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[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

Why the need for a child with Liara?
Liara is in the Maiden ("Teenage") stage of her life and should be exploring and learning at this time. That is why I think she gives a little laugh when Shep mentions blue babies.
She is about 200+ years from the age of Matron ("nesting") stage so why would Shepard who is a blip in her life leave her 14 & pregnant if you will?

Because Shepard isn't going to be around when Liara will be old enough for the traditional matron stage. Besides, the matron stage can be brought on earlier if an asari is... active in that regard. And she will be with Shepard, no doubt. 

I'm sure Liara is going to want to create a life with Shepard eventually and she has a somewhat limited time period to do that in. Plus, we're also pushing our own beliefs onto this pairing. The perceived peak of a relationship is marriage with children. It's a societal norm (not one I necessarily agree with). So I think it's only natural for people to want to see that climax in Shepard and Liara's relationship. No pun intended.

Modifié par centauri2002, 19 avril 2011 - 07:46 .

[PMC65]

TheMarshal wrote...

It's a playful laugh, not a sarcastic Mrs. Krabappel 'Ha!' She thinks Shepard is teasing her with the idea of 'settling down' when there's still the Reaper threat looming.

I also wouldn't necessarily liken the 'maiden' stage of asari life to humanity's 'teenager' phase, since asari are considered adults around 60 years of age, and Liara has another 30+ years on top of that, so she'd be closer to '24 and pregnant', which isn't that big of a deal. Besides, all asari have to deal with the lifespan issue of their partners, so it's not as though that's going to be a deciding factor in whether or not she chooses to have a child/children with Shepard.

Liara is still in her maiden stage and the Asari see the father's role different then us (see Asari discussing krogan on Ilium). If Liara wants a "piece" of Shepard when he/she is gone then it would make more sense if Shepard had a human child. Then Liara would see generations of Shepards as the centuries passed and Shepard could actually be a part of his/her child's life. I just can't see having a kid with Liara ... she is not at that stage yet. It would seem selfish on my Shepard's part. 

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Why the need for a child with Liara?
Liara is in the Maiden ("Teenage") stage of her life and should be exploring and learning at this time. That is why I think she gives a little laugh when Shep mentions blue babies.
She is about 200+ years from the age of Matron ("nesting") stage so why would Shepard who is a blip in her life leave her 14 & pregnant if you will?

Because Shepard isn't going to be around when Liara will be old enough for the traditional matron stage. Besides, the matron stage can be brought on earlier if an asari is... active in that regard. And she will be with Shepard, no doubt. 

I'm sure Liara is going to want to create a life with Shepard eventually and she has a somewhat limited time period to do that in. Plus, we're also pushing our own beliefs onto this pairing. The perceived peak of a relationship is marriage with children. It's a societal norm (not one I necessarily agree with). So I think it's only natural for people to want to see that climax in Shepard and Liara's relationship. No pun intended.

There lies the struggle with my Shepard ... "short-lived species". My Shepard is always at the verge of walking because it just seems cruel to be in a relationship with Liara. Especially after learning how her death impacted Liara.
Shepard knows that she will not be this strong, clever and in shape hero for too much longer and at some point she will be using a walker while Liara will still be ..... Liara. Given my Shepard's ego and need for independence the thought of those years leaves her cold.
She also knows that at some point she wants a child with the hopes that it may have her mother's eyes, her father's nose (they died on Mindoir) so there is that struggle. If Liara would want kids with Shepard she would struggle with it.

[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

Liara is still in her maiden stage and the Asari see the father's role different then us (see Asari discussing krogan on Ilium). If Liara wants a "piece" of Shepard when he/she is gone then it would make more sense if Shepard had a human child. Then Liara would see generations of Shepards as the centuries passed and Shepard could actually be a part of his/her child's life. I just can't see having a kid with Liara ... she is not at that stage yet. It would seem selfish on my Shepard's part. 

Logical question at this point: What if Liara wants to have a child with Shepard? >.>

ETA: Ack, your poor Shepard. I feel bad for her. Thankfully my Shepard doesn't have the same kind of issues. She was never interested in having children of her own before she met Liara. But, after meeting her, she discovered that wish to start a family, even if it wasn't genetically hers. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 19 avril 2011 - 08:04 .

