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[JiGsAw2453]

TheMarshal wrote...

And considering how much she managed to learn/change in the two years between ME1 and ME2, she probably learns at an extremely advanced rate.  I'd say that she's probably even more skilled/advanced/mature that most asari double her age or more.

Exactly!

I don't see why people think she is "young", sure Asari do... But we are not Asari are we?

Even if she is considered young, she learns at the same rate (if not faster) than species that live shorter lives. Also having a mother that has lived for hundreds of years has got to have some effect on your learning, imagine all the knowledge.

EDIT: Top of Liara page!

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 20 avril 2011 - 12:51 .

[TheMarshal]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

If she does live half again as long as most humans, she would reach approximately 225... Which would give Liara and her more time to spend together and with their (possible) child.

See?  Suddenly the idea of 80-year old Shepard/Liara sex doesn't seem so weird!  Hell, 80 would barely put her at...  what...  late 30's early 40's by today's standards?  ;D

[JiGsAw2453]

TheMarshal wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

If she does live half again as long as most humans, she would reach approximately 225... Which would give Liara and her more time to spend together and with their (possible) child.

See?  Suddenly the idea of 80-year old Shepard/Liara sex doesn't seem so weird!  Hell, 80 would barely put her at...  what...  late 30's early 40's by today's standards?  ;D

Yes!

It's good to agree on things. It's just a matter of if an 80 year old human in the Mass Effect universe looks younger, or looks like a normal 80 year old. :\\

[TheMarshal]

And I will sheepishly admit that I use that Liara image (the one in the TotP post) for every single one of my machines (laptop, home desktop, work desktop).

[Centauri2002]

@Emmanuel: I had intended on uploading my own custom avatar but there's a problem with creating a DA:O PC profile on my account for some reason and it won't upload. EA have not been helpful with the matter. So, yes, I may change it back.

@Marshal: I have a variation of wallpapers that I cycle through. At the moment, I have a rather sad Liara one on my netbook for inspiration for my writing. And a wallpaper of my Shepard and Liara from that paragon interrupt kiss in LotSB on my PC. That's been up there a while now. >.>

I don't know what all this talk of it being cruel on Liara is. She obviously wants to be with Shepard, to spend their lives together, and all that entails. She knows she'll lose Shepard at some point but I don't see her regretting anything they do together. Including starting a family together. That's just the point in her life she happens to meet a person she's fallen deeply in love with. I don't see that as holding her back in life or detracting from her youth. She's got hundreds of years ahead of her.

[patocerda]

Wow guys, the thread's on fire, moar Liara!

Oh, and I'll try to change my avatar on the weekend...

A question for all of you: from all 3 faces Liara has had, which one do you prefer?

I still prefer the ME1 one. It has this naivety touch I can't quite explain. Like if it fit her personality really well.
ME2 is the one I found awful... too much eye-twitch.
And while LotSB and ME3 is not actually great (actually those lips are the best yet) that model still doesn't win on my book to the first one.

Any thoughts that could enlighten me?

[PMC65]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

If she does live half again as long as most humans, she would reach approximately 225... Which would give Liara and her more time to spend together and with their (possible) child.

See?  Suddenly the idea of 80-year old Shepard/Liara sex doesn't seem so weird!  Hell, 80 would barely put her at...  what...  late 30's early 40's by today's standards?  ;D

Yes!

It's good to agree on things. It's just a matter of if an 80 year old human in the Mass Effect universe looks younger, or looks like a normal 80 year old. :

Anderson was born in 2137 London so in Mass Effect he would be 46 years old, so it doesn't look like we age differently. Maybe we look "middle age" until 80? Although I am sure that Botox would still be around. Liara says that humans are "lucky" to live 150 years so I wonder what the average life span would be. Today we are lucky to live a 100 years with the life expectancy at 78.3 years (US) and some of those years are not exactly at our prime.

[TheMarshal]

I did think the "promise me that you'll always come back" was an interesting thing for her to say. She knows that there will come a time when Shepard can't/won't come back. Barring any unforeseen incidents, Liara will outlive Shepard. I'm sure she knows this, which makes the request that much more enigmatic. I imagine that, at that moment, she was feeling the repercussions of Shepard's (first) death quite strongly, and needed something to be said to comfort her, which of course makes it that much more of a powerful line, because of the role-reversal, where she's usually the one comforting Shepard.

[TheMarshal]

patocerda wrote...

Wow guys, the thread's on fire, moar Liara!

Oh, and I'll try to change my avatar on the weekend...

A question for all of you: from all 3 faces Liara has had, which one do you prefer?

