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[bjdbwea]

JediMB wrote...

Lair of the Shadow Broker has made me realize that ME3 would probably be best off if no new love interests are introduced in the game. Better to just keep the ones from ME1 and 2 around for further development, and let Shepard focus mostly on saving the galaxy.

That would already have been the best for ME 2. If this was supposed to be a trilogy, no important characters should have been sidetracked like the ME 1 LIs were. The crew should have remained more or less the same in ME 2. It would have been okay to add a few new companions, maybe two of them romancable. And since there was apparently a demand for a romance with Garrus and Tali, that could have been added as well. But this amount of new companions, together with the sidetracking of the previous companions, was always a bad and completely unnecessary idea. But now I suspect that it had mostly to do with the PS 3 version that they were planning already.

Ultimately, though, for us Liara fans, it was probably better this way. The romantic content in LotSB is probably much better than it would have been if she had been just another one of the ME 2 companions.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 décembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[JediMB]

bjdbwea wrote...

JediMB wrote...

Lair of the Shadow Broker has made me realize that ME3 would probably be best off if no new love interests are introduced in the game. Better to just keep the ones from ME1 and 2 around for further development, and let Shepard focus mostly on saving the galaxy.

That would already have been the best for ME 2. If this was supposed to be a trilogy, no important characters should have been sidetracked like the ME 1 LIs were. The crew should have remained more or less the same in ME 2.

I actually sort of like how ME2 has handled things, now that LotSB is out. After everything that happened in ME1, Shepard was pretty much excluded from the world s-/he truly belonged in, and had to find different allies to get the job done. I absolutely love all the colorful characters ME2 introduced. As this happened, Shepard had options to either abandon aspects of his/her old life, or stay true to them despite seemingly playing for a different team.

I found the reward to be awfully sweet when my Shepard stayed faithful to Liara throughout ME2, despite that the character didn't seem to have anything to look forward to in her old life. I expect the same thing to eventually become true for Shepards who stay faithful to Kaidan or Ashley. But then I'm also as intrigued by the thought of explaining to Ashley how my MaleShep went from her to a mentally unstable biotic, or my first FemShep explaining her fling with Kelly to Kaidan.

ME3, to me, seems like the game where the two "worlds" of ME1 and ME2 will become one, and the important characters from both games will band together for that common goal. Issues between the two must be resolved, etc., and then an epic final battle followed by happily ever afters and blue kids.

[TheMarshal]

I wish that I had picked up ME2 (and of course ME1) before LotSB came out. I was halfway through ME2 when I learned about it and downloaded/played through it immediately. I was actually already on Ilium at the time and had just finished Liara's quests, so it technically "fit", but I think it would have been more gratifying if I had already done the SM. Now I'm gonna have to deal with receiving that message and then sitting on it until after I beat the collectors...

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'm yet to have Liara explain the story behind her rescuing Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker at the beginning of LotSB, as I always finish the Observer sidequest. I think I'll do things differently when I next play through ME2.

I think you can complete the Observer quest...just don't ask her about her 'Anger towards the Shadow Broker'.  You'll then miss her explanation of how she got your body and the 'Couldn't let you go' line but I think you'll hear her explanation in LotSB.

I'm doing this my current playthrough.

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

Ultimately, though, for us Liara fans, it was probably better this way. The romantic content in LotSB is probably much better than it would have been if she had been just another one of the ME 2 companions.

Absolutely.

Which is why I don't expect as much romantic content for Liara in ME3, with eight other romances from previous games, plus the new ones (we know there will be new ones).

[LiquidGrape]

jlb524 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Ultimately, though, for us Liara fans, it was probably better this way. The romantic content in LotSB is probably much better than it would have been if she had been just another one of the ME 2 companions.

Absolutely.

Which is why I don't expect as much romantic content for Liara in ME3, with eight other romances from previous games, plus the new ones (we know there will be new ones).

I'm not sure about that...I mean, Liara has by far had the most impactful role of any previous squad mate in the series. It wouldn't make sense to downplay that role for the final chapter...
My fear is that all the previous squaddies will be rendered non-squad NPC's in ME3, to account for all the variables in who survives and who doesn't. That in turn could possibly have a negative effect on all previous romances...

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 18 décembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[jlb524]

It's likely she will have more content than the ME2 squad mates. I think I mean it won't be like LotSB where it's one of the main focuses of the DLC. It will be more spread out, so to speak.

[TMA LIVE]

Yeah, I hate sitting on the data. The fact that you have to pretend you don't have it is just horrible. Because if you don't, it more of seems like this:

Shepard: (Cerberus data in hand) Hey Liara, how you doing?

Liara: I'm sorry, Shepard. I'm too busy to talk. I need to destroy the Shadow Broker.