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Liara is still in her maiden stage and the Asari see the father's role different then us (see Asari discussing krogan on Ilium). If Liara wants a "piece" of Shepard when he/she is gone then it would make more sense if Shepard had a human child. Then Liara would see generations of Shepards as the centuries passed and Shepard could actually be a part of his/her child's life. I just can't see having a kid with Liara ... she is not at that stage yet. It would seem selfish on my Shepard's part. 

Logical question at this point: What if Liara wants to have a child with Shepard? >.>

My Shepard would struggle with it. Her and Liara would have very long talks about it (pros & cons). At the end of the day, and knowing how Liara gets "stuck" on something, I can see my poor Shepard sleeping and Liara "melding" her way to motherhood. Poor, poor Shepard.

[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard would struggle with it. Her and Liara would have very long talks about it (pros & cons). At the end of the day, and knowing how Liara gets "stuck" on something, I can see my poor Shepard sleeping and Liara "melding" her way to motherhood. Poor, poor Shepard.

Melding with Shepard in her sleep? I don't think Liara would ever cross that line, no matter how much she might want a child with her. D:

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard would struggle with it. Her and Liara would have very long talks about it (pros & cons). At the end of the day, and knowing how Liara gets "stuck" on something, I can see my poor Shepard sleeping and Liara "melding" her way to motherhood. Poor, poor Shepard.

Melding with Shepard in her sleep? I don't think Liara would ever cross that line, no matter how much she might want a child with her. D:

My Shepard's Liara would ... You have no idea how strong & determined that little lass can be. She has to or my Shepard would have already walked. She knows how to work the Shep. 

[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard's Liara would ... You have no idea how strong & determined that little lass can be. She has to or my Shepard would have already walked. She knows how to work the Shep. 

Shouldn't your Liara be the same as everyone else's in essence? I just don't see her betraying Shepard's trust like that. Hurting her. I mean melding with someone without their permission is tantamount to... 

That's one thing I can't agree with, I'm afraid. D:

[Robhuzz]

PMC65 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard would struggle with it. Her and Liara would have very long talks about it (pros & cons). At the end of the day, and knowing how Liara gets "stuck" on something, I can see my poor Shepard sleeping and Liara "melding" her way to motherhood. Poor, poor Shepard.

Melding with Shepard in her sleep? I don't think Liara would ever cross that line, no matter how much she might want a child with her. D:

My Shepard's Liara would ... You have no idea how strong & determined that little lass can be. She has to or my Shepard would have already walked. She knows how to work the Shep. 

Liara wouldn't need to resort to those kinds of things with my Shepard. It was Shepard who came foward with the whole 'a lot of little blue children' idea in the first place. Won't happen until it's appropriate though, so not during the reaper invasion -- That would just be weird. Imagine Liara telling her daughter she was conceived because... well.. there was a big invasion going on and Liara and dad (for lack of a better word) needed to relieve some tension before jumping into battle...

Melding with Shepard in her sleep? I don't think Liara would ever cross that line, no matter how much she might want a child with her. D:

I doubt this is even possible. For an asari to meld with another individual (either for reproducing or transferring information) the other individual has to accept it as well. At least I think that's what all the 'relax' stuff is about.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 19 avril 2011 - 08:23 .

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard's Liara would ... You have no idea how strong & determined that little lass can be. She has to or my Shepard would have already walked. She knows how to work the Shep. 

Shouldn't your Liara be the same as everyone else's in essence? I just don't see her betraying Shepard's trust like that. Hurting her. I mean melding with someone without their permission is tantamount to... 

That's one thing I can't agree with, I'm afraid. D:

Since we all have our own Shepard's that would also impact the characters around the Shep. My Shepard is absolutely afraid of getting emotionally close or really needing anyone, so Liara has to be the stronger of the two in regards to the relationship. 
The line was intended more as a joke (hence poor poor Shepard), but Liara is a very strong and smart character. We have seen her determination at work: whatever Lola wants. I am sure that over time (say when my Shepard is 80 and senile) Liara will get her way. 
 

