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[TheMarshal]

@centauri - Did you play through ME2 before LotSB came out?

Modifié par TheMarshal, 05 mai 2011 - 08:17 .

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...

A good reason behind her behavior? Maybe, but I still think it's perfectly justified displaying som disbelief and concern when she tells Shepard that she had spendt her last two years getting revenge.

I never said it wasn't. 

I was just sharing my Shepard's view on it. My RenShep had a different view, however. >.>

@Marshal: Yep, I completed the entirety of ME2 months before LotSB ever came out.

Modifié par centauri2002, 05 mai 2011 - 08:17 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Lizardviking wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

My Shepard had faith in Liara and their bond! She was confused, sure, and a little upset but she just knew they'd be able to work things out. She knew there was a good reason behind Liara's behaviour, even if she didn't know what that reason was.

A good reason behind her behavior? Maybe, but I still think it's perfectly justified displaying som disbelief and concern when she tells Shepard that she had spendt her last two years getting revenge.

Interesting viewpoints.

I remember the first time I talked to her on Illium: I felt confused and maybe a little hurt that she was so cold and unpersonable.

I then had a thought. Bioware was doing this for one of 2 reasons.
1. It was simply poorly done (Like the VS on Horizon)
2. It was poorly done but they were going to fix it with a major DLC.
I am glad it was the second one.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 05 mai 2011 - 08:19 .

[TheMarshal]

I wonder if I'd be RP-ing it differently if I'd had to 'make peace' with how Liara was acting on Illium without the assistance of LotSB or Redemption. I got to Illium, and then the NEXT DAY I purchased LotSB, so the 'dust' never settled on that whole encounter for me. I RP that whole bit as something that's very difficult to get through, and it takes several weeks before my Shepard is able to even put it behind her, which she feels she needs to do because there are too many people counting on her for her to worry about personal attachments.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

TheMarshal wrote...

I wonder if I'd be RP-ing it differently if I'd had to 'make peace' with how Liara was acting on Illium without the assistance of LotSB or Redemption. I got to Illium, and then the NEXT DAY I purchased LotSB, so the 'dust' never settled on that whole encounter for me. I RP that whole bit as something that's very difficult to get through, and it takes several weeks before my Shepard is able to even put it behind her, which she feels she needs to do because there are too many people counting on her for her to worry about personal attachments.

Hmmm.
Well I played through ME2 the first few times in the whole March-July time frame.

I played it as a sort of "Damn...I guess she wants to put our relationship on hold for a....damn!" type of thing.

[Centauri2002]

TheMarshal wrote...

I wonder if I'd be RP-ing it differently if I'd had to 'make peace' with how Liara was acting on Illium without the assistance of LotSB or Redemption. I got to Illium, and then the NEXT DAY I purchased LotSB, so the 'dust' never settled on that whole encounter for me. I RP that whole bit as something that's very difficult to get through, and it takes several weeks before my Shepard is able to even put it behind her, which she feels she needs to do because there are too many people counting on her for her to worry about personal attachments.

I RP'd it basically as Shepard being thoroughly overwhelmed by everything that had happened to her. It's also a way of me explaining her lack of emotion in regards to her own death. So much has happened and she's having a hard time processing it so she's focusing on what she does best - the mission. As such, she has to rely on the trust she and Liara had in one another before her death. To her, that was just a week or so prior, so she has a hard time understanding that could change. So, to her, Liara must have good reasons for distancing herself.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
I remember the first time I talked to her on Illium: I felt confused and maybe a little hurt that she was so cold and unpersonable.

I then had a thought. Bioware was doing this for one of 2 reasons.
1. It was simply poorly done (Like the VS on Horizon)
2. It was poorly done but they were going to fix it with a major DLC.
I am glad it was the second one.

I also felt confused and hurt the first time I played through the game, given how cold and distant she acted. Even through I got the "I couldn't let you go" I still had this sense of "Is there anything left? Are things over between Liara and Shepard?" I even gave in to temptation and tried to romance Samara (made a save before I did it through!). ME2 maingame did definetly feel like Shepard's lonely chapter.

When I got the picture scene however, my faith in Liara was restored 100%.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

After reading the PC gamer scans.

"If you werent faithful, thats going to come to a head at the worst possible time"

Anyone else getting concerned by this line? Sounds like Liara might suddenly go axe crazy and do something that will undermine the war effort because Shepard moved on. Despite handling it pretty maturely in LOTSB. <_<

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

After reading the PC gamer scans.

