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Liara T'Soni Character Discussion Thread *possible ME3 spoilers*


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emmanuelsieyes

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Don't be so negative... even if you don't use the paragon interrupt at the shadow broker base, Liara actually says she feels Shepard is jealous at feron (if you choose the right dialogue options) and wants Shepard to do something about it. I'm not worried. Still it would be awesome if the ones who cheated on Liara in ME2 lost her to Feron. I'd crack up :pinched:


Hold the phone...

There's someone who romanced Liara, remained faithful to her, and didn't take that Paragon interrupt?!

I smell a charlatan...  a pretender...  a FAKE!


I missed it the first time. Was eating dinner. Had just beaten the Shadow Broker, was not expecting kissing as a dessert. Replayed the boss fight again. Was worth it.

The Shadow Broker's Information network.

My take on it (caution, long post incoming):

The Shadow Broker has an immense number of informations: we see around thirty screens displaying communications traffic. Trying to scale up quantum entanglement systems to a network of that size is immensely complicated and expensive - just trying to design a routing protocol to deal with nodes dropping out would be nontrivial. Therefore, it's clear that the Shadow Broker isn't using entaglement - this is a good thing.

The QE communicators, as presented in the ME 'verse, use custom-created pairs of particles. So therefore, replacing a damaged link means that both ends need to be replaced. However, if one is not using QE communicators, then there's nothing magic about the network terminal. The SB ship on Hagalaz is an interesting environment for communication. The lightning would likely cause RF interference. Furthermore, if the SB ship uses a RF/optical link to tap into the network-at-large, then that link could be intercepted. Optical would be harder to intercept, since it can be easily polarized. A unique pattern of polarizers could be fitted to the beam, to act as a secondary (tertiary, what have you) security measure. However, some of the EM radiation will 'leak out'. An observer would be able to detect a large amount of comm traffic, and could triangulate the position of the Broker's ship. Therefore, I'm thinking that the Broker took the middle ground - using QE communicators to tap into remotely located communication buoys, with free-space optical communication as a backup. If the Broker was to use small satellites in a low-Hagalaz orbit, with highly accurate optics, that would minimize the amount of data that would leak out. It's possible that free-space optics were the major method of communication.

Nevertheless, I'm expecting that the majority of the SB's communication traffic is running over the Extranet. There's nothing suspicious about carrying around an omni-tool. However, giving top SB agents 'weird' network terminals could arouse suspicion, especially if an agent was captured. As a general rule, the more data traffic flowing in a channel, the easier it is to hide something in it. I am expecting that the Broker is using one-time pads to encrypt everything, with the immense amounts of data required being generated by measuring the time between radioactive decay events. Perhaps measuring the lightning strikes on Hagalaz is another acceptable source for large amounts of truly random data. This encrypted data could then be stegagonographically encoded into a video stream or the like.

I was thinking about how to build a network like this using modern Internet technology. I would use video streams, specifically, pornography. Porn streams have a large viewership, and furthermore, nobody is going to be checking the lowest-order colour bits per pixel to see if there is any data hidden. I'm wondering if the encrypted traffic could be mixed in with other data - for instance, sine functions, to 'widen the bellcurve', hide any weird statistical patterns. I can imagine that in the next ~150 years, the resolution of the average porn video will increase significantly, thus facilitiating the covert distribution of immense amounts of data.

Regarding the 'Blue Brigade': Personally I would prefer a more Liara-specific name - that could be for any Asari (though obviously Liara has the biggest fanbase). Something like "Team T'Soni", which has the alliterative appeal.

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 21 avril 2011 - 09:51 .


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centauri2002 wrote...

And we shall be known as the Blue Brigade! :police:


Thats actually such a good name for Liara fans! :D

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I wish someone would do a Liara dialogue compilation :>

Modifié par kumquats, 21 avril 2011 - 09:57 .


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Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Ummm... as someone who romanced Liara but "ended" the romance in ME2 (mostly for RP reasons), I didn't think the conversation was that douchey. =/

And fwiw, I played as M!Shepard. I didn't see anything facepunch worthy about it, but ymmv.


I think it's just the back-and-forth that goes on which bugs me.

1. Kisses Liara after the SB fight
2. Walks away without talking about 'them'
3. Opts to remain friends when Liara asks if he wants to continue the relationship
4. Invites her back for drinks
5. Calls it a date

Any 2-3 of those would be alright, but all 5 just strike me as wishy-washy and kind of dickish.

Wanna break it off?  Fine, but don't beat around the bush, and don't string her along.  Not saying you did any of those things, I'm talking to blondie in the vid.

