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[jlb524]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

To add about the details about the GI article, not only do we play with Liara, but if I read it correctly, we get to "play as" Liara as well. I think that might have been overlooked if I am not mistaken.

The article said she (and some others) would be 'playable' to some extent, correct?

It could mean you control her at some point, but I just don't see them doing that in a Mass Effect game.  Or, maybe so, given you had to control Joker for a brief period of time in ME2...idunno.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

The article said she (and some others) would be 'playable' to some extent, correct?

It could mean you control her at some point, but I just don't see them doing that in a Mass Effect game.  Or, maybe so, given you had to control Joker for a brief period of time in ME2...idunno.

Like helping her escape the Shadow Broker base as it's being destroyed?  >.>

[Robhuzz]

jlb524 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

To add about the details about the GI article, not only do we play with Liara, but if I read it correctly, we get to "play as" Liara as well. I think that might have been overlooked if I am not mistaken.

The article said she (and some others) would be 'playable' to some extent, correct?

It could mean you control her at some point, but I just don't see them doing that in a Mass Effect game.  Or, maybe so, given you had to control Joker for a brief period of time in ME2...idunno.

It would provide a solution to the side quest problem (IE it's unrealistic to have a bunch of side quests which involve helping people or clearing out some bandits mercenaries while your home planet is being destroyed). To increase play time BioWare could add several 'in the meantime' missions where you play with another character while Shepard is on his/her way to another citadel race' home planet.

I expect the shadow broker's base to be attacked sooner or later, would be both great and dramatic if you played as Liara, with Feron as your only squadmember at the time and you'd have to get out to an escape shuttle (with potentially Feron getting killed)  -- No hate for Feron, it would just add some drama a game like ME needs (Liara herself getting killed is not an option of course)

Modifié par Robhuzz, 13 avril 2011 - 04:41 .

[kumquats]

^ That would be my favourite mission in Mass Effect!

Modifié par kumquats, 13 avril 2011 - 06:07 .

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

To add about the details about the GI article, not only do we play with Liara, but if I read it correctly, we get to "play as" Liara as well. I think that might have been overlooked if I am not mistaken.

The article said she (and some others) would be 'playable' to some extent, correct?

It could mean you control her at some point, but I just don't see them doing that in a Mass Effect game.  Or, maybe so, given you had to control Joker for a brief period of time in ME2...idunno.

Hey J!!!

Yes it said that, I just wanted to be sure myself I didn't miss-read that. That would be an intereseting turn of tactics for BioWare.

[RolandX9]

Odd thought: Liara's been confirmed for ME3 in GI. Shepard's on trial for what happened in Arrival (whether we bought it or not, boo hiss). I wonder if she (and maybe Garrus and/or the VS?) will be in the court room, publicly or incognito, watching the trial, ready to extract Shepard in case of injustice? This would be especially sweet/funny if you get to have an argument with her about it before the Reapers arrive: "Da*n it, Liara, I chose to do this!" "You promised me, Shepard. You promised to live. They want to execute you for 'killing' people who were already doomed!"

*ahem* Anyway, I wonder if that would work out to give you a squadmate at the beginning besides Col. Sanders when the hungry hungry Reapers show up. Basically, a bunch of bad guys think you're easy pickings with your hands cuffed...and then your Violently Protective Girlfriend slaps a singularity on their a**es. Probably wishful thinking, but Goddess I would love this. "Thoughts?"

Modifié par RolandX9, 13 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[TheMarshal]

If Liara does anything regarding the trial in ME3, it will be from the Shadow Broker's base. She knows that's where she's going to be most useful in the grand scheme of things. I don't doubt that she and Shepard will have a 'talk' before or after the trial regarding Shepard's actions.

I'm guessing your first squad will be VS + Sanders (or another Jenkins), and things will take off from there. Not sure how the SR2 crew will fit in to everything, though...

[TMA LIVE]

From the pictures, it seems she'll be around when Cerberus is out to get you. Wonder if it's on Earth? If so, did she come for the trail? Or to simply warn Shepard about Cerberus?

[TheMarshal]

I wouldn't trust any gameplay footage this far out. What we're seeing are probably just alpha-level tests for established (Liara in her LotSB armor) and new (Kaidan in his new getup) models.

[IndigoWolfe]

TMA LIVE wrote...

From the pictures, it seems she'll be around when Cerberus is out to get you. Wonder if it's on Earth? If so, did she come for the trail? Or to simply warn Shepard about Cerberus?