Shepard: Hmm, I don't like your attitude, missy. Maybe I'll just... come back later.

(7 months later)

Shepard: Hmmm... Got nothing to do.... Well, I still got that Cerberus data. Maybe I'll go visit Liara.

(1 day after Lair of the Shadow Broker)

Feron: Ahh, man... Those guys really hit me hard for the last 7 months. I can barely feel my legs. If only you came sooner.

Shepard: Yeah... I'm sorry we couldn't come sooner....

Feron: No, no! It's alright. It's not your fault. It's just that... if you guys came sooner... I might have still been able to have children...

Shepard: Yeah...

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 18 décembre 2010 - 06:46 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, the fact that you have to role play it, and sit on that information till the end is horrible. If you don't pretend you don't have it, it more of seems like this:

Shepard: (Cerberus data in hand) Hey Liara, how's it going?

Liara: I'm sorry, Shepard. I'm too busy to talk. I need to destroy the Shadow Broker.

Shepard: Hmm, I don't like your attitude, missy. Maybe I'll just... come back later.

(7 months later)

Shepard: Hmmm, got nothing to do.... Well, I still got that Cerberus data. Maybe I'll go visit Liara.

(1 day after Lair of the Shadow Broker)

Feron: Ahh, man. Those guys really hit me hard for the last 7 months. I can barely feel my legs. If only you came sooner.

Shepard: Yeah... I'm sorry we couldn't come sooner....

Feron: No, no! It's alright. It's not your fault. It's just that... if you guys came sooner... I might have still been about to have children...

Shepard: Yeah...

Still. I just make my own canon and pretend that Shepard only recieves the intel when the Collectors have been dealt with.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Here is something I've just been thinking about with regards the whole LI thing.

Do you think she'll be an LI choice for non-romanced Sheps in ME3? (either default or import)



I just got thinking about it, because when ME2 came out and I first fired up a 'default' Shep, I found it intriguing that the VS was opposite sex, so this got it into my head that they were setting it up that in ME3 if you wanted you could probably have chance to LI either Liara or VS.



This then brings up the question of how they will handle the whole romance situation. Because I can't see them handling people who are coming into ME3 with a romance the same way they would someone just starting one, which is why I think ME and ME2 LI going to have the potential for more content, because the romance is already there.



I know people talk of Liara having more because she is the only one that can't die, but we haven't even had a VS DLC yet (will be surprised if we don't) and I can't see them saying "Oh well that ME2 squad person can die, so we'll not bother with their romance" because they know too well that most people if they get an ME2 LI will do their best to ensure they live, just like those who ensured their VS LI survived.



The thing is if they did allow for Liara/VS/any potential ME2 LI that survived to be romanceable for new/import sheps, that means 2 variants of the romance. Those that are already in it and those that are just starting out.



Anyway am really excited at moment as I know I am now just a month away from finally being able to witness the awesome that is LotSB Going to setup a PS3 shep that has Liara as LI hopefully sometime next year I'll be able to get my PC saves off my old HD and afford a new PC so I can get my default paragon Liara LI Shep through it too

[jlb524]

The VS is in a different position than the other ME2 romances as Ashley and Kaidan can be treated the same with regards to the plot (they are both the surviving Alliance soldier that ripped on you at Horizon). Of course, their character dialog and romance dialog would differ, but they can both fit one role in the game, and at least one is guaranteed to be there. The same really can't be said for the ME2 LIs.



This is why I expect that Liara and the VS will probably have more romance content in ME3. They will be more plot important characters (and supposedly they were being saved in ME2 just for this) which usually leads to also having more romance content, or romance content that's tied more into the story (See Alistair/Morrigan vs. Leliana/Zevran in DA:O).



They may allow you to romance these characters anew in ME3. Funny though, you couldn't start a fresh Liara romance in LotSB, and there was no hint of it even being a possibility in the future. If they do, the cynical part of me doesn't think that it will be much different from the continuing romance. Well, the dialog may differ, but the dialog will happen at the same time and the same places in game and both will probably get a similar-styled 'love scene' (perhaps with a few lines of dialog that are different).

[Jean]

The other edit is located in the opening act of Mass Effect 2. The
character you romanced in the first game (Liara, Ashley or Kaidan)
normally runs up to you for a short scene, but in the PS3 version it's
always the same – Liara. If you start up a new save in Mass Effect 2 on
the Xbox 360, the game makes a decision for you and chooses either
Kaidan or Ashley (depending on if you choose female or male Shepard).
The explanation is simple: you're actually able to pick who you want to
romance in the comic section, so the game doesn't make an assumption
based on your gender anymore.

uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1140265p1.html

What do Liara fans think of this?

