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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hey everyone! How is it going?

PMC65 wrote...

Why the need for a child with Liara?
Liara is in the Maiden ("Teenage") stage of her life and should be exploring and learning at this time. That is why I think she gives a little laugh when Shep mentions blue babies.
She is about 200+ years from the age of Matron ("nesting") stage so why would Shepard who is a blip in her life leave her 14 & pregnant if you will?

You cannot really compare Liara to a teenager. I would say that Asari grows and mature alot diffrently than humans and you cannot say that she is just a 14 year old girl.

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

Hey everyone! How is it going?

PMC65 wrote...

Why the need for a child with Liara?
Liara is in the Maiden ("Teenage") stage of her life and should be exploring and learning at this time. That is why I think she gives a little laugh when Shep mentions blue babies.
She is about 200+ years from the age of Matron ("nesting") stage so why would Shepard who is a blip in her life leave her 14 & pregnant if you will?

You cannot really compare Liara to a teenager. I would say that Asari grows and mature alot diffrently than humans and you cannot say that she is just a 14 year old girl.

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[JiGsAw2453]

I think if they had children, it would somewhat "fulfil" their relationship. When you have a child with someone you are sort of at the last stage in your relationship, somewhat "completing" it. I'm not saying that not having children is bad, but it would give Liara something to remember Shepard by, and someone to talk to about Shepard (like in CenCat's Fan Fic).

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 19 avril 2011 - 10:01 .

[Centauri2002]

Hi Lizard, where have you been?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...
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What? My point still stands.

[Centauri2002]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

I think if they had children, it would somewhat "fulfil" their relationship. When you have a child with someone you are sort of at the last stage in your relationship, somewhat "completing" it. I'm not saying that not having children is bad, but it would give Liara something to remember Shepard by, and someone to talk to about Shepard (like in CenCat's Fan Fic).

That's another way of looking at it! Liara isn't going to be left alone if she has a child, and that child will always be linked with Shepard.

Of course, those aren't the only reasons for them having children. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 19 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...

Hi Lizard, where have you been?

A quick 3 days vacation at my grandparrents.

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
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What? My point still stands.

I didn't realize that people would take the 14 + pregnant (afterschool special) and go down paths with it that I did not intend. Given that my own mother was 14 when she had my older brother & 16 when she had me, I saw the aftermath of having children so young in one's life - she missed out on a lot of things. I guess my own point of reference is different and so would my Shepard's.

That was my point - she is at the beginning of her life and since my Shepard is such a short-lived species (1000 against 100-150 if lucky) it seems almost cruel to leave her with a child in her maiden years. But it may also be cruel to deny her if she wanted a child ... ah l'amour, l'amour! 

[Andoth]

centauri2002 wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

I think if they had children, it would somewhat "fulfil" their relationship. When you have a child with someone you are sort of at the last stage in your relationship, somewhat "completing" it. I'm not saying that not having children is bad, but it would give Liara something to remember Shepard by, and someone to talk to about Shepard (like in CenCat's Fan Fic).

That's another way of looking at it! Liara isn't going to be left alone if she has a child, and that child will always be linked with Shepard.

Of course, those aren't the only reasons for them having children. 

Exactly.  Regardless of whether the 'father' is responsible for any of the appearance of an asari child, I'm sure there are little things that remind the mother of said father.  Whether it's the way the child sits to relax, a nervous twitch when they are anxious, the way they tilt their head when listening, etc...  All of these things can be linked to a memory of someone we care about.  

My grandparents, on my father's side, have been gone for 11 years now.  There are still some things my father does that remind me of them and spark great memories and stories.

I'm sure Shepard would want to live as long as Liara, but since that pretty much won't be possible (technology is amazing, but I'm not sure it will be THAT amazing) leaving her with a child for company and the little memories the child would spark is the next best thing.  And you better believe Shepard will be teaching her how to push Liara's buttons, even if it is just to make her smile every once in a while.

Modifié par Andoth, 19 avril 2011 - 10:46 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...