I don't think that was Earth because I doubt that Cerberus would be trying to kill Shepard in the middle of a Reaper invasion.

They're imbeciles, but not to that degree.

[TheMarshal]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I don't think that was Earth because I doubt that Cerberus would be trying to kill Shepard in the middle of a Reaper invasion.

They're imbeciles, but not to that degree.

Do not doubt the depths of you-manity's stupidity!

[IndigoWolfe]

TheMarshal wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I don't think that was Earth because I doubt that Cerberus would be trying to kill Shepard in the middle of a Reaper invasion.

They're imbeciles, but not to that degree.

Do not doubt the depths of you-manity's stupidity!

I laughed.

I am so glad I'm not the only one who hears that!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

From the pictures, it seems she'll be around when Cerberus is out to get you. Wonder if it's on Earth? If so, did she come for the trail? Or to simply warn Shepard about Cerberus?

I don't think that was Earth because I doubt that Cerberus would be trying to kill Shepard [i]in the middle of a Reaper invasion.

They're imbeciles, but not to that degree.

I would not put it past Bioware to hand Cerberus the idiot ball in ME3.

TheMarshal wrote...

Do not doubt the depths of you-manity's stupidity!

Nice little pun!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 13 avril 2011 - 08:10 .

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Asking her why she is hunting the SB is not mandotory (and picking the option derails the scene). When you don't ask Liara about it. All Shepard knows is that Liara is hunting the SB for some reason including a "friend", and that vendetta is more important than helping Shepard. Couple that with her acting cold and distant and I think picking the lower options makes much more sense, and feels more real as Shepard displays that he is angry/upset at the situation.

Right, but when you start LotSB, regardless of your dialogue choices from earlier, she tells you why she's hunting him.  And that, I feel, totally makes the "about us" line after killing Vasir, or any lingering anger Shepard may be feeling that much more selfish and childish, which isn't how I want to RP those events.

Maybe it is somewhat selfish, and I think that is fine actually. Let me explain.

The way I RP it. LOTSB takes place after the suicide mission, Shepard never got the truth from Liara regarding his body being given to Cerberus back on Illium, and things went sour between them, with a few angry words thrown at each other. So the whole thing has pretty much eaten away at him, so have they broken up now? Is there still something between them or is it over?  So when he finally recieves the intel from Cerberus he heads over for two reasons. One being to help Liara, and the second thing is hopefully being able to finally get some closure.

So yeah. That is how I understand the "About us" line. Shepard wants to know where they stand and is getting frustrated with Liara dancing around the subject, so he confronts her about it after the fight with Vasir.

Is that selfish? Maybe, but not something I would condemn Shepard to an eternity in hell for.

Lizardviking ... I also feel that it doesn't "fit" when she tells you what & why regarding your body pre-LotSB, since the dialogue just seems to stop. It feels like this to me - Liara: "I loved you so much ..." Shep: "I gotta go". I guess that would be fine if Liara wasn't my LI.

Without the exchange it allows me to RP my Shepard as angry and frustrated up to when she goes to Liara's home and sees her armor in a case. Now add confusion, why would this new "ice queen" have her armor? Then when Liara doesn't even stop to check on Shep after the fight & fall with the Asari Spectre my Shep is back to WTF? I love how my "always in control" Shep feels throughout the DLC. "She loves me, she loves me not". If I allow the "I couldn't let you go" bit then it takes away from the inner struggle for me. That and my Shep would not have left Ilium and the Reapers would found their return a cake walk. Ah yes, "reapers". 

[XX55XX]

I'm certain Liara might be monitoring the trial from her base. Perhaps she might even provide the avenue of escape once Earth is attacked by the Reapers, perhaps, by feeding Shepard vital intelligence on how to escape the planet discreetly.

It'll be nice to have Liara as a squadmate again. Now only if they could do the same and confirm Tali...

Modifié par XX55XX, 13 avril 2011 - 08:46 .

[Centauri2002]

Yep, it's most likely she'll be watching the trial unfold from the Shadow Broker's base.

I'm looking forward to seeing just how playable she'll be. A little section with only her escaping the SB base would be fantastic. :3

@XX55XX: Oh, come on, they're going to include Tali. She's a LI, I'm fairly sure all the LIs will be back. If they survived ME2, that is. If Garrus is back as a squad member, Tali will be.