[PMC65]

Robhuzz wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard would struggle with it. Her and Liara would have very long talks about it (pros & cons). At the end of the day, and knowing how Liara gets "stuck" on something, I can see my poor Shepard sleeping and Liara "melding" her way to motherhood. Poor, poor Shepard.

Melding with Shepard in her sleep? I don't think Liara would ever cross that line, no matter how much she might want a child with her. D:

My Shepard's Liara would ... You have no idea how strong & determined that little lass can be. She has to or my Shepard would have already walked. She knows how to work the Shep. 

Liara wouldn't need to resort to those kinds of things with my Shepard. It was Shepard who came foward with the whole 'a lot of little blue children' idea in the first place. Won't happen until it's appropriate though, so not during the reaper invasion -- That would just be weird. Imagine Liara telling her daughter she was conceived because... well.. there was a big invasion going on and Liara and dad (for lack of a better word) needed to relieve some tension before jumping into battle...

Melding with Shepard in her sleep? I don't think Liara would ever cross that line, no matter how much she might want a child with her. D:

I doubt this is even possible. For an asari to meld with another individual (either for reproducing or transferring information) the other individual has to accept it as well. At least I think that's what all the 'relax' stuff is about.

If you were sleeping you couldn't get more relaxed. I don't know if that would be possible ... it might. It's the Asari that melds with you so, I don't know. Let's hope not.

[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

Since we all have our own Shepard's that would also impact the characters around the Shep. My Shepard is absolutely afraid of getting emotionally close or really needing anyone, so Liara has to be the stronger of the two in regards to the relationship. 
The line was intended more as a joke (hence poor poor Shepard), but Liara is a very strong and smart character. We have seen her determination at work: whatever Lola wants. I am sure that over time (say when my Shepard is 80 and senile) Liara will get her way. 
 

Oh, in that case... my bad. >.> That seems to be one of those topics I can't help but take seriously.

Okay the imagery of an 80 year old Shepard and a spritely Liara going at it... 

[Robhuzz]

 

If you were sleeping you couldn't get more relaxed. I don't know if that would be possible ... it might. It's the Asari that melds with you so, I don't know. Let's hope not.

Sure hope not. That would make the ardat yakshi's task that much easier.

*Shepard falls asleep*
*Morinth secretly enters Shepard's cabin*

Morinth:"Sleep tight Shepard"

*Morinth uses melding ability*
*Shepard dies*

Morinth:"Now who's next?"

Okay I went off topic but I felt that needed an example.

Okay the imagery of an 80 year old Shepard and a spritely Liara going at it... 

That's both  as well as  but let's assume people also age much less quickly. For comparison: The avarage life expectancy is currently about 80 years in most westen countries (I know many people become a lot older than that, but this is apparently avarage). With people in the ME world reaching 150 years of age (codex states it's expected to get A LOT higher very soon as humanity is only just now taking advantage of all the new technology) I think it's safe to assume a 130 year old Shepard can be as spritely as a modern day 60 year old. An 80 year old Shepard much more so.

Okay I went into this to set my mind at ease, I REALLY don't want to go to bed tonight with the image of an old shepard and young liara going at it haunting my dreams. Won't get a good night's rest that way.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 19 avril 2011 - 08:53 .

[AlexMBrennan]

She is about 200+ years from the age of Matron ("nesting") stage so why would Shepard who is a blip in her life leave her 14 & pregnant if you will?

Your posts would be significantly less inflammatory (and less inaccurate) if you remembered that Liara, legally for her species, was an adult as of ME1. I am sure that this was completely intentional though.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 19 avril 2011 - 08:46 .

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Since we all have our own Shepard's that would also impact the characters around the Shep. My Shepard is absolutely afraid of getting emotionally close or really needing anyone, so Liara has to be the stronger of the two in regards to the relationship. 
The line was intended more as a joke (hence poor poor Shepard), but Liara is a very strong and smart character. We have seen her determination at work: whatever Lola wants. I am sure that over time (say when my Shepard is 80 and senile) Liara will get her way. 
 