I still prefer the ME1 one. It has this naivety touch I can't quite explain. Like if it fit her personality really well.
ME2 is the one I found awful... too much eye-twitch.
And while LotSB and ME3 is not actually great (actually those lips are the best yet) that model still doesn't win on my book to the first one.

Any thoughts that could enlighten me?

Look at a side-by-side comparison of ME1 and ME2 Liara.  The model doesn't actually change at all (much like I thought it did).  It's just that the lighting in her office is atrocious and does nothing for anyone with pale blue skin.

I actually favor her LotSB look more.  I think it's more in-line with what she would actually look like - given Benezia's coloring - and I plan on modding ME1 on my next playthrough so that she has that facial texture to see how I feel about it.

[patocerda]

TheMarshal wrote...

patocerda wrote...

Wow guys, the thread's on fire, moar Liara!

Oh, and I'll try to change my avatar on the weekend...

A question for all of you: from all 3 faces Liara has had, which one do you prefer?

I still prefer the ME1 one. It has this naivety touch I can't quite explain. Like if it fit her personality really well.
ME2 is the one I found awful... too much eye-twitch.
And while LotSB and ME3 is not actually great (actually those lips are the best yet) that model still doesn't win on my book to the first one.

Any thoughts that could enlighten me?

Look at a side-by-side comparison of ME1 and ME2 Liara.  The model doesn't actually change at all (much like I thought it did).  It's just that the lighting in her office is atrocious and does nothing for anyone with pale blue skin.

I actually favor her LotSB look more.  I think it's more in-line with what she would actually look like - given Benezia's coloring - and I plan on modding ME1 on my next playthrough so that she has that facial texture to see how I feel about it.

Well, the painting
But still, I'd bet that there IS sth different on her painting between ME1 and ME2 
And yes, her blue shade on LotSB is actually way more appealing and, as you say, in-line.

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

I did think the "promise me that you'll always come back" was an interesting thing for her to say. She knows that there will come a time when Shepard can't/won't come back. Barring any unforeseen incidents, Liara will outlive Shepard. I'm sure she knows this, which makes the request that much more enigmatic. I imagine that, at that moment, she was feeling the repercussions of Shepard's (first) death quite strongly, and needed something to be said to comfort her, which of course makes it that much more of a powerful line, because of the role-reversal, where she's usually the one comforting Shepard.

Yes, it had quite the impact. She would have been living with the thought that Shepard was never coming back for two years and the regret that they'd barely gotten to know one another, that they'd barely even started to explore a life together. That's going to need a lot of comforting! D:

[Centauri2002]

Just thought I'd share this whilst I have the page open.

[PMC65]

TheMarshal wrote...

I did think the "promise me that you'll always come back" was an interesting thing for her to say. She knows that there will come a time when Shepard can't/won't come back. Barring any unforeseen incidents, Liara will outlive Shepard. I'm sure she knows this, which makes the request that much more enigmatic. I imagine that, at that moment, she was feeling the repercussions of Shepard's (first) death quite strongly, and needed something to be said to comfort her, which of course makes it that much more of a powerful line, because of the role-reversal, where she's usually the one comforting Shepard.

It made me think of the conversation Shepard & Liara have on Mass Effect about Asari out-living their partners:
"Few Sapient species live as long as my kind. We have learned to take a philosophical approach to our unions.
We do not focus on the inevitable lose of our partners. Instead, we enjoy the time we spend with them.
And even after they are gone, a part of them lives on in us. The union is a connection that transcends both time
and space."

Cut to her having actually experienced the loss and that speech rang hollow. It made me think of things I said in my youth without the life test, then faced the real thing and how my "beliefs" were altered. There was so much in her wanting Shepard to promise not to die that I sat looking at my game for a while just really caught in the sadness of it all. 

And it was good to see Shepard in the role of comforter for once without her fighting it.

[TheMarshal]

PMC65 wrote...

It made me think of the conversation Shepard & Liara have on Mass Effect about Asari out-living their partners:
"Few Sapient species live as long as my kind. We have learned to take a philosophical approach to our unions.
We do not focus on the inevitable lose of our partners. Instead, we enjoy the time we spend with them.
And even after they are gone, a part of them lives on in us. The union is a connection that transcends both time
and space."

Cut to her having actually experienced the loss and that speech rang hollow. It made me think of things I said in my youth without the life test, then faced the real thing and how my "beliefs" were altered. There was so much in her wanting Shepard to promise not to die that I sat looking at my game for a while just really caught in the sadness of it all. 

And it was good to see Shepard in the role of comforter for once without her fighting it.