Modifié par centauri2002, 13 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Asking her why she is hunting the SB is not mandotory (and picking the option derails the scene). When you don't ask Liara about it. All Shepard knows is that Liara is hunting the SB for some reason including a "friend", and that vendetta is more important than helping Shepard. Couple that with her acting cold and distant and I think picking the lower options makes much more sense, and feels more real as Shepard displays that he is angry/upset at the situation.

Right, but when you start LotSB, regardless of your dialogue choices from earlier, she tells you why she's hunting him.  And that, I feel, totally makes the "about us" line after killing Vasir, or any lingering anger Shepard may be feeling that much more selfish and childish, which isn't how I want to RP those events.

Maybe it is somewhat selfish, and I think that is fine actually. Let me explain.

The way I RP it. LOTSB takes place after the suicide mission, Shepard never got the truth from Liara regarding his body being given to Cerberus back on Illium, and things went sour between them, with a few angry words thrown at each other. So the whole thing has pretty much eaten away at him, so have they broken up now? Is there still something between them or is it over?  So when he finally recieves the intel from Cerberus he heads over for two reasons. One being to help Liara, and the second thing is hopefully being able to finally get some closure.

So yeah. That is how I understand the "About us" line. Shepard wants to know where they stand and is getting frustrated with Liara dancing around the subject, so he confronts her about it after the fight with Vasir.

Is that selfish? Maybe, but not something I would condemn Shepard to an eternity in hell for.

Lizardviking ... I also feel that it doesn't "fit" when she tells you what & why regarding your body pre-LotSB, since the dialogue just seems to stop. It feels like this to me - Liara: "I loved you so much ..." Shep: "I gotta go". I guess that would be fine if Liara wasn't my LI.

Without the exchange it allows me to RP my Shepard as angry and frustrated up to when she goes to Liara's home and sees her armor in a case. Now add confusion, why would this new "ice queen" have her armor? Then when Liara doesn't even stop to check on Shep after the fight & fall with the Asari Spectre my Shep is back to WTF? I love how my "always in control" Shep feels throughout the DLC. "She loves me, she loves me not". If I allow the "I couldn't let you go" bit then it takes away from the inner struggle for me. That and my Shep would not have left Ilium and the Reapers would found their return a cake walk. Ah yes, "reapers". 

That is exactly my problem with taking the option that leads to "I couldn't let you go". No matter what, Shepard acts COMPLETLY out-of-character. Either through giving the most dumb and "I'm a **** with no emotions" forgiveness. Or Shepard can be pissed off and feel betrayed, but then Liara just gives a quick response and then shrugs it off. And then Shepardalso just drops it (thereby acting OOC). But you are also true about  that if Shepard was able to make a decent respond to "I could not let you go", then it would suck alot of the drama and inner struggle from LOTSB.

As for the other part. Maybe it is selfish for Shepard to demand an answer? But I personally do not have a problem with Shepard confronting Liara about it.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

From the pictures, it seems she'll be around when Cerberus is out to get you. Wonder if it's on Earth? If so, did she come for the trail? Or to simply warn Shepard about Cerberus?

I don't think that was Earth because I doubt that Cerberus would be trying to kill Shepard [i]in the middle of a Reaper invasion.

They're imbeciles, but not to that degree.

I would not put it past Bioware to hand Cerberus the idiot ball in ME3.

The reason why I think it might be from the Earth attack is that there's a screenshot of a Cerberus dude breaking through Shepard's Cabin window (I knew that window was a bad idea. Especially for the Captian's Bedroom). Unless his bedroom in the new version is going to be the same.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 13 avril 2011 - 09:00 .

[Centauri2002]

I'm fairly certain the SR2 will be the main ship in ME3. Tricia Helfer is reprising her role as EDI so, unless they move her over to another ship, we'll be travelling in the old one. I wonder how quickly they'll repair that window then. >.>

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

The reason why I think it might be from the Earth attack is that there's a screenshot of a Cerberus dude breaking through Shepard's Cabin window (I knew that window was a bad idea. Especially for the Captian's Bedroom). Unless his bedroom in the new version is going to be the same.

But the Alliance confiscate the SR-2 as soon as Shepard lands on Earth don't they? They even re-design the ship's insides. I could imagine them fixing all those windows given their more practical aproach compared to Cerberus having more of a  James bond Villain thing going for them.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 13 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Asking her why she is hunting the SB is not mandotory (and picking the option derails the scene). When you don't ask Liara about it. All Shepard knows is that Liara is hunting the SB for some reason including a "friend", and that vendetta is more important than helping Shepard. Couple that with her acting cold and distant and I think picking the lower options makes much more sense, and feels more real as Shepard displays that he is angry/upset at the situation.