[TMA LIVE]

I hope there's a big difference between starting the relationship in ME3, and continuing it. Like say, one is just getting together, and the other you propose marriage.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

They may allow you to romance these characters anew in ME3. Funny though, you couldn't start a fresh Liara romance in LotSB, and there was no hint of it even being a possibility in the future. If they do, the cynical part of me doesn't think that it will be much different from the continuing romance. Well, the dialog may differ, but the dialog will happen at the same time and the same places in game and both will probably get a similar-styled 'love scene' (perhaps with a few lines of dialog that are different).

I could see this with Liara in fact and makes sense. Liara and Shepard are very close, out of all her/his friends, Liara has always been there, yes she gave the cold shoulder in ME2(without LotSB) but it makes sense given what is going on. I think that would be a good idea for bioware to do, as long a it does not cut into the other part of the romance that many of us love.

I would hate to have a reset

Modifié par Mr.House, 18 décembre 2010 - 07:52 .

[jlb524]

Batteries wrote...

The other edit is located in the opening act of Mass Effect 2. The
character you romanced in the first game (Liara, Ashley or Kaidan)
normally runs up to you for a short scene, but in the PS3 version it's
always the same – Liara. If you start up a new save in Mass Effect 2 on
the Xbox 360, the game makes a decision for you and chooses either
Kaidan or Ashley (depending on if you choose female or male Shepard).
The explanation is simple: you're actually able to pick who you want to
romance in the comic section, so the game doesn't make an assumption
based on your gender anymore.

uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1140265p1.html

What do Liara fans think of this?

It makes sense, I guess.  I really don't have a problem with it, though, it was kind of cool that you only got to see Liara there if you did romance her.  Oh well, I won't play the PS3 version anyway.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

The other edit is located in the opening act of Mass Effect 2. The
character you romanced in the first game (Liara, Ashley or Kaidan)
normally runs up to you for a short scene, but in the PS3 version it's
always the same – Liara. If you start up a new save in Mass Effect 2 on
the Xbox 360, the game makes a decision for you and chooses either
Kaidan or Ashley (depending on if you choose female or male Shepard).
The explanation is simple: you're actually able to pick who you want to
romance in the comic section, so the game doesn't make an assumption
based on your gender anymore.

uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1140265p1.html

What do Liara fans think of this?

It makes sense, I guess.  I really don't have a problem with it, though, it was kind of cool that you only got to see Liara there if you did romance her.  Oh well, I won't play the PS3 version anyway.

Don't like that it's no longer an exclusive scene?

[jlb524]

Mr.House wrote...

I could see this with Liara in fact and makes sense. Liara and Shepard are very close, out of all her/his friends, Liara has always been there, yes she gave the cold shoulder in ME2(without LotSB) but it makes sense given what is going on. I think that would be a good idea for bioware to do, as long a it does not cut into the other part of the romance that many of us love.

I would hate to have a reset

As long as they don't reset the old romance, I'm fine with it.  I would be actually interested in playing the 'ME3 only' Liara romance.   I'd make a Shepard for it...someone who had cared for Liara but was too aftraid to get into a relationship with her (of some reason I can make up).  Shepard finally comes around in ME3 and lets herself feel for Liara, and then love her.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Don't like that it's no longer an exclusive scene?

I guess, but I'm not losing sleep over it.  Like I said, I'm not going to touch the PS3 version.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I could see this with Liara in fact and makes sense. Liara and Shepard are very close, out of all her/his friends, Liara has always been there, yes she gave the cold shoulder in ME2(without LotSB) but it makes sense given what is going on. I think that would be a good idea for bioware to do, as long a it does not cut into the other part of the romance that many of us love.

I would hate to have a reset

As long as they don't reset the old romance, I'm fine with it.  I would be actually interested in playing the 'ME3 only' Liara romance.   I'd make a Shepard for it...someone who had cared for Liara but was too aftraid to get into a relationship with her (of some reason I can make up).  Shepard finally comes around in ME3 and lets herself feel for Liara, and then love her.

Same here, if Bioware could do it without reseting the old romance and make both good I am all for it, I would make a new Shepard just too see how it goes.

Liara is Shepards BFF(or love of her life in some cases XD):happy:

[jlb524]

Yeah, and the two games of friendship with the last one involving the romance could be a more poignant relationship. Some couples just start out as really good friends before finally getting together. Also, there's the whole 'unrequited love' deal that ends with the love finally becoming realized. I tend to really like those stories.

[bjdbwea]

I think that realistically, we can and should be happy with ME 3 if the romantic content involving Liara is of the quality from ME 1 and LotSB. It was already visible in ME 2 that the writers were unfortunately constrained by time and other limits, and this doesn't seem to have changed much for ME 3 . So before they would write any parallel romance or friendship paths, they should and probably will make sure that the main romance path is as well written as it should be.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 décembre 2010 - 08:42 .