I didn't realize that people would take the 14 + pregnant (afterschool special) and go down paths with it that I did not intend. Given that my own mother was 14 when she had my older brother & 16 when she had me, I saw the aftermath of having children so young in one's life - she missed out on a lot of things. I guess my own point of reference is different and so would my Shepard's.

That was my point - she is at the beginning of her life and since my Shepard is such a short-lived species (1000 against 100-150 if lucky) it seems almost cruel to leave her with a child in her maiden years. But it may also be cruel to deny her if she wanted a child ... ah l'amour, l'amour! 

Ah okay. I thought you meant it as "Knocking her up is the equlivant of knocking up a 14 year old girl".

But I would still argue that even if Liara bears child somewhere in the near-future, she would still have experienced atleast 108 years worth of living. Which is alot.

As for my opinion on the matter. Shepard and Liara should strike a balance between how long it is just the two of them, and when to get a child. If Shepard is lucky, the Lazarus project might have expanded how long he can live by quite a margin.

[TheMarshal]

Again, you're trying to directly apply human details to an alien species, which just doesn't work. Leave Liara with a child in her maiden years? By the time that child is old enough to set out on their own, Liara will still be young (<200 if they have a child together within a decade of ME3). A human, on the other hand, would have 'lost' most of their prime years raising a child to adulthood. It seems to me that your Shepard hasn't accepted (let alone embraced) the differences between their species quite yet.

[Centauri2002]

@Andoth: Absolutely! You better believe Medora, in my fic, learned how to tease Liara from Shepard. >:3

[TheMarshal]

centauri2002 wrote...

@Andoth: Absolutely! You better believe Medora, in my fic, learned how to tease Liara from Shepard. >:3

Well that's half the point of having a kid, isn't it?  So you can teach someone how to push your partner's buttons? 

[Andoth]

TheMarshal wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@Andoth: Absolutely! You better believe Medora, in my fic, learned how to tease Liara from Shepard. >:3

Well that's half the point of having a kid, isn't it?  So you can teach someone how to push your partner's buttons? 

Haha, this is so true!

[Centauri2002]

Wise words if ever I saw them, Marshal!

[PMC65]

TheMarshal wrote...

Again, you're trying to directly apply human details to an alien species, which just doesn't work. Leave Liara with a child in her maiden years? By the time that child is old enough to set out on their own, Liara will still be young (<200 if they have a child together within a decade of ME3). A human, on the other hand, would have 'lost' most of their prime years raising a child to adulthood. It seems to me that your Shepard hasn't accepted (let alone embraced) the differences between their species quite yet.

My Shepard can only think as a human, so yes human details. She cannot think as another species so her decision making would be based on her life experiences and conditioning. That is why she struggles with the "having kids" with Liara. It would appear that I am in a small percentage of "what? kids?" though ... so I feel sorry for the Liara in my ME world. She isn't having it easy with my Shep, especially if she does desire an off-spring. She will probably dump Shep for Feron. I knew I didn't trust that drell! 

[emmanuelsieyes]

Okay, several things.

TheMarshal wrote...

Okay, @centauri, @emmanuel, and @patocerda - one or more of you is gonna have to get a different avatar image : P

Also, @emmanuel - I may just use your post from the last page as the basis for a character description for Liara. That was some great insight!

I will change the avatar ASAP (I've been meaning to put up a custom Liara pic from LoTSB).

@Centauri - whoa, what happened to the Liara avatar. If I get mine changed, you'll go back to Liara, right?

@TheMarshal - Feel free to reuse the character description. If possible, please attribute it to me, however, if that's not feasible, then okay.

Regarding Liara becoming a matron at 350 -

Yeah, okay. I can't speak for everyone, but I can guarantee you guys that Liara is going to hit the matron stage well before 350. I can tell that after dealing with the Reaper threat, Kaylee Shepard is going to make absolutely sure of that.

Regarding reproduction -

The idea of Asari 'randomizing genetic material' is flawed. First off, in that case, Liara could mate with a vial of radioactive cobalt and have kids with 'randomized genetic material'. The idea of using DNA from another species is pointless - DNA only matters 'in context'. That's the reason why I can't shoot up a bunch of pidgeon DNA and grow wings. Furthermore, the problem with 'randomized genetic material' is that 99.99999999% of the time (or so), you just get cancer.