Oh, in that case... my bad. >.> That seems to be one of those topics I can't help but take seriously.

Okay the imagery of an 80 year old Shepard and a spritely Liara going at it... 

And senile ... poor Shepard!

I think that is why I love this game, it allows all of us to add our own layers.

My Liara has shades of darkness, while others may only see her in light. To me both are true in each world as long as it does not go against the events in the game. Example: "My Shep first met Liara at a bar and they danced, drank together and promised undying love" ... what? That would be false unless the bar was in a bubble? Strike that, even then it's your world so bar in a bubble it is.

[PMC65]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

She is about 200+ years from the age of Matron ("nesting") stage so why would Shepard who is a blip in her life leave her 14 & pregnant if you will?

Your posts would be significantly less inflammatory (and less inaccurate) if you remembered that Liara, legally for her species, was an adult as of ME1. I am sure that this was completely intentional though.

14 & pregnant was a nod to an afterschool special. My comment was in reference to her being a maid and not a matron. If people want to have a kid with her that's there choice. I was just asking why and sharing why my Shepard doesn't. Didn't realize I was being "inflammatory (and less inaccurate)".

[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

And senile ... poor Shepard!

I think that is why I love this game, it allows all of us to add our own layers.

My Liara has shades of darkness, while others may only see her in light. To me both are true in each world as long as it does not go against the events in the game. Example: "My Shep first met Liara at a bar and they danced, drank together and promised undying love" ... what? That would be false unless the bar was in a bubble? Strike that, even then it's your world so bar in a bubble it is.

I think most will agree Liara walks in the grey somewhat by LotSB. Every character has dark parts to their personality. Or they should. A perfectly light character isn't very interesting, in my opinion. And Liara is most certainly interesting. More so in ME2, I found. 

[PMC65]

Robhuzz wrote...

 

If you were sleeping you couldn't get more relaxed. I don't know if that would be possible ... it might. It's the Asari that melds with you so, I don't know. Let's hope not.

Sure hope not. That would make the ardat yakshi's task that much easier.

*Shepard falls asleep*
*Morinth secretly enters Shepard's cabin*

Morinth:"Sleep tight Shepard"

*Morinth uses melding ability*
*Shepard dies*

Morinth:"Now who's next?"

Okay I went off topic but I felt that needed an example.

Okay the imagery of an 80 year old Shepard and a spritely Liara going at it... 

That's both  as well as  but let's assume people also age much less quickly. For comparison: The avarage life expectancy is currently about 80 years in most westen countries (I know many people become a lot older than that, but this is apparently avarage). With people in the ME world reaching 150 years of age (codex states it's expected to get A LOT higher very soon as humanity is only just now taking advantage of all the new technology) I think it's safe to assume a 130 year old Shepard can be as spritely as a modern day 60 year old. An 80 year old Shepard much more so.

Okay I went into this to set my mind at ease, I REALLY don't want to go to bed tonight with the image of an old shepard and young liara going at it haunting my dreams. Won't get a good night's rest that way.

LOL!!!! And just one more reason to not save Morinth! Better safe then sorry.

[TheMarshal]

PMC65 wrote...

Liara is still in her maiden stage and the Asari see the father's role different then us (see Asari discussing krogan on Ilium). If Liara wants a "piece" of Shepard when he/she is gone then it would make more sense if Shepard had a human child. Then Liara would see generations of Shepards as the centuries passed and Shepard could actually be a part of his/her child's life. I just can't see having a kid with Liara ... she is not at that stage yet. It would seem selfish on my Shepard's part. 

That's an odd way of looking at it.

1)  How would Shepard having a human child (which he/she cannot do with Liara) be a better way of being remembered than the two of them having a daughter together?  And how would that somehow translate to 'generations of Shepards'?  Like Liara has a little Shepard breeding facility somewhere?

2)  How would Shepard not be able to be a part of his/her daughter's life just because she's asari?  You think Liara's going to trick Shepard, get herself pregnant, and then vanish into the night?

