

Eezo refining is a nasty business - it produces toxic pollutants. However, this is actually good for archeaologists, since it's easy to identify old Prothean eezo processing plants by the unique chemical signature left behind.

The disadvantage with studying an advanced society like the Protheans is that they didn't use paper or stone tablets - all of the magnetic and optical storage is long gone by now. However, Prothean trade depots are the best place to try and find other Prothean artifacts. Not to mention that they would need some kind of customs system to regulate trade. Government regulation also plays a large part in interstellar commerce. Hunting down old Prothean trade facilities is actually a very efficient way to get information about their society.

At least, that's my take upon it.

This theory also fits into the canon - we find Liara on Therum, which is a mining world. My justification for Liara being on Therum is that she is exploring a Prothean refining facility. Notice how Therum is highly rich in metals, and contains many Prothean ruins. However, Therum is also extremely hot, and has no biosphere. This is ideal for shipbuilding - pollution is not much of a concern since the planet is barren of any life.

You seem to have thought about this a lot. 

That all makes sense and is very interesting.

I can't say much about her specialisation, although I'm fairly certain she wouldn't just focus on one aspect of Prothean culture even though it's quite possible she considers herself an expert in certain areas, whilst merely knowledgable in others.

I was thinking more about how she approached dig sites, cataloguing, analysis and research. The manner in which archaeologists do their work says a lot about us as people. I've found that, anyway. I'd quite like to know Liara's specialisations as well though. The areas she chooses to focus on will also reveal more about her as a person.

I think what this comes down to is a background thing. I have an idea of _what_ Liara would be studying pre-ME (my previous post is essentially the plot of mah fanfic), however, since I'm not an archeaologist, I don't have much to say regarding the process (although, I've got nothing against inventing something).

What I'm working on now is 'inventing' a character that will serve as an advisor to young!liara, someone who has the experience. With luck I should be writing Liara's first dig by the end of the week, though I will make sure to describe her process.

[Centauri2002]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...

I think what this comes down to is a background thing. I have an idea of _what_ Liara would be studying pre-ME (my previous post is essentially the plot of mah fanfic), however, since I'm not an archeaologist, I don't have much to say regarding the process (although, I've got nothing against inventing something).

What I'm working on now is 'inventing' a character that will serve as an advisor to young!liara, someone who has the experience. With luck I should be writing Liara's first dig by the end of the week, though I will make sure to describe her process.

I know how I would approach the study of the Protheans and how my process would work but I'm not sure about Liara. For one, archaeological processes will have changed with new technology. I'd love to know what kind of advances will have been made and what the asari themselves had added to the field. A large factor in archaeology is interpretation and her upbringing and race will have coloured the way she sees things, so I can't really apply my own archaeological experiences to her as a character. It's a tricky situation.

I'm looking forward to how you describe those processes. :3

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I can't blame Liara much for this though....she took a risk by handing the body to Cerberus but what other option was there?

The only other option was to bury Shepard's body. Unless you don't think bringing Shepard back from the brink of death was a good idea.

Some of the other characters may not see it that way, or have some sort of emotional response when they just hear about it.

I know, but (with a cooler head) would any of them prefer the alternative?

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jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I can't blame Liara much for this though....she took a risk by handing the body to Cerberus but what other option was there?

The only other option was to bury Shepard's body. Unless you don't think bringing Shepard back from the brink of death was a good idea.

Some of the other characters may not see it that way, or have some sort of emotional response when they just hear about it.

I know, but (with a cooler head) would any of them prefer the alternative?

Nope. Unless they are fools of course.

[IndigoWolfe]

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I can't blame Liara much for this though....she took a risk by handing the body to Cerberus but what other option was there?

The only other option was to bury Shepard's body. Unless you don't think bringing Shepard back from the brink of death was a good idea.

Some of the other characters may not see it that way, or have some sort of emotional response when they just hear about it.

I know, but (with a cooler head) would any of them prefer the alternative?

Maybe. I can't imagine everyone would like the idea of Cerberus being the one to do it.

[jlb524]

As for what Liara has studied, all we know is that her interests lie with the Prothean extinction question. It's possible that she was familiar with their industry but I don't think this was her sole focus. It seems as if her Ph.D. work and subsequent papers focused on developing a theory that would explain the sudden disappearance of such an advanced race as the Protheans. Thus, I think she studied anything in regards to the Prothean pre-extinction era....industry would be one part of that.

Also, I believe Therum was a human mining colony and it appears the miners found an old Prothean substructure within one of the mines and then Liara's archaeological team investigated. Therum is actually littered with Prothan ruins, according to the codex. Now I wonder why a team headed by an asari was given rights to study them? Unless they've already been picked over by human lead teams...I don't know.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

I still don't get why Cerberus wants Shep dead.... ok the CB goes kablewy in all my files...but still......

you need me THEN you kill me..... can't wait till AFTER the Reapers??!

Yeah. It is the only things about ME3 that is giving me a headache.

Same here. You'd think that, since TIM knows that without Shepard there can be no victory, he would at least wait before trying to kill Shepard until the reapers are gone. Definately not attack Shepard while the reapers are at their doorstep. Maybe they all got indoctrinated somehow though, much like the good doctor from arrival.

Also, I believe Therum was a human mining colony and it appears the miners found an old Prothean substructure within one of the mines and then Liara's archaeological team investigated. Therum is actually littered with Prothan ruins, according to the codex. Now I wonder why a team headed by an asari was given rights to study them

I believe Liara stated rather clearly she's been working alone for the past 50 years. There was nothing to indicate Liara worked with a whole team and she states she isn't used dealing with people. Leads me to conclude Liara has been studying them by herself.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 10 avril 2011 - 07:04 .