The way I figure it, asari are used to outliving their partners, but the difference with what Liara and Shepard went through was that Shepard was torn away from Liara.  She didn't have the chance to spend a lifetime with her partner, to watch her love grow old, to build a life with each other.  Barely a few months in to their relationship, it was abruptly ended without reason.  THAT is why (to me) she was affected so deeply by Shepard's death, and why she fought so hard to bring Shepard back to life.

[Endurium]

Though Liara's sudden change of interest (whatever happened to being a scientist?) in ME2/LotSB threw me for a loop, I really enjoy her character. She's very compassionate and when a LI has very deep feelings. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't meld for at least a hundred years after losing Shepard to permanent death. Of course that might be wishful thinking on my part. haha.

[Robhuzz]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

A point I brought up in another topic, do we even know if Shepard is still mortal? It would be great if she wasn't!

In the sense of "eventually his/her body will give out", I'm inclined to say yes, still mortal (since we know Shepard can die at the end of ME2).

I would, however, venture a guess and say that, like Miranda, Shepard will probably live half again as long as most humans due to the massive reconstruction job that was Lazarus.

Yeah, she can still die from injuries... I'm just debating whether she can die of "old age".

If she does live half again as long as most humans, she would reach approximately 225... Which would give Liara and her more time to spend together and with their (possible) child.

Add to that the information given in the in game codex about humanity (it says due to recent medical advances humans are now reaching 150 years of age, but this will become a lot higher because of all the alien technology humanity now has acces to). This way Shepard may hit up to.. I dunno 250, maybe even 300 years of age. That would leave Liara in her early - mid matron stage by the time Shepard passes.

Wow guys, the thread's on fire, moar Liara!

A question for all of you: from all 3 faces Liara has had, which one do you prefer?

For me it's definately her Lotsb face. Those eyes!

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 avril 2011 - 06:02 .

[JiGsAw2453]

In LoTSB her eyes looked amazing! 

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 20 avril 2011 - 08:08 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
The Lazarus project might have expanded how long he can live by quite a margin.

A point I brought up in another topic, do we even know if Shepard is still mortal? It would be great if she wasn't!

i would personally believe that the Lazarus project will add 100-200 years. If unlucky, only 50.

Plenty of time for them to have a few more years where it is just the two of them!

[Centauri2002]

@Endurium: She's more of an archaeologist than a scientist (although, in the traditional sense of the word, that still rings true). Her interest in that is still very much alive, as evidenced by her apartment. And the role of an information broker still utilises the skill set she had when she was an archaeologist.

Oh about Shepard's lifespan... I've thought about that. It's possible the implants and whatnot will add to Shepard's age, yes, but there's also the possibility that it will adversely affect her too. She's died and been brought back, the body was never designed for that. We don't know how long those implants are going to last or even if Shepard's body won't react badly to them over a long period. So there's the possibility she may have a shorter lifespan too.

Modifié par centauri2002, 20 avril 2011 - 10:18 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...
Oh about Shepard's lifespan... I've thought about that. It's possible the implants and whatnot will add to Shepard's age, yes, but there's also the possibility that it will adversely affect her too. She's died and been brought back, the body was never designed for that. We don't know how long those implants are going to last or even if Shepard's body won't react badly to them over a long period. So there's the possibility she may have a shorter lifespan too.

It is possible. But I find it unlikely that Cerberus would make the body superior to a normal human body in every area exept that.

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

It is possible. But I find it unlikely that Cerberus would make the body superior to a normal human body in every area exept that.

I'm sure they've tried to account for everything but they are dealing with something that's never been done before so there are always going to be unknown variables. It's quite possible Shepard will have a much longer lifespan, I just also fear for my Shepard, since the human body has a way of doing its own thing, even with outside interference. I'm not sure it'll be able to handle all the abuse it's gone through over the years. 

In my story, I have Shepard dying at 141 for that reason. I perhaps should have been more optimistic with my view on it, just to give her extra time with Liara and Medora. >.>

Modifié par centauri2002, 20 avril 2011 - 10:48 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

centauri2002 wrote...

In my story, I have Shepard dying at 141 for that reason. I perhaps should have been more optimistic with my view on it, just to give her extra time with Liara and Medora. >.>

No. I think you did the right choice with having Shepard die at such an age. It works alot better with Medora wanting to know more about Shepard if she only knew her for a "short" time.

And it is also possible that my talk about Shepard having a prolonged life is a load of rubbish and he still has a normal human lifespan.

[Centauri2002]

Yep, it works for the story. But now I feel bad for not giving them more time... just to benefit the story.

Aye, that's also a possibility!