Right, but when you start LotSB, regardless of your dialogue choices from earlier, she tells you why she's hunting him.  And that, I feel, totally makes the "about us" line after killing Vasir, or any lingering anger Shepard may be feeling that much more selfish and childish, which isn't how I want to RP those events.

Maybe it is somewhat selfish, and I think that is fine actually. Let me explain.

The way I RP it. LOTSB takes place after the suicide mission, Shepard never got the truth from Liara regarding his body being given to Cerberus back on Illium, and things went sour between them, with a few angry words thrown at each other. So the whole thing has pretty much eaten away at him, so have they broken up now? Is there still something between them or is it over?  So when he finally recieves the intel from Cerberus he heads over for two reasons. One being to help Liara, and the second thing is hopefully being able to finally get some closure.

So yeah. That is how I understand the "About us" line. Shepard wants to know where they stand and is getting frustrated with Liara dancing around the subject, so he confronts her about it after the fight with Vasir.

Is that selfish? Maybe, but not something I would condemn Shepard to an eternity in hell for.

Lizardviking ... I also feel that it doesn't "fit" when she tells you what & why regarding your body pre-LotSB, since the dialogue just seems to stop. It feels like this to me - Liara: "I loved you so much ..." Shep: "I gotta go". I guess that would be fine if Liara wasn't my LI.

Without the exchange it allows me to RP my Shepard as angry and frustrated up to when she goes to Liara's home and sees her armor in a case. Now add confusion, why would this new "ice queen" have her armor? Then when Liara doesn't even stop to check on Shep after the fight & fall with the Asari Spectre my Shep is back to WTF? I love how my "always in control" Shep feels throughout the DLC. "She loves me, she loves me not". If I allow the "I couldn't let you go" bit then it takes away from the inner struggle for me. That and my Shep would not have left Ilium and the Reapers would found their return a cake walk. Ah yes, "reapers". 

That is exactly my problem with taking the option that leads to "I couldn't let you go". No matter what, Shepard acts COMPLETLY out-of-character. Either through giving the most dumb and "I'm a **** with no emotions" forgiveness. Or Shepard can be pissed off and feel betrayed, but then Liara just gives a quick response and then shrugs it off. And then Shepardalso just drops it (thereby acting OOC). But you are also true about  that if Shepard was able to make a decent respond to "I could not let you go", then it would suck alot of the drama and inner struggle from LOTSB.

As for the other part. Maybe it is selfish for Shepard to demand an answer? But I personally do not have a problem with Shepard confronting Liara about it.

If anyone has the right to be a little "selfish" than it would be our Shepard. I had my brother play mass effect  and he couldn't get over how everyone "wanted something from the poor guy. No matter who you talk to, even strangers on the street, they want him to help them." Everywhere you turn there is someone needing the Shep's assistance so if he/she wants something (hell anything) for her/himself ... well, then I say "Opa"! And my Shep wants Liara. That cold, determined & aloof Asari who has "things to do".

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...

If anyone has the right to be a little "selfish" than it would be our Shepard. I had my brother play mass effect  and he couldn't get over how everyone "wanted something from the poor guy. No matter who you talk to, even strangers on the street, they want him to help them." Everywhere you turn there is someone needing the Shep's assistance so if he/she wants something (hell anything) for her/himself ... well, then I say "Opa"! And my Shep wants Liara. That cold, determined & aloof Asari who has "things to do".

Yep. It is kinda funny how many people ask for Shepard's help but does not even stop for second to ask how he is doing or if he needs anything. Come on people! Give the guy a break!

[Centauri2002]

That's the RPG for you. The poor protagonist is always being asked to do things.

But you're right. Shepard should be allowed to be selfish on occasion and also to be emotional sometimes. A private moment here and there shouldn't be denied just because she's a hero and is the saviour of the galaxy. She's only human, after all.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...
But you're right. Shepard should be allowed to be selfish on occasion and also to be emotional sometimes. A private moment here and there shouldn't be denied just because she's a hero and is the saviour of the galaxy. She's only human, after all.

Glad to see people agreeing with me.

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...
But you're right. Shepard should be allowed to be selfish on occasion and also to be emotional sometimes. A private moment here and there shouldn't be denied just because she's a hero and is the saviour of the galaxy. She's only human, after all.

Glad to see people agreeing with me.

At the end of LotSB where Liara asks Shepard how he/she really feels or when Dr. Chakwas asks what Shepard thinks are "priceless".