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centauri2002 wrote...
I'm not sure I want to see future releases with Liara in it. Sure, I'd quite like to see her again, but it's going to be so hard trying to keep her neutral to everyone's play through. Everyone will have constructed a slightly different version of Liara and the events in their games are going to be very different. Even set hundreds of years into the future, they're going to have affected her in some way. If it can be done, then sure, even if they allow you to make choices in how your Shepard is referenced within the game. It's likely she'll still think of her after all.

Bioware could have a small save-file import available once again. If only to provide a small change and aknowlegdement of hardcore fans choices and to keep up with the "Commander Shepard is whoever the player wants him/her to be". Even if the game won't be about Shepard (and I hope it wont be) the game would have a few changes as a small nod to the decisions we made!

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

Bioware could have a small save-file import available once again. If only to provide a small change and aknowlegdement of hardcore fans choices and to keep up with the "Commander Shepard is whoever the player wants him/her to be". Even if the game won't be about Shepard (and I hope it wont be) the game would have a few changes as a small nod to the decisions we made!

That's a great idea. Funnily enough, I didn't even think of it because I'm so used to fresh games starting over from scratch. We need more tie-ins like this!

So, say a new Mass Effect starring Liara was set three hundred years ahead of the original games, what kind of game would you like to see? And what would you like to see in it?

Personally, I'd like to be able to play as an asari. Other choices of race would also be nice but that's the one I want to go for. There was talk of a C-Sec game on the forums before and I still like that idea. You play as a C-Sec officer, investigating run-of-the-mill crimes, until things start to take a turn for the worst. Your choices in investigations can make an impact on the lives of those involves - some good, some bad. I just have a soft spot for investigation games though.

ETA: As the game unfolds, you get a few hints from an unknown source. You follow these clues and eventually uncover a nefarious plot. Something that could very well destroy the Citadel. You discover it's the Shadow Broker that has been dropping hints throughout the course of the game.

Modifié par centauri2002, 01 mai 2011 - 11:29 .

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centauri2002 wrote...
That's a great idea. Funnily enough, I didn't even think of it because I'm so used to fresh games starting over from scratch. We need more tie-ins like this!

So, say a new Mass Effect starring Liara was set three hundred years ahead of the original games, what kind of game would you like to see?

That is really hard to say. I can see Liara be in diffrent positions depending on the status of galactic society and Shepard.

Is Shepard dead? Then I could imagine her either staying as the SB or perhaps go into politics when she gets somewhat older (I am sure her actions in ME3 will clear her family name and give her loads and loads of prestige). Granted she could do the same things if Shepard was alive but then I would imagine her situation being slightly diffrent.

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I would also love a game where you play as a C-sec cop (and chose whatever race you want for that cop). A great way to tie in SB, Cerberus and high-ranking politicians.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 01 mai 2011 - 11:34 .

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

That is really hard to say. I can see Liara be in diffrent positions depending on the status of galactic society and Shepard.

Is Shepard dead? Then I could imagine her either staying as the SB or perhaps go into politics when she gets somewhat older (I am sure her actions in ME3 will clear her family name and give her loads and loads of prestige). Granted she could do the same things if Shepard was alive but then I would imagine her situation being slightly diffrent.

"EDIT"

I would also love a game where you play as a C-sec cop (and chose whatever race you want for that cop). A great way to tie in SB, Cerberus and high-ranking politicians.

If it's set three hundred years later, I think it's a fairly safe bet Shepard will be dead. 

The more I think about the C-Sec investigation idea, the more I like it. If they go the route of the asari main character, at least there'd be freedom to romance whoever the heck you wanted. But I think I'd prefer a choice of race, just to open up the roleplaying potential a bit. I can imagine the CSI jokes already (C-Sec Investigations).

BioWare: Feel free to take my idea and run with it. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 01 mai 2011 - 11:39 .

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centauri2002 wrote...

If it's set three hundred years later, I think it's a fairly safe bet Shepard will be dead. 

Lazarus project could possibly prove otherwise.

The more I think about the C-Sec investigation idea, the more I like it. If they go the route of the asari main character, at least there'd be freedom to romance whoever the heck you wanted. But I think I'd prefer a choice of race, just to open up the roleplaying potential a bit. I can imagine the CSI jokes already (C-Sec Investigations).

BioWare: Feel free to take my idea and run with it. 

I would always run around with a pair of cool looking sunglasses in my inventory and then wear them before entering a conversation (where I would pick the smart-ass attitude).

[kumquats]

Just imagin she meets this C-Sec officer and she has informations for her.
Liara doesn't need to tell a stranger all about her past relationships, she doesn't even have to tell this officer that she is the Shadow Broker. She could even introduce herself as Mrs. Normandy.

BUT, the player would know who Liara is and it would be a little connection to the old Mass Effect games.
Btw: C-Sec-Investigation oh yeah, I would play this game!

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kumquats wrote...

Just imagin she meets this C-Sec officer and she has informations for her.
Liara doesn't need to tell a stranger all about her past relationships, she doesn't even have to tell this officer that she is the Shadow Broker. She could even introduce herself as Mrs. Normandy.

It would be like Dragon age 2 with how Hawke interacts with the DA:O partymembers. If the main-character meets Liara they could have a dialog choice like "Hey! Didn't you help stop the Reapers?" or something to that effect, which DA2 did.

If Liara is the SB then our C-sec officer could have a chat with the SB (for information or because the cop knows something vital) and if he doesn't cooperate well enough or annoys Liara she could pull out the old "Have you ever faced an Asari commando unit before?".

[MGIII]

Everyone keeps screaming plot armor, but I cannot think of any situation Liara has been in where it was implausible for her to survive.

The only applicable plot armor I can think of in all of Mass Effect has been the Lazarus Project.

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MGIII wrote...

Everyone keeps screaming plot armor, but I cannot think of any situation Liara has been in where it was implausible for her to survive.

The only applicable plot armor I can think of in all of Mass Effect has been the Lazarus Project.

We say that Liara has plot-armor because no matter what, Liara is bound to be alive in ME3. Same with Shepard, VS, Joker and so on.

[Centauri2002]

MGIII wrote...

Everyone keeps screaming plot armor, but I cannot think of any situation Liara has been in where it was implausible for her to survive.

The only applicable plot armor I can think of in all of Mass Effect has been the Lazarus Project.

It's not so much about the situation she finds herself in in-game, but the fact that BioWare have arranged it so she hasn't been able to be killed off, whereas all other squad members have.

[Endurium]

Maybe it's because Liara's still a maiden, barely an adult in Asari terms - Bioware has a history of not allowing children to be killed. (I remember trying to CTRL+Y them in Baldur's Gate lol)

Of course, now that I think about that, it puts her romance in a somewhat different light.

Modifié par Endurium, 01 mai 2011 - 05:19 .

[Centauri2002]

Endurium wrote...

Maybe it's because Liara's still a maiden, barely an adult in Asari terms - Bioware has a history of not allowing children to be killed. (I remember trying to CTRL+Y them in Baldur's Gate lol)

While she's young, she's definitely not a child. I don't think BioWare are too keen on people being able to have sex with children either.

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Endurium wrote...

Maybe it's because Liara's still a maiden, barely an adult in Asari terms - Bioware has a history of not allowing children to be killed. (I remember trying to CTRL+Y them in Baldur's Gate lol)

Yeah! I remember how Tali could not be killed in the suicide mission.

Oh wait...

Of course, now that I think about that, it puts her romance in a somewhat different light.

"sigh" Liara is definetly not a child.

[kumquats]

MGIII wrote...

Everyone keeps screaming plot armor, but I cannot think of any situation Liara has been in where it was implausible for her to survive.

The only applicable plot armor I can think of in all of Mass Effect has been the Lazarus Project.

I don't know, she survived two assassins and a bomb. That's impressiv, but maybe it's because she is so awesome and doesn't need a plot armor

[Robhuzz]

kumquats wrote...

MGIII wrote...

Everyone keeps screaming plot armor, but I cannot think of any situation Liara has been in where it was implausible for her to survive.

The only applicable plot armor I can think of in all of Mass Effect has been the Lazarus Project.

I don't know, she survived two assassins and a bomb. That's impressiv, but maybe it's because she is so awesome and doesn't need a plot armor

It's because she enjoys The Maker's Shepard's Holy Protection. Anything under the personal protection of Shepard doesn't need additional plot armor.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 01 mai 2011 - 05:28 .

[Robhuzz]

Edit: Eugh double post

Modifié par Robhuzz, 01 mai 2011 - 05:28 .

[Endurium]

Oops I was trying to think like an Asari and referred to some of Liara's own words, and it appears I confused some short-lived humans.

[Centauri2002]

Endurium wrote...

Oops I was trying to think like an Asari and referred to some of Liara's own words, and it appears I confused some short-lived humans.

She referred to herself as "barely more than a child by asari standards" when trying to help humans understand her age. She doesn't call herself a child, and she's using a human concept of age as a parallel. Nothing more.

[MGIII]

centauri2002 wrote...

MGIII wrote...

Everyone keeps screaming plot armor, but I cannot think of any situation Liara has been in where it was implausible for her to survive.

The only applicable plot armor I can think of in all of Mass Effect has been the Lazarus Project.

It's not so much about the situation she finds herself in in-game, but the fact that BioWare have arranged it so she hasn't been able to be killed off, whereas all other squad members have.

So, because she's not able to go on the suicide mission, that's plot armor? I guess I can see the logic in that, but I still think it's hyperbole to call it plot armor.

Plot armor as I understand it is when characters survive or overcome situations that are impossible to deal with given the ability of the character in relation to the situation they find themselves in.

Usually retcons and deus ex machina. Such as the Lazarus Project.

[Centauri2002]

MGIII wrote...

So, because she's not able to go on the suicide mission, that's plot armor? I guess I can see the logic in that, but I still think it's hyperbole to call it plot armor.

Plot armor as I understand it is when characters survive or overcome situations that are impossible to deal with given the ability of the character in relation to the situation they find themselves in.

Usually retcons and deus ex machina. Such as the Lazarus Project.

I don't mean plot armour in that way, no. Obviously, her survival has been quite plausible within the confines of the story. I'm not saying it's unreasonable. It's just one of those oddities that point towards her importance within the sweeping plot. Or perhaps it's just a coincidence she's avoided it until now. I guess we'll find out in ME3. 

[MGIII]

centauri2002 wrote...

I don't mean plot armour in that way, no. Obviously, her survival has been quite plausible within the confines of the story. I'm not saying it's unreasonable. It's just one of those oddities that point towards her importance within the sweeping plot. Or perhaps it's just a coincidence she's avoided it until now. I guess we'll find out in ME3. 

It's definitely no coincidence that Liara is the de facto female lead in Mass Effect. Her mark on the continuity of the main plot of ME is unmistakable, and arguably just as integral as Shepard's actions. So, of course Bioware wants her in ME3. I don't really find that odd, but that's just me.

[TheMarshal]

Alright! Finally got all the revisions done, and a new chapter for A Good Night is up!

I did some major overhaul to the first four chapters, so you may want to go back and read them if you have time.

[Centauri2002]

MGIII wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I don't mean plot armour in that way, no. Obviously, her survival has been quite plausible within the confines of the story. I'm not saying it's unreasonable. It's just one of those oddities that point towards her importance within the sweeping plot. Or perhaps it's just a coincidence she's avoided it until now. I guess we'll find out in ME3. 

It's definitely no coincidence that Liara is the de facto female lead in Mass Effect. Her mark on the continuity of the main plot of ME is unmistakable, and arguably just as integral as Shepard's actions. So, of course Bioware wants her in ME3. I don't really find that odd, but that's just me.

The fact that she survives when everyone else can die, even Shepard. That I find a little odd. A good kind of odd, though. The question is whether BioWare make good use of that build up or it just fizzles out, as I've seen happen in other stories. 

ETA: Yay, Marshal. I'll go read when I have a good amount of time to myself. ^^

Modifié par centauri2002, 01 mai 2011 - 06:33 .

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centauri2002 wrote...
The fact that she survives when everyone else can die, even Shepard.

I know i'm being a jerk now but... GARGH! Shepard is dying is non-canon god-dammit! [nerd-rages and smashes keyboard]

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...
The fact that she survives when everyone else can die, even Shepard.

I know i'm being a jerk now but... GARGH! Shepard is dying is non-canon god-dammit! [nerd-rages and smashes keyboard]

Haha, yes, Lizard... it's non-canon.