"If you werent faithful, thats going to come to a head at the worst possible time"

Anyone else getting concerned by this line? Sounds like Liara might suddenly go axe crazy and do something that will undermine the war effort because Shepard moved on. Despite handling it pretty maturely in LOTSB. <_<

I believe an uppance is a-comin! 

I am VERY interested to see how they're going to handle the 'unfaithful'.  Not so interested as to try it out myself, mind you...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...
I believe an uppance is a-comin! 

I am VERY interested to see how they're going to handle the 'unfaithful'.  Not so interested as to try it out myself, mind you...

I smell Liara-character-derailment.

[thebrute7]

Lizardviking wrote...

After reading the PC gamer scans.

"If you werent faithful, thats going to come to a head at the worst possible time"

Anyone else getting concerned by this line? Sounds like Liara might suddenly go axe crazy and do something that will undermine the war effort because Shepard moved on. Despite handling it pretty maturely in LOTSB. <_<

I think it was referring specifically to Kaidan/Ashley not Liara.  She seemed to deal with "moving on" pretty maturely in LotSB.

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

I smell Liara-character-derailment.

Hey, it ain't gonna be my Liara!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I smell Liara-character-derailment.

Hey, it ain't gonna be my Liara!

Doesn't matter. Her having the possibility of doing something stupid and petty like that is insulting to the character we know.

[Centauri2002]

Lizardviking wrote...
Doesn't matter. Her having the possibility of doing something stupid and petty like that is insulting to the character we know.

I wouldn't worry too much over it. I don't think it'll come to any bunny boiler moments. 

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
I remember the first time I talked to her on Illium: I felt confused and maybe a little hurt that she was so cold and unpersonable.

I then had a thought. Bioware was doing this for one of 2 reasons.
1. It was simply poorly done (Like the VS on Horizon)
2. It was poorly done but they were going to fix it with a major DLC.
I am glad it was the second one.

I also felt confused and hurt the first time I played through the game, given how cold and distant she acted. Even through I got the "I couldn't let you go" I still had this sense of "Is there anything left? Are things over between Liara and Shepard?" I even gave in to temptation and tried to romance Samara (made a save before I did it through!). ME2 maingame did definetly feel like Shepard's lonely chapter.

When I got the picture scene however, my faith in Liara was restored 100%.

Grunt has Liara to thank for his being released.

After Shep's encounter with Liara the 1st time on Illium, Shep was confused and really hurt. So she went straight back to the Normandy, downed half a bottle of whiskey in her cabin, started to really steam about Liara's coldness and thought, "I'll show you Ms T'Soni!" 

She stormed down to Grunt's tank, stood in front of that tank seeing Liara in place of Grunt and set the krogan loose. I know, crazy.

Once Grunt dropped out of the tank though, Shep quickly sobered up and thought "Crap!"

[thebrute7]

PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
I remember the first time I talked to her on Illium: I felt confused and maybe a little hurt that she was so cold and unpersonable.

I then had a thought. Bioware was doing this for one of 2 reasons.
1. It was simply poorly done (Like the VS on Horizon)
2. It was poorly done but they were going to fix it with a major DLC.
I am glad it was the second one.

I also felt confused and hurt the first time I played through the game, given how cold and distant she acted. Even through I got the "I couldn't let you go" I still had this sense of "Is there anything left? Are things over between Liara and Shepard?" I even gave in to temptation and tried to romance Samara (made a save before I did it through!). ME2 maingame did definetly feel like Shepard's lonely chapter.

When I got the picture scene however, my faith in Liara was restored 100%.

Grunt has Liara to thank for his being released.

After Shep's encounter with Liara the 1st time on Illium, Shep was confused and really hurt. So she went straight back to the Normandy, downed half a bottle of whiskey in her cabin, started to really steam about Liara's coldness and thought, "I'll show you Ms T'Soni!" 

She stormed down to Grunt's tank, stood in front of that tank seeing Liara in place of Grunt and set the krogan loose. I know, crazy.

Once Grunt dropped out of the tank though, Shep quickly sobered up and thought "Crap!"

With the release of Arrival, I am trying to decide whether to put it before or after the suicide mission and LotSB for my head-canon.  It would totally fit my Shepard for him to leave after their initial reunion, go on a crazy-ass suicide mission, then find out the Reapers are coming and not think twice about killing 300,000 batarians for the greater good because he's reverted to his pre-Liara personality.

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

After reading the PC gamer scans.

"If you werent faithful, thats going to come to a head at the worst possible time"

Anyone else getting concerned by this line? Sounds like Liara might suddenly go axe crazy and do something that will undermine the war effort because Shepard moved on. Despite handling it pretty maturely in LOTSB. <_<

Between the VS and Liara .. Liara would have more motive to retaliate if you cheated on her .....