Furthermore, even if the Asari genetics were flexible enough that they could just inject random crap into their DNA, they mate via a neural interface. My DNA is unaffected by my brain. I can't think, gee, I wish I was taller, or I wish I had red hair or whatever, and have my DNA get modified. The joining of nervous systems is strictly for pleasure. That's why the other partner should be relaxed. By the same token, I think the asari have physical erogenous zones. You feel what your partner feels. So that way, you want them to be calm, and, uh, 'enjoying themselves'.

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 19 avril 2011 - 11:16 .

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

But I would still argue that even if Liara bears child somewhere in the near-future, she would still have experienced atleast 108 years worth of living. Which is alot.

"A century may seem like a long time to a short-lived species like yours, but among the asari I am barely considered more then a child." — Liara T'Soni

Sorry, I couldn't help but here that response in my head when I read this.

The first time I heard her say that to Ashley I was like "Wow! The kitten has teeth. Me likes!"

[JiGsAw2453]

PMC65 wrote...
It seems almost cruel to leave her with a child in her maiden years. But it may also be cruel to deny her if she wanted a child ... ah l'amour, l'amour! 

Thats a good point, I never thought of it being cruel on Liara... Although she didn't seem hesitant when Shepard mentioned it in LoTSB.

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...
The Lazarus project might have expanded how long he can live by quite a margin.

A point I brought up in another topic, do we even know if Shepard is still mortal? It would be great if she wasn't!

[JiGsAw2453]

Lizardviking wrote...

But I would still argue that even if Liara bears child somewhere in the near-future, she would still have experienced atleast 108 years worth of living. Which is alot.

I totally agree! Just because she is "young for her species", she has still lived for 108 years and would have experienced the same as a human of 108 years of age... 108 Asari years are the same as 108 human years, just interpreted differently by each species.

Going on a bit of a reply rampage here.

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 20 avril 2011 - 12:41 .

[TheMarshal]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

A point I brought up in another topic, do we even know if Shepard is still mortal? It would be great if she wasn't!

In the sense of "eventually his/her body will give out", I'm inclined to say yes, still mortal (since we know Shepard can die at the end of ME2).

I would, however, venture a guess and say that, like Miranda, Shepard will probably live half again as long as most humans due to the massive reconstruction job that was Lazarus.

[JiGsAw2453]

TheMarshal wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

A point I brought up in another topic, do we even know if Shepard is still mortal? It would be great if she wasn't!

In the sense of "eventually his/her body will give out", I'm inclined to say yes, still mortal (since we know Shepard can die at the end of ME2).

I would, however, venture a guess and say that, like Miranda, Shepard will probably live half again as long as most humans due to the massive reconstruction job that was Lazarus.

Yeah, she can still die from injuries... I'm just debating whether she can die of "old age".

If she does live half again as long as most humans, she would reach approximately 225... Which would give Liara and her more time to spend together and with their (possible) child.

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 20 avril 2011 - 12:45 .

[TheMarshal]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

I totally agree! Just because she is "young for her species", she has still lived for 108 years and would have experienced the same as a human of 108 years of age... 108 Asari years are the same as 108 human years, just interpreted differently by each species.

Going on a bit of a reply rampage here.

And considering how much she managed to learn/change in the two years between ME1 and ME2, she probably learns at an extremely advanced rate.  I'd say that she's probably even more skilled/advanced/mature that most asari double her age or more.

[PMC65]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
It seems almost cruel to leave her with a child in her maiden years. But it may also be cruel to deny her if she wanted a child ... ah l'amour, l'amour! 

Thats a good point, I never thought of it being cruel on Liara... Although she didn't seem hesitant when Shepard mentioned it in LoTSB.

My Shepard says it as a tease since she doesn't really expect to survive, while Liara pushes my Shep away and laughs. You can take that exchange as serious, playful, teasingly.

But when she begs Shepard to promise that she/he won't die, won't leave her again ... that part is really powerful and sad to me.