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Meta Ray Mek wrote...

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What do you mean? Shepard mentions the ME2 LI he's with?


No, this is a Shep who romanced Liara in ME1 and nobody in ME2.  You should watch the clip.  It's not that bad, other than feeling an overwhelming urge to punch the guy in the face as many times as it takes.


Ummm... as someone who romanced Liara but "ended" the romance in ME2 (mostly for RP reasons), I didn't think the conversation was that douchey. =/

And fwiw, I played as M!Shepard. I didn't see anything facepunch worthy about it, but ymmv.


Blue Brigade - chaaaaarge! :police:

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@emmanuel - Thank you for the writeup! I'm actually going to need some of that knowledge for the next fic I'm writing. Where'd you get your info on quantum-entanglement communicators?

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kumquats wrote...

I wish someone would do a Liara dialogue compilation :>


I'll add it to my list of videos to make! :D

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TheMarshal wrote...

@emmanuel - Thank you for the writeup! I'm actually going to need some of that knowledge for the next fic I'm writing. Where'd you get your info on quantum-entanglement communicators?


There are a few throwaway lines after one of the Illusive Man conversations, as I recall. It might be with EDI. The design of routing protocols for a strictly point-to-point network is my analysis.

If you have any questions regarding design of SB ship/communication network/etc please send me a PM as I enjoy doing this kind of thing.

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JiGsAw2453 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I wish someone would do a Liara dialogue compilation :>


I'll add it to my list of videos to make! :D


Yay :o

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@emmanuelsieys

Nothing with the word "Team" in it. For the love of all the blueness, no "Team" anything. :|

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kumquats wrote...

JiGsAw2453 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I wish someone would do a Liara dialogue compilation :>


I'll add it to my list of videos to make! :D


Yay :o


Getting new 1080p capture equipment, so I am making loads more videos... Including another Liara tribute video for Centauri... May as well make this one for you! :D

Modifié par JiGsAw2453, 21 avril 2011 - 10:21 .


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It's Blue Brigade, gosh darn it!

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centauri2002 wrote...

It's Blue Brigade, gosh darn it!


I was thinking something like "Liara's Miserables" (french pronunciation).

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centauri2002 wrote...

It's Blue Brigade, gosh darn it!


Well... I'm voting this! :P

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We're not miserable as long as we have Liara. :D

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What about "Eternity Embracers"? Blue Brigades sounds like we are cops.

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steph285 wrote...

What about "Eternity Embracers"?


To obvious and doesn't flow very easily.

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steph285 wrote...

What about "Eternity Embracers"? Blue Brigades sounds like we are cops.


We're policing those being douches to Liara, so it's fitting! ;)

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I understand the need for flow but what's wrong with obvious?

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

It's Blue Brigade, gosh darn it!


I was thinking something like "Liara's Miserables" (french pronunciation).


How are we miserable?! O.o. :P

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Yeah, I hate seeing those bit. I'm playing a pure renegade playthrough of ME1 right now to finish achievements, and I really hate that Shepard can make her cry because she doesn't know how to talk to people.


Wait, what?  I've gone through all the Renegade stuff with Liara in ME1 and I don't recall her crying.

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JiGsAw2453 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

It's Blue Brigade, gosh darn it!


I was thinking something like "Liara's Miserables" (french pronunciation).


How are we miserable?! O.o. :P


It's a literary reference.

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I can see a scenario where somebody is play lotsb and is at the point where you have to chose to get back together with liara or staying friends. He/she moves the courser to the the stay friends and is about to click it when suddenly men with blue SWAT gear and weapons with the initials "B.B" on their chests burst through the door and reppal through the window. Yelling:
"Blue Brigades!! Your hands away from the mouse and Step away from the computer!! Nobody damns Liara when we are on patrol!"

That would look great on a comic or video though I haven't the skill to do either.

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steph285 wrote...

I can see a scenario where somebody is play lotsb and is at the point where you have to chose to get back together with liara or staying friends. He/she moves the courser to the the stay friends and is about to click it when suddenly men with blue SWAT gear and weapons with the initials "B.B" on their chests burst through the door and reppal through the window. Yelling:
"Blue Brigades!! Your hands away from the mouse and Step away from the computer!! Nobody damns Liara when we are on patrol!"

That would look great on a comic or video though I haven't the skill to do either.


Haha. :P That sounds awesome! :D

I make videos all the time, I'll see what I can do. :)

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Make that women and you've got yourself a perfect scene! ;)