3)  Liara was an integral player in bringing Shepard back from the dead.  Even if - as you seem to propose - Liara's 'wild' maiden years preclude her from wanting a child, you don't do that for someone who you feel is just a 'blip' in your life. 

You're certainly taking a strange view of Liara and her relationship with Shepard.

[Centauri2002]

Haha, Rob, it's not that bad of an image, surely?

[TheMarshal]

I'm sure that Shepard will be a rather sprightly 80 year-old! Besides, humans are supposed to have a 150-year lifespan, so surely 80 is the new 30!

[AlexMBrennan]

Didn't realize I was being "inflammatory (and less inaccurate)".

Really? You came very close to calling any Shepard interested in having kids with Liara a paedophile (Shepard's an adult, a 14 year old is legally a child).

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 19 avril 2011 - 09:37 .

[PMC65]

TheMarshal wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Liara is still in her maiden stage and the Asari see the father's role different then us (see Asari discussing krogan on Ilium). If Liara wants a "piece" of Shepard when he/she is gone then it would make more sense if Shepard had a human child. Then Liara would see generations of Shepards as the centuries passed and Shepard could actually be a part of his/her child's life. I just can't see having a kid with Liara ... she is not at that stage yet. It would seem selfish on my Shepard's part. 

That's an odd way of looking at it.

1)  How would Shepard having a human child (which he/she cannot do with Liara) be a better way of being remembered than the two of them having a daughter together?  And how would that somehow translate to 'generations of Shepards'?  Like Liara has a little Shepard breeding facility somewhere?

2)  How would Shepard not be able to be a part of his/her daughter's life just because she's asari?  You think Liara's going to trick Shepard, get herself pregnant, and then vanish into the night?

3)  Liara was an integral player in bringing Shepard back from the dead.  Even if - as you seem to propose - Liara's 'wild' maiden years preclude her from wanting a child, you don't do that for someone who you feel is just a 'blip' in your life. 

You're certainly taking a strange view of Liara and her relationship with Shepard.

Is it an "odd way of looking at it" or just a different view? I can only speak for my Shepard/Liara relationship with all it's teasing & complications and even then I can really only speak for my Shepard since I can't even pretend to think or understand the Asari mindset.  

Response to Question 1 - If Shepard had a human child, Liara would see generations of Shepards unless I had one child and he/she dies childless. Liara will live to be 1000 approx so she would see at least 8 generations of Shepards? That is what I meant, not that Liara had a breeding facility. I do not know if Liara would want a child or if that would translate "lil' Shepard" in her eyes. That would have to be in that pro/con discussion between Shepard & Liara, which apparently has not happened in my RP. I was only commenting on my human Shepard's viewpoint.

Response to Question 2 - Having a child with Liara would mean that Shep would be just a wisp in her child's life. It made me think of that Asari who lost the locket at Ilium. That would be Liara. One of my Shepard's struggles.

Response to Question 3 - I know that Shepard is very important to Liara and vice versa. But my Shepard does not think that her Liara even wants children at this stage in her life and if she doesn't then my Shep is both glad and relieved.

I am not saying if your Shep wants kids with Liara it is wrong, I was just asking why.

My Shepard doesn't want to have a child for the reasons that I gave so my question was why does your Shepard want to have kids. I thought that Centauri2000 had a thoughtful response: "I'm sure Liara is going to want to create a life with Shepard eventually and she has a somewhat limited time period to do that in. Plus, we're also pushing our own beliefs onto this pairing. The perceived peak of a relationship is marriage with children. It's a societal norm (not one I necessarily agree with). So I think it's only natural for people to want to see that climax in Shepard and Liara's relationship. No pun intended." My Shepard just needs to make sure that C2000 does not meet my Liara.

[PMC65]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Didn't realize I was being "inflammatory (and less inaccurate)".

Really? You came very close to calling any Shepard interested in having kids with Liara a paedophile (Shepard's an adult, a 14 year old is legally a child).

Considering that Shepard is not real ... well, I am sure that he/she will survive. I would also hope that people did not go down that dark path. I was only looking at her age in Asari years vs human years. She is, after all 106 ...  so I think that she is legal and then some.