1) Stood by as you killed her mother. (relationship breaker for me)
2) Didn't bat an eye when Shep said three-some. (what?)
3) Battled lions, tigers & bears to get your dead remains. (wouldn't even go there)
4) Dedicated the last 2 years to destroy the person responsible for trying to sell your remains. (nope)

Am I missing anything in the game? I have added things but they are part of my persoanl game play.

Not saying that Kaiden or Ashley haven't suffered (I like them both) but Liara just seems to have more reasons to hunt you down, slash your tires and punch you in the face. But since I have only one Shepard (my main Shep) that romanced Liara, I am good. No cheating happened, thank God!

[PMC65]

thebrute7 wrote...

With the release of Arrival, I am trying to decide whether to put it before or after the suicide mission and LotSB for my head-canon.  It would totally fit my Shepard for him to leave after their initial reunion, go on a crazy-ass suicide mission, then find out the Reapers are coming and not think twice about killing 300,000 batarians for the greater good because he's reverted to his pre-Liara personality.

If you have a mission or action that seems more "on the edge" then after that 1st meet up for me would work. Letting that tank bred krogan out was pure crazy since Shep is letting it loose in a close quarter setting.

Arrival fits after the SM to me but to be honest I have only played it once. It was my last thing to complete and the mission left Shepard pissed. At least with Grunt there was a good thing that came out of Shep's actions. If you don't count the bruised ribs that left her breathing a little tough for a couple weeks. Dr. Chakwas was not impressed!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...
Grunt has Liara to thank for his being released.

After Shep's encounter with Liara the 1st time on Illium, Shep was confused and really hurt. So she went straight back to the Normandy, downed half a bottle of whiskey in her cabin, started to really steam about Liara's coldness and thought, "I'll show you Ms T'Soni!" 

She stormed down to Grunt's tank, stood in front of that tank seeing Liara in place of Grunt and set the krogan loose. I know, crazy.

Once Grunt dropped out of the tank though, Shep quickly sobered up and thought "Crap!"

How did your Shepard manage to mistake Grunt for Liara?

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Grunt has Liara to thank for his being released.

After Shep's encounter with Liara the 1st time on Illium, Shep was confused and really hurt. So she went straight back to the Normandy, downed half a bottle of whiskey in her cabin, started to really steam about Liara's coldness and thought, "I'll show you Ms T'Soni!" 

She stormed down to Grunt's tank, stood in front of that tank seeing Liara in place of Grunt and set the krogan loose. I know, crazy.

Once Grunt dropped out of the tank though, Shep quickly sobered up and thought "Crap!"

How did your Shepard manage to mistake Grunt for Liara?

Half a bottle of Batarian Whiskey! Damn those batarians!

[PMC65]

PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Grunt has Liara to thank for his being released.

After Shep's encounter with Liara the 1st time on Illium, Shep was confused and really hurt. So she went straight back to the Normandy, downed half a bottle of whiskey in her cabin, started to really steam about Liara's coldness and thought, "I'll show you Ms T'Soni!" 

She stormed down to Grunt's tank, stood in front of that tank seeing Liara in place of Grunt and set the krogan loose. I know, crazy.

Once Grunt dropped out of the tank though, Shep quickly sobered up and thought "Crap!"

How did your Shepard manage to mistake Grunt for Liara?

Half a bottle of Batarian Whiskey! Damn those batarians!

I tink that Shepard was almost half hoping that the tank-bred krogan would beat her to death ... a suicidal moment, maybe. But once the tank opened and Grunt was freed.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...

I tink that Shepard was almost half hoping that the tank-bred krogan would beat her to death ... a suicidal moment, maybe. But once the tank opened and Grunt was freed.

Gee. Whats up with all those suicidal moments? 

What happend to "Emotional distanting and focused on the job"?

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

Gee. Whats up with all those suicidal moments? 

What happend to "Emotional distanting and focused on the job"?

Alice can do both!  : P

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I tink that Shepard was almost half hoping that the tank-bred krogan would beat her to death ... a suicidal moment, maybe. But once the tank opened and Grunt was freed.

Gee. Whats up with all those suicidal moments? 

What happend to "Emotional distanting and focused on the job"?

LOL!!! Chasing reapers a job? I think Shepard needs a new career.

And my main Shepard, after Mindoir, is an absolute emotional mess. Why Liara is even with her is beyond me, in fact I had planned on her not having a romance. But that stubborn Asari ....

[TMA LIVE]

So it seems, besides Wrex, the whole ME1 team is